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Security Police in Unmarked Cars
I have been waiting to see if anyone would start a conversation on the unmarked security force and the unmarked cars in Portland, OR. This is reminiscent of Nazi Germany.
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Portland, Or is an embarrassment to our country.
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Unmarked police cars are common in every state in the union and have been for the last 70 years. It's damn hard to conduct a stakeout in standard state troopers car.
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No different than any other location where there are unmarked police/enforcement agencies.
Let them use what ever tools or not that allow them to catch the looters/rioters/thugs/killers! No BS about rights violations needed. Just get the bad folks!! |
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Steve |
Sitting at the keyboard and intellectualizing the issue is easy....no investment in the reality!!!!
When they are breaking down your doors and windows one's perspective changes quickly. |
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If that's what you're saying it's wrong, but I would need to see a lot of evidence that that is happening. |
And how is burning cars, businesses,
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The police are doing their jobs.... |
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Thanks for thread.................good discussion. |
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If people break the law and destroy and loot this is a great way to scoop them up and send them off to jail. |
Should we call in a social worker ??
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And mass arrests WITHOUT bail for those destroying property and NOT demonstrating peacefully might start sending a message .. This shouldnt be confused with a police state, this should be a demonstration of law and order .. To protect public and private property from destruction and return law and order .. Yes violence often begets violence to get things under control .. and its well overdue . Violate laws and disrespect property and desecrate monuments .. you get what you came for .. and community service sentences (in addition to jail time) should include cleaning up and paying for the mess they created .. The federal government, our tax dollars, should not pay for clean up caused by sissy mayors .. |
I guess the only way that Law enforcement can do their jobs without being attacked is undercover. If that's what it takes, go for it. Those opposed can put on a uniform and jump in the middle of the protesters. See how that works out for you.
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[QUOTE=Madelaine Amee;1806587]I have been waiting to see if anyone would start a conversation on the unmarked security force and the unmarked cars in Portland, OR. This is reminiscent of Nazi Germany.[/QUOTE
No relationship to Nazi Germany. However, not using these appropriate methods is reminiscent of cartel ran Mexico. |
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If they need to pull out their guns to do so and perhaps shoot a few criminals so be it. |
These forces are not local unmarked police. They are camouflaged federal Homeland Security forces that were not invited by the local government into Portland. Soon they are supposed to be deployed to Chicago and other big cities without invitation by the local governments.
I have no doubt that unless this is stopped in the courts, these squads will be showing up on November 3rd in mostly minority neighborhoods to ensure "free and fair" elections. Sad that we have learned nothing from Italy and Germany of the 1920s and 1930s, and the rise of authoritarianism in modern day Europe. |
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Either from surveillance of drug traffickers on the street completing deals or by an undercover officer making a buy our team would rapidly swoop in on our suspect(s), arrest and handcuff them and put them into unmarked cars, and disappear from the scene of the arrest as fast as we came in. This method was surgical and most people on the street did not know this even happened. Very effective to not disturb the flow of the street. If executed correctly this was done in less than a minute or two before we left the scene. These tactics were challenged in court. Every level of court appeal found no issues with this and the SCOTUS declined to overturn the Appeals Court. Like I said not new and court sanctioned. Also as an aside, you did not need to immediately Mirandize the suspect, unless you were to question them. It all depended on the circumstances if you did it in the car or at the cop shop. |
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In Portland, and perhaps soon to other cities, there are unnamed persons dressed in camo carrying weapons. They are not the forces of the city, county or the state. These persons wear no identifying insignias nor any name tags. They are driving vans apparently rented. They are grabbing people walking down the street not committing any crime. These citizens are not advised of their rights, they are not given any information on who is dragging them off the streets. Essentially they are being kidnapped by unknown persons who refuse to identify themselves.
None of them have ever been given a name. None have been charged with a crime. All have been taken to an unknown site, questioned and released. That is NOT how police work. This is not a regular cop in an unmarked car wearing a name tag and a camera. These are not LEO's protecting a building, they are out in the street. If you are paying attention you have already seen the video of a 50 yo Navy veteran who went to Portland to speak to these persons and when he approached them he was beaten and had his hand broken. He was doing nothing but talking to them. He was beaten. He was beaten. This is an apt comparison to Germany in 1936. Watch the video. See what the man does. He is standing in the street in front of some unknown military talking. I don't care if he is cursing their mothers. He is not a threat. He is beaten and pepper sprayed. He does not resist. He never makes a threatening move. He is not endangering property. He is not raping anyone. He is not throwing any bombs. He is not destroying a statue. He is not, god forbid, producing graffiti. He is peacefully protesting and for that he is assaulted by somebody who is there contrary to the wishes of the mayor and the governor of Portland. Stormtrooper tactics. If you saw a video of Chinese military doing this to peaceful protestors in Hong Kong you would be horrified and rightly so. Apply that same outrage to whomever is ordering this outrage in this country. |
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There is nothing I like about the hateful groups that gather. I think they are dangerous mobs. Marching is a euphemism for gathering with like minded people who are gonna get madder and break something and burn something. None of them are people I respect. If it takes a baton, well .... I think no matter what happens later this year, there really won't be a winner. |
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Actually more should be done to stop the crazy destruction these Rioters cause in the name of a cause with no regard or respect for Law and Order. Portland is an embarrassment! Defund the police is an insane idea that would turn the country into an even more lawless society where the rioting groups can demand whatever they feel serves their needs and their lawless actions become an acceptable norm. I think its time for people like me who: served their country, are proud of their country and believe its the best country, were brought up respecting Law and Order (resolving issues appropriately), to become more vocal in their beliefs. |
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Apparently you and other posters have fallen into the illusory truth effect "... have a tendency to believe something is true after being exposed to it multiple times. The more times we've heard something, the truer it seems. The effect is so powerful that repetition can persuade us to believe information we know is false in the first place. No proof, at all, indicates the Federal officers did not engage in the precise policing actions I related in my first post. Nothing I say will ever convince you that you or the others here could be wrong. Thanks for the post though. -out! |
I'm not doing anything illegal, so unmarked officers, unmarked cars, unmarked _____ doesn't bother me.
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As father used to say when I was a kid, and came home with a bloody nose, "If you are going to dish it out, you beter learn to take it!"
No one forced the rioters/demonstrators to be on the streets. |
Do the rioters ware a uniform identifying themselves, where they are from and who funded their trip? I thought not. Maybe they should ware something with a bank account # to pay for all of their destruction. Only fair for police to also be unidentified.
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Lie in wait, taking lives, ruining lives, destroying property....anonymous COWARDS!!!! Cuff 'em and jail 'em........treat them like war criminals until proven other wise....figure out later who they are. We are long past the time to restore law and order...thanks to the spineless politicians and special interest groups that dictate to them. |
It's not just BLM at these......um........"protests". ANTIFA is there in force and they are deemed a terrorist organization, hence the Feds involvement I would think.
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If the reports are correct, should we have just allowed the protesters take over the Court House? Like Seattle? |
If a Federal Building is being attacked shouldn't it be a Federal Security Agency the ones to protect it, Mayor should haves NO SAY?
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When a person walks up to people who are obviously in authority and antagonizes them and this person is a big guy and wearing a shirt that says Navy.( Does that really mean he was a veteran??? Maybe, Maybe not) I don't know. I have to rely on what people tell me and not too many veterans flip the bird at someone who is sent to keep order and is identified by a patch that says police and is wearing fatigues.
Those guys who had the batons were in the midst of an out of control crowd and they were sent to restore order and they were issued those batons. They just didn't amass themselves together and try to beat up the protestors. I would have to think that the guy in the Navy shirt really yelled awful things at them and kept walking toward them advancing on them and to me the guys in the fatigues represent authority. They represent parents and teachers and bosses and laws that say when a police officer says stop, STOP. I wonder why I feel so strongly and this whole conversation has made me boiling mad almost to tears. Perhaps because I do believe in the laws of this land and I do think that most police officers are in the right. |
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By the way. You certainly can use Google to prove to yourself that the man beaten while standing in the street talking at the troops is a Navy vet. I won't post a link. I support peaceful protest. I support good policing. I reject violent protest and I also reject violent policing. But I also hold the police to at least the same standard as a protestor. Hit someone standing there talking with a baton.. go to jail. Kidnap someone, I don't care what color clothes the person is wearing, go to jail. Kneel on someone's neck until they stop moving.. go to jail. |
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