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Does The Villages Lie to potential buyers?
In another thread a person suggested they were lied to about whether people under 55 could reside. That got me looking at the FAQ on Developer's website
FAQ | The Villages While they don't exactly lie, they certainly get right up to the edge of lying. It makes me wonder why they bothered to post a FAQ if they didn't want to give a truly honest answer. The only possible reason is to mislead with a misleading answer. You think you've learned something about TV, but you've not had your question answered the way I believe it should be answered. Maybe I'm wrong about that... Examples: Does TV have their own Police Department? We all know the honest answer is NO. Is that the answer the FAQ gives? It is not. It gives a weasel answer that strongly suggests that the answer is yes.. Quote:
Is The Villages a city or a town? The honest answer is NO. There is no citizen elected government in control. For good or for bad we are residents of a privately held corporation that sets the rules. Quote:
Even a simple question which is easily fact checked How far is TV from Orlando? Quote:
From Brownwood to MCO is 60 miles, to the Premium Outlet which you see from the Turnpike exit is 51 miles. From Lake Sumter Landing add 6 miles, from Fenney Grill it is 49 miles to the Outlet. I don't know why TV chose 45 miles as the distance from TV to Orlando for the FAQ, but it is a less than honest answer. If you just use Google and enter distance from The Villages to Orlando it gives 61.3 miles. That would have been an honest answer, or even round down to 60. Weasel answers do not make The Villages look honest and trustworthy in their approach to potential buyers. How about giving a forthright answer rather than one which is as close to a lie as you can get without crossing the line? |
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. . ...OK That Does it for us!!!! The Developer LIES!!! We KNEW IT! Thanks for this. With this understanding we plan to list our TV home we built in 2013 - and get the HEXX out of this city...I mean town...'privately held corporation that sets the rules'. All this time we thought the TV Police were protecting us - NO. And all this time we thought our car's odometer was 'off' when driving to Orlando. We do not want to live in a city...town...'privately held corporation that sets the rules' that weasels in their communication to potential buyers. We've had enough of this. Anyone want a TV house?... . . . Quote:
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While we are all or supposed to be all socially distancing we have too much time on our hands and happy to look at all posts and feel free to skip past ones of no interest. |
Oh My God they told me 45 miles to Orlando and now I find its 61.3, I don’t know where I’ll find the time or gas money to go there
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When you are selling an item you present it in it's best light. Selling things is what a lot of people do for a living. There is no shame to it. I really get annoyed at certain folks and groups always thinking they are superior to people who work for big companies like The Villages. Maybe that is not what this post is about but it seems that the developer is no different than the local grocer. He doesn't say good morning Mrs. Jones. "You need to buy our banana's they are about to go bad." And the pediatrician...he doesn't say "Karen Kay is way too fat and it's all your fault". It is how you say stuff, and it is how you are raised to be skeptical and question things. There is a poster who will post a query that deliberately misleads in order to make his point. Not nice. Not fair. I can tell you with authority we aren't born with the same level of intelligence, but I believe most of us are still valuable. Tricking people is not what I think the developer is doing. He is presenting something for sale. Caveat Emptor. |
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This is my favorite FAQ.
"While The Villages is a 55+ active adult community we welcome children and grandchildren. In fact we offer (year round) intergenerational activities called “Camp Villages”, allowing grandparents and grandchildren to experience together all the lifestyle The Villages has to offer. There is a 30 consecutive day limit for visitors under the age of 18." Note: "There is a 30 day consecutive day time limit for visitors under the age of 18." which I interpret as 17 and under. It is certainly not 19 and under. Also if the visitor leaves for a day and returns does he get another 30 days to stay? Can he keep doing this? |
In the local rag a couple of weeks ago, the developer was quoted as describing TV as "a collection of quaint villages".
I guess quaintness is in the eye of the beholder. |
TV Town or City?
I remember reading somewhere that as early America expanded to the West the Post Office, (Pony Express?) considered an official Town requirement of needing a House of Worship and a Tavern/Hotel that served alcohol.
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Measure distance from Where to Where?
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A certain amount of "puffing" is acceptable in advertising real estate.
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In 40 years or so might be able to walk to Orlando
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Also about sinkholes, no agent mentioned it. It did not occur for me to ask because my parents who had a home here for decades and my uncle who lived and died in TV never mentioned them. But when I looked at a foreclosure sale the document said the house is in a sinkhole hazard area. From that point on I always asked about sinkholes. The answer was invariably; “What sinkholes? I don’t know of any.” From that point on I knew exactly how much to trust my agents.
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My brother has been selling many things, very successfully, for over 50 year.
The mantra of a top top salesman. Enhance the positive, never mention a negative, and never bad mouth the opposition. Caveat Emptor. |
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Everyone lies and gives weasel answers at times. For example: Doctors Lies in the Doctor-Patient Relationship. Is it ever OK for doctors to lie to their patients? Patient: So Doc, how's it look? Doctor (weasel answer) You could have many years of life to enjoy Doctor (pure truth) You have severe cardiomyopathy and may drop dead any second. |
The esteemed Developer never lies and is always looking out for our best interests.
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It's called "puffing" in the law. Ask Judge Judy, she'll agree. It's done all the time. Car sellers say "used car has been driven by a little old lady no more than 10mph on Sundays only to go to church" or "these golf clubs are definitely going to let you stroke less" (or whatever the term is, I don't play golf), or this couch I am selling you "has barely ever been sat on."
puffing n. the exaggeration of the good points of a product, a business, real property, and the prospects for future rise in value, profits and growth. Since a certain amount of "puffing" can be expected of any salesman, it cannot be the basis of a lawsuit for fraud or breach of contract unless the exaggeration exceeds the reality. However, if the puffery includes outright lies or has no basis in fact ("Sears Roebuck is building next door to your store site") a legal action for rescission of the contract or for fraud against the seller is possible. Puffing legal definition of Puffing |
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In any most salesman make their money by selling so remember how they are motivated. |
It's like all the ads you see on the internet, television and the ones you hear on the radio, CBD oil, the miracle drug that cures everything from PMS to brain cancer and diseases we don't know about yet.
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OP must really think once you retire you have become unable to use google and search for answers before you make any major purchase
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Sounds EXACTLY like any politician !
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They have two homes listed for sale with a water and golf course view, the golf course is the putt putt course and the water view is the water that runs around it. Not a lie but a little bit not what you would expect to see with a golf course view.
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no realtor is ever going to introduce anything negative that could impact the sale....if you ask a direct question they will not lie (assuming they have integrity and are professional). You need to ask explicit questions, not an implicit indirect questions....if you ask an indirect question, it increases the chances that they'll wiggle around and spin a negative into a positive.
I've done 7 real estate deals, my father-in-law owned a Toyota dealership, so pretty familiar with both scenarios... dealing with a real estate salesperson isn't that much different than dealing with a car salesperson you need to be on your toes, do you homework, know what you're looking for, be willing to walk away and know what you are willing to pay. Remember they go to a lot of classes to learn how to sell....chances are you've never had any formal training on how to buy IMHO, shopping at the end of the month gives you an advantage...walking away gives you an advantage...knowing what you are looking for gives you an advantage.....don't believe everything that you hear...you're often listening for what you want to hear and aren't asking the right clarifying questions |
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its not a lie if you believe it." from what movie? |
"Build out is in 2 years. You better buy now."
How many thousands fell for that BS? |
Sorry, what show?
“It's not a lie... if you believe it.”
— George Costanza, Seinfeld, Season 6: The Beard ANNOTATION George tells Jerry how to beat a polygraph test. Having worked with sales reps, many practice the "lies" over and over again until the facial tics which identify a lie disappear. . . its also called marketing, as every product and every company is a market leader in something. . . sportsguy |
Perhaps you could write what you believe to be the proper/correct answers and provide them to Administration for their publishing/website updating?
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It's called "due diligence", in plain talk you check it out thoroughly before you take the leap. The wife and I made 3 trips to the villages before purchasing our home here. It helped that we had friends that had been living in TV for years that we mercilessly questioned about how, what, when and where concerning home ownership in TV. We met with a loan officer before we even decided to buy and gained valuable information on taxes and the other expenses of living here.
The description of water views and golf course views you take with a grain, or maybe a pound, of salt and see it personally to determine if the description is factual. If it isn't then nobody is putting a gun to your head forcing you to buy the house. It never entered my mind that TV would have a police force, I knew that it wasn't a city and therefore unable to have police officers. TV could hire private security but they have no police powers so what good would they be? As far as the distance to Orlando, where in Orlando was the end point? Usually the online map/driving aps measure to city center unless you specify a specific street address. Maybe it was measured to the closest city limit location. Again, due diligence on your part to check exactly how far it is to the location you want to go to. I just checked google maps and from my house in McClure to Orlando city center is 47 miles. |
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When you go supermarket shopping you read the labels right? Buy a car and you read reviews? So you buy a $300,000 home and don't do any research yourself? Not to denigrate real estate sales people but they are right at the bottom with used car sales people . and yes I know some are great ethical realtors.
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Anyone Selling Anything will lie if it will help them get a sale. Cars, furniture and REAL-ESTATE have the most prolific liars.
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Point missed
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They would never forget to tell you your lot is next to the highway or power lines or that community center will take two years to build. That you can't put a gnome in your yard .
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Morse Clan's Only Vision Is Personal Wealth
You are correct, many of the Morse Family statements while not lies, are misleading. In regard to the 55+, they do not sell as many homes each year without the 20 and 30-somethings. You ought to come south of the turnpike to see it in the flesh.
Hacienda County Club is another example, the Morse Family decided to knock it down and re purpose it. Did they have a open forum to discuss, the answer is no. Talk about socialism and take it or leave it, welcome to the Morse Family Villages. |
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I have registered 45 miles to the villages from Orlando on my car speedometer, not using a google on line search. Anyone can make their own interpretation of statements made by anyone. How about just doing your own research and figure it out for yourself? But I dont see any lies here. Its just a matter of how YOU interpret it |
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As far as I can tell, they come no where close to lying. They simply give positive answers to questions. I don't see any of these answers as "weasel answers." They are truthful.
And what happened to the original subject of this OP where "The Villages" supposedly lied about people under age 55 living here? If a salesman did indeed lie, does that mean that "The Villages" lied? Because one person who is employed by a company may have told a lie, that doesn't mean the company lies. |
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