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Bay Kid 08-11-2020 07:09 AM

Chicago
 
Has the city totally lost control? They want to defund police while the crooks destroy businesses and steal whatever they desire with NO fear. Looks like a 3rd world country, no 3rd world countries have better control of rioters, thieves.

Seattle, a lost cause? Many of America's cities. So sad.

Stu from NYC 08-11-2020 08:13 AM

When they destroy the property of the people running the city hopefully that will be a wakeup call.

retiredguy123 08-11-2020 08:20 AM

I find it very disturbing that we taxpayers pay all this money for police, national guard, and the military, but our leaders don't want to use them. The riots could be stopped in a matter of days.

davem4616 08-11-2020 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1815744)
Has the city totally lost control? They want to defund police while the crooks destroy businesses and steal whatever they desire with NO fear. Looks like a 3rd world country, no 3rd world countries have better control of rioters, thieves.

Seattle, a lost cause? Many of America's cities. So sad.


it would appear that they may have lost control in the southside of Chicago decades ago....

billethkid 08-11-2020 08:53 AM

The rioting and destruction are being allowed (?) or tolerated (?) for a reason.

Where does one look in the current climate to see and hear the voice of the people. Remember them? Those who were supposedly elected to serve and protect and REPRESENT the will of the people....certainly do not!

The mere fact that the rioting and destruction is continuing without opposition should be frightening to we the people.

Medtrans 08-11-2020 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1815808)
it would appear that they may have lost control in the southside of Chicago decades ago....

But this was downtown Chicago in the high end stores. A van even pulled up to load from the stores. So what stores will stay in these areas without police protection? None. Then Chicago will be another lost city with no tourism. Companies will move their offices. We’ve seen it happen to others. It’s so sad. Hard to watch.

Kenswing 08-11-2020 09:21 AM

Chicago will soon be a ghost town like Detroit..

Stu from NYC 08-11-2020 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Medtrans (Post 1815826)
But this was downtown Chicago in the high end stores. A van even pulled up to load from the stores. So what stores will stay in these areas without police protection? None. Then Chicago will be another lost city with no tourism. Companies will move their offices. We’ve seen it happen to others. It’s so sad. Hard to watch.

Sad that the so called leadership of the city is allowing this to happen.

The protestors/rioters are destroying their own city.

Stu from NYC 08-11-2020 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1815808)
it would appear that they may have lost control in the southside of Chicago decades ago....

When Chicago PD comes back on they will have a tough road ahead of them.

And dont even get me started about the FD.

Marvic 1 08-11-2020 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Medtrans (Post 1815826)
But this was downtown Chicago in the high end stores. So what stores will stay in these areas without police protection? None. Companies will move their offices.

And the trash will move along with these companies and destroy them there also...
Its time to put a hurting on these so call "protesters".....

oldtimes 08-11-2020 09:48 AM

Protesting violence by using violence what a great concept.

Chi-Town 08-11-2020 09:51 AM

I wonder how many of you have even been to Chicago. Anyway here is an excerpt from Carl Sandburg's poem Chicago:

"Hog Butcher for the World,

Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,

Player with Railroads and the Nation's Freight Handler;

Stormy, husky, brawling,

City of the Big Shoulders:"

Just like New York the city has a determined spirit that overcomes adversity. Has in the past and will in the future.

, Chicago

billethkid 08-11-2020 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1815854)
I wonder how many of you have even been to Chicago. Anyway here is an excerpt from Carl Sandburg's poem Chicago:

"Hog Butcher for the World,

Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,

Player with Railroads and the Nation's Freight Handler;

Stormy, husky, brawling,

City of the Big Shoulders:"

Just like New York the city has a determined spirit that overcomes adversity. Has in the past and will in the future.

, Chicago

In the mean time the rioting, looting, killing and destruction of property continues...with NO ENFORCEMENT!!
This is not adversity.

Fredster 08-11-2020 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1815854)
I wonder how many of you have even been to Chicago. Anyway here is an excerpt from Carl Sandburg's poem Chicago:

"Hog Butcher for the World,

Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,

Player with Railroads and the Nation's Freight Handler;

Stormy, husky, brawling,

City of the Big Shoulders:"

Just like New York the city has a determined spirit that overcomes adversity. Has in the past and will in the future.

, Chicago

I also grew up in Chicago, and lived almost all my life in Illinois, but sadly the adversity in the city has it’s roots in failed social policies, and until that changes the saving spirit you mention will be lacking!

MandoMan 08-11-2020 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1815868)
In the mean time the rioting, looting, killing and destruction of property continues...with NO ENFORCEMENT!!
This is not adversity.

I was pleased that Mayor Lori Lightfoot announced that what was happening downtown was NOT grief over the death of George Floyd, but criminal action, felonies, and she wanted the perpetrators prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Good for her! Do it!

The irony, of course, is that she was much more supportive of BLM so long as the rioters stayed in South Chicago. The same goes for shootings. The attitude seems to be “Let the gangbangers shoot each other in their own neighborhoods and save us the bother.” “Let people loot and destroy and burn there where they live, but not downtown.” I agree that it’s better for violent young men to shoot at each other than at me, far from my home, but it does seem ironic.

jimmio 08-11-2020 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 1815850)
Protesting violence by using violence what a great concept.

And your remedy would be?.....

Number 10 GI 08-11-2020 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmio (Post 1816001)
And your remedy would be?.....

How about enforcing the law. It's not real difficult to figure out.

Fredster 08-11-2020 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmio (Post 1816001)
And your remedy would be?.....

Instead of giving people handouts to get votes,
give them a hand up to education,
and meaningful employment,
which might lead to self respect
and self esteem!
Also the government isn’t a
good parent or mentor!

oldtimes 08-11-2020 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmio (Post 1816001)
And your remedy would be?.....

We have a former president who is black. We have many members of congress and the house who are black. We have governors, mayors, police commissioners and police chiefs who are black. I would be getting them all together in a room and asking them why we have this problem and what we need to do to solve it. Then I would arrest anyone who is using violence regardless of what color they are and putting them in jail where they belong.

B-flat 08-11-2020 05:44 PM

I believe in the Hammurabi code “an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth.” Start cutting off the hands of the thieves and that should put a quick end to the bandits! Oh yea that’s primitive! Shame on me!

Bucco 08-11-2020 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 1816024)
We have a former president who is black. We have many members of congress and the house who are black. We have governors, mayors, police commissioners and police chiefs who are black. I would be getting them all together in a room and asking them why we have this problem and what we need to do to solve it. Then I would arrest anyone who is using violence regardless of what color they are and putting them in jail where they belong.

That certainly might work. It has in the past....wonder where they would be allowed to meet ?

Remember most of them are under serious accusations, and attacks of slander by the person who might gather them.

Bucco 08-11-2020 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1816007)
How about enforcing the law. It's not real difficult to figure out.

BEST remedy offered.

Does that enforcement apply to all who break the law in any way or is it selective ?

See I agree with you totally in every way, but I do not think you want ALL broken laws to be enforced, now do you ?

Stu from NYC 08-11-2020 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1816043)
BEST remedy offered.

Does that enforcement apply to all who break the law in any way or is it selective ?

See I agree with you totally in every way, but I do not think you want ALL broken laws to be enforced, now do you ?

As they say if you do not want to do the time, dont do the crime

oldtimes 08-11-2020 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1816039)
That certainly might work. It has in the past....wonder where they would be allowed to meet ?

Remember most of them are under serious accusations, and attacks of slander by the person who might gather them.

Everyone seems more interested in pointing fingers and assigning blame than coming up with a plan.

Bucco 08-11-2020 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 1816053)
Everyone seems more interested in pointing fingers and assigning blame than coming up with a plan.

I do not know Chicago so well, and would love to hear from ex Chicago residents on ideas.

I am neutral on guns, but Chicago is one place it seems cries out for some really stringent gun laws it seems.

I know nothing about the police there or the history. This city has had a reputation going back 100 years.

Marvic 1 08-11-2020 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 1816053)
Everyone seems more interested in pointing fingers and assigning blame than coming up with a plan.

That exactly what I said, but in reference to the Covid 19 virus... :ho:

oldtimes 08-11-2020 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1816065)
Not saying I disagree, but specifically how are those folks part of the problem.

It is a local issue, with serious social overtones, but seems the problem must be solved locally with assistance.

No it is a national problem and none of them are speaking out to stop the violence and come up with a plan going forward. Too many people just aren't doing their job. They can't even pass a much needed relief bill without pork attached.

Stu from NYC 08-11-2020 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 1816068)
No it is a national problem and none of them are speaking out to stop the violence and come up with a plan going forward. Too many people just aren't doing their job. They can't even pass a much needed relief bill without pork attached.

If the so called black leadership actually led a lot of what is going on now would never have happened.

Remind blacks that they should plan to have kids as a two parent household and stay in school so as to get a good job.

And why you are at it this black on black crime is a much worse problem than the relatively few police shootings of unarmed blacks.

Number 10 GI 08-11-2020 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1816043)
BEST remedy offered.

Does that enforcement apply to all who break the law in any way or is it selective ?

See I agree with you totally in every way, but I do not think you want ALL broken laws to be enforced, now do you ?

Do you?

Bucco 08-11-2020 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1816072)
If the so called black leadership actually led a lot of what is going on now would never have happened.

Remind blacks that they should plan to have kids as a two parent household and stay in school so as to get a good job.

And why you are at it this black on black crime is a much worse problem than the relatively few police shootings of unarmed blacks.

1. If you refer to those elected representatives and Senators, they have a responsibility to United States, not only the black community, and you should really read history to see who leads, and vice verse.

2. I am reminding nobody of anything because I know you speak as if ALL black skinned Americans are the same...you probably believe all Mexican Americans are the same, or Italian Americans. They are not. Further more, as someone once said about "walking a mile in my shoes"..... check out a book I reference earlier..."Black like Me".... might open your eyes. I read it way back and it sure made my thought process different.

3. Lastly you may be right in what you say, however you present false equivalence which sort of stalled whatever point you were trying to make. You need to make a hero and a bad guy, it seems, instead of simply asking ALL people to behave honestly and truthfully, and do their job in the manner intended. As long as you need some kind of good guy or bad guy, no solution at the end of that road.


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