POA - Hacienda Hills
 

Where is the POA on the Hacienda Hills apartments and redevelopment plan? The giving away of amenity fees? I thought they were suppose to be "The POA is the largest and ONLY true advocacy organization in The Villages, Champions for Residents’ Rights since 1975." Not a peep. Nothing from the AAC meeting. No position paper on their website. Nothing on this site or others? Seems like they have let down the members on this one. I'll remember this with they come knocking to dues next time

I wouldn’t give up on them yet.

What do you expect them to do?

As usual vote yes to anything developers want, well, 4 or 5. One has residents in mind especially the ones the brought on the golf course.

If it were an amenity (rec center, exec golf course) You betcha they'd have something to say about it. Maybe they're keeping quiet for the moment, because it was a "country club" and not a rec center? The La Hacienda Rec Center and Pool are still intact, and still beautiful.

Honestly I don't know why they haven't at least posted an opinion somewhere about it. But that would be my guess.

They were not part of the amenities. The Morse Family owned that property. They offered it to District 2 to buy and they said no. So it was torn down instead and something new will now be built on that site.

Apartments are needed - but feel bad for people around them and golf course

A related question is, Where is the VHA? There was a disappointing lack of an uproar by either organization.

And the VHA?
 

A related question is, Where is the VHA on this question? Both organizations should have taken a position.

Because?

The POA will think before they act.

Agree since they represent us.

Well, a representative from the VHA was in attendance at the AAC meeting and they did speak regarding this project. No speaker identified themselves’s as representing the POA. The POA openly brags about taking on the developer. Guess they forgot in this case...

This is the part no one hears
It was never part of our amenities. It is owned by the developer. So technically we have no say. It was offered for sale and it was declined. Are there other options now?

Blame the 4 AAC MEMBERS MORE SHEEP!

‘They’ don’t have to release any statement, etc......private organization and they don’t care.

Rest Assured
 

You can be rest assured the POA is into it and you will see a response. Although I have not attended their Board Meetings I would bet the farm they will have a position!! A practice of theirs is not to run into a problem without an investigation into the background and a solid analysis of the situation. Since it is an Owner (Forget Developer term!) want you will not see a fair and balanced response by the HOA as it would be the Owner talking to himself. :popcorn:

POA Hacienda Hills
 

Ask not what the POA can do for you - ask what you can do for the POA.
With the concealed swiftness of the developers action on Hacienda Hills - it is obvious that the Hacienda Hills neighborhood had very little protection against the developers plans. Very likely each homeowner lost $10,000 - $40,000 of their property value now that they will be looking at a massive apartment complex instead of a pretty country club.
I'm sure the POA needs volunteers to research the facts on how this happened and why the neighbors were so poorly protected. Hopefully many homeowners are prompted to volunteer their time, research this out, and work to change whatever laws and policies that allowed this to happen. We need to prevent this from happening in other neighborhoods that are similar to Hacienda Hills.

Those that say apartments will reduce real estate values in the area may be incorrect. It will depend on how the “project” is designed and completed. That said, I can understand the concern because of the uncertainty of the situation. Fear of the unknown can be very real. If this took place under a municipal type of government, approval by that government body would need to take place prior to any construction. Under a Community Development District type government (CDD) who knows what the rules and regulations are under that form of development? Above my pay grade but perhaps not the POA, VHA, or the Developers many attorneys.

So share the research you used to determine the value loss projections, how you determined that the neighborhood or any neighborhood needs protection from the Developer? Oh wait, you're just speculating based on your own bias right? Maybe the parking lot would have been been a better fit in your view? Or were you suggesting that the law should be changed so you can force someone to build or buy what the residents want without putting money into the venture? This whole conversation is ridiculous, we have no data on what is going in, what it will look like, what the restrictions are or aren't. Only speculation. You do know that the POA and VHA have no legal standing right?

Poa
 

This issue is just now in the planning phase so a position will not be developed until the specifics and details have been spelled out.
The POA and has been front and center of property owner issues. A good example is the Sumter County elections for County Commissioners which is going on now until the end of Aug 18. The POA studied and recommended Estep, Miller and Search to replace the incumbents who have close ties to the developer. These 3 have stated a prime objective is to roll back the 25% tax increase imposed by the incumbents.
So if you don't want to support the POA, no problem, but they are very supportive of property owners in The Villages.

The Country Club and pool were not amenities but at the meeting 300 amenity “passes” were granted to the possible new apartment dwellers. This is the issue.

I would think every homeowner in the Villages living on a Championship Golf course, which are developer owned, would feel like their substantial investment is resting on egg shells right now. And to think these poor folks paid a substantial premium to now be living in fear of their investment. We feel very fortunate that our home is not near any land owned by the developer, except for land that is considered a wildlife preserve, which can never be built on. Or then again, could it? The Villages of Mission Hills was built on wetlands that were built up to support home construction. Bottom line, the developer has proven they are going to do whatever they want, regardless of how many people their actions upset, and no one can stop them.

Give it up! Very few people read and comprehend. It is more fun to hate.

:bigbow::bigbow:

Perfect thought, both of these entities should be involved as it was a unanimous decision to give away amenity fees.

There are so many residents saying “ it was offered to the AAC for purchase and was turned down”. It was turned down because the AAC learned their lesson with the El Santiago Club. It was one of the best Places to eat and hang out after playing golf. Good food, great outdoor space. After several owners it started to go down hill.The developer supposedly tried to get something going with it try and stay a restaurant, to no avail. The developer constantly says he does not want to be in the restaurant business. He offered it to the AAC and they voted to purchase it. After the AAC bought it, it was “found to be in really bad shape” so despite the residents pleas to remodel an open another restaurant, it was demolished. This has happened at Silver Lake CC which was closed, Chula Vista CC which was closed as was the El Santiago CC. There is definitely a pattern here. Now Hacienda. How long before it’s Glenwood or Cane Garden or Palmer for that matter. There very well could be apartment complexes all over the Villages from 42 to 44.

I disagree. I strongly disagree anyone has lost money or will lose money due to the apartments.

So where would you rather live, next to a country club or next to an apartment complex. I think you actually know the answer.

People keep crying about the apartments. Personally my impression is the Morses have always built first class structures. I have no doubt that the building, facilities, and landscaping will be spectacular and blend nicely into the neighborhood.

My concern is the AAC giving away the amenity fees. That is roughly $500k per year. Does it take that much to maintain a pool? This is where the POA should have focused their attention. Unless they are planning a lawsuit of some type to stop the deal, the horse is out of the barn!

Not until their homes need to be sold. But many have certainly lost some of their lifestyle quality.

What the heck
 

What the heck, why are ones who don't live in the area are trying to influence the actions of the people who live there! I can absolutely guarantee you that many would have a fit if they woke up and found a 300 apartment building is going up next to your home. If you are not impacted by the decision then stay the heck out of the complicated negotiations going on as you don't belong there. As my parents instilled in me "to know my place".:popcorn:

My place is here in villages and having bought 5 new homes here a very big place . I believe that these complexes add more choices for people to stay in villages and please don’t tell me that’s what independent living is for . I’m a very healthy 81 who still runs in the afternoon, I may want to live in these complexes at some time , and if not me many others some because of being tired of there homes, some may have lost a spouse and maybe lonely . I lived at the Bay Hill Country Club there we’re condos there , if they were good enough for Arnold Palmer there good enough here , and yes i know these are apartments.,I don’t believe they’ll be an eyesore, we’ve all heard this before example church on the square . Also it’s been said over and over on this thread it’s private property .

I think you’re missing the objection, changing the face, amenities and density of their neighborhood is the problem for them. The Clan has plenty of land on which to build apartments and amenities for them. But they don’t have to consider that, they’re running the bus.

WTF does this have to do with the POA? They didn’t vote 4-1, that was CDD 4 I believe.

Seeing that the VHA is just an organization primarily in support of “the developer” (I get so sick of hearing that). It is unlikely they would jump on the bandwagon against these actions!

The AAC is signing away amenity fees. The affects us all who live north of 466. And the POA is doing nothing!