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Villages Kahuna 08-18-2020 07:40 PM

Wow! Primary Election Results
 
Somewhat surprisingly, the three candidates that challenged the three developer-supported Incumbents for positions as Sumter County Commissioners won the Republican Primary convincingly. The challengers will have to win the General Election in November, and there will be lots of developer-designed and funded challenges, probably for write-in candidates. The upcoming weeks will be interesting as this will be the first time in at least a decade when the Sumter County Board won’t be cleanly “in the pocket” of The Villages Developer.

What’s at risk for the Developer? Lots of things. Without a lot of study, how about...

—A repeal of the major change which has the new roads and infrastructure in the new southern end of The Villages funded by the taxpayers rather than the Developer as had been the practice until this year. The result of the change was a 25% increase in property taxes. The challengers all ran with the repeal of those tax increases as a major plank in their platforms.

—The possible repeal of the “One Sumter” procedure for the election of County Commissioners. The change in the electoral process goes back almost fifteen years and was designed and sponsored by the Developer. The result of the electoral change was that the County Board could be controlled by three members, all of whom have turned out to be choices of the Developer and financed by them. The result of course was pretty much complete control of the Board in getting anything the Developer wanted approved.

—There are lots of other decisions facing the County Commissioners that will effect all Villages residents living in Sumter County (the vast majority of us). Not the least important issue might be approval of the re-zoning of the Hacienda Hills CC parcel to permit the construction of a high-rise 286-unit apartment building.

So it’ll probably be important for all of us to begin to pay lots more attention to local Sumter County politics. You can be certain that the Developer will be very creative approaching the General Election and beyond, trying to regain control of the Sumter County Board. Keeping local politics in the control of the taxpayers will take our collective, continual attention.

DeanFL 08-18-2020 08:01 PM

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WOW! Personally we changed from 'No Party' Affiliation' to 'Republican' in order to vote in the Primary. We are both Independents, but after research it was apparent that the 3 incumbents do(did) not deserve to be in those posts any longer. Some videos we saw of several Committee meetings, and how they treated our citizens (and in turn us all) soured us so much we HAD to vote.

This is good news - sure hope that we end up with more sincere and honest reps.

I must say - today we went online and switched back to NPA.

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Advogado 08-18-2020 08:54 PM

Good job, voters of Sumter County: 3 down! 2 to go! In 2022, we need to finish the cleansing of the County Commission by voting out the two remaining Developer puppets--Breeden and Gilpin.

Let's watch what happens between now and the departure of Butler, Burgess, and Printz after the general election in November. They may try to poison the well for the incumbents by tying the County into as many sweetheart contracts with
the Developer as possible.

tophcfa 08-18-2020 09:01 PM

Anticipate a fast track to re-zone the Hacienda Hills CC parcel before the puppets leave office.

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-18-2020 09:16 PM

I'm unaffiliated and didn't realize until too late that there were primaries for local elections (most of our town elections in my town up north were one Dem vs. one GOP and sometimes an independent, so there weren't ever any primaries needed - several seats ran unopposed and maybe would get 10 write-ins on election day for someone else). So I was locked out of primaries for our county this year.

I'm in Lake County though, and I don't know diddly about Lake County politics. So it's probably best that I stayed out of this year's primaries, and I'll educate myself for the election day itself.

tophcfa 08-18-2020 10:29 PM

I sincerely hope this is a wake up call for the current generation of the family, that what is best for both the existing residents of the Villages and the developers can run on a parallel pathway. That business model worked extremely well for the previous generations of the family, and made them rich beyond their wildest dreams, and there is nothing wrong with that. Let’s all hope that this sends a clear message that Gary Morse's business model is far superior to what we have increasingly experienced over the last few years : )

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 08-18-2020 11:31 PM

I though that Hacienda Hills CC was in Lake county.

Ladygolfer93 08-19-2020 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1819623)
Somewhat surprisingly, the three candidates that challenged the three developer-supported Incumbents for positions as Sumter County Commissioners won the Republican Primary convincingly. The challengers will have to win the General Election in November, and there will be lots of developer-designed and funded challenges, probably for write-in candidates. The upcoming weeks will be interesting as this will be the first time in at least a decade when the Sumter County Board won’t be cleanly “in the pocket” of The Villages Developer.

What’s at risk for the Developer? Lots of things. Without a lot of study, how about...

—A repeal of the major change which has the new roads and infrastructure in the new southern end of The Villages funded by the taxpayers rather than the Developer as had been the practice until this year. The result of the change was a 25% increase in property taxes. The challengers all ran with the repeal of those tax increases as a major plank in their platforms.

—The possible repeal of the “One Sumter” procedure for the election of County Commissioners. The change in the electoral process goes back almost fifteen years and was designed and sponsored by the Developer. The result of the electoral change was that the County Board could be controlled by three members, all of whom have turned out to be choices of the Developer and financed by them. The result of course was pretty much complete control of the Board in getting anything the Developer wanted approved.

—There are lots of other decisions facing the County Commissioners that will effect all Villages residents living in Sumter County (the vast majority of us). Not the least important issue might be approval of the re-zoning of the Hacienda Hills CC parcel to permit the construction of a high-rise 286-unit apartment building.

So it’ll probably be important for all of us to begin to pay lots more attention to local Sumter County politics. You can be certain that the Developer will be very creative approaching the General Election and beyond, trying to regain control of the Sumter County Board. Keeping local politics in the control of the taxpayers will take our collective, continual attention.

So very well said and WARNED, but, how many will actually care ? Will do their homework ? Will keep an eye on things ? I have found it takes a LOT of time, searching, "digging" around to get ACTUAL facts and figures from REAL sources live government docs !

queasy27 08-19-2020 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1819662)
I thought that Hacienda Hills CC was in Lake county.

And back to reality. :)

Be interesting to see how the Lake County Commissioners respond. In my casual view, they are generally pro development (which doesn't necessarily mean pro Developer). I don't recall any big battles or crises when the land for the new Lake County villages was sold a few years ago.

Coal Miner 08-19-2020 04:51 AM

Very exciting. I hope we can continue to remove incumbents who do things for their own self interests this Nov.

J1ceasar 08-19-2020 05:13 AM

Round one folks .

jacksonbrown 08-19-2020 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1819648)
Anticipate a fast track to re-zone the Hacienda Hills CC parcel before the puppets leave office.

Should the current crop decide to fast track or enter into sweetheart deals, we property owners can sue, claiming

Qualified Immunity

1. They WILL BE voted out,

2 They WILL NOT have Sumter County taxpayers paying their legal bills. Even if they win their QI lawsuits, their personal costs will be enormous.

Pillowtalk 08-19-2020 05:31 AM

We also had to do the same thing. Switching back today also. What we need here and in our goverment is elected officials who put the country and the good of it’s people before their party. And also someone who represents all of us, instead of just half of us would help to bring us together to end to this divide.

Two Bills 08-19-2020 05:34 AM

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sharonl7340 08-19-2020 05:50 AM

I have been a Democrat my entire adult voting life. I align more with Democratic thoughts and values, but changed my party affiliation for this election. I assumed I would go back online change it back over after the election yesterday, but I have been thinking that would be a mistake. This county is controlled by a Republican majority and if I change back then I can't vote in the primaries that will ultimately decide who the candidates (opposed or unopposed) in November will be. I think I will keep my party affiliation as Republican just to balance out the deeply conservative votes in these primaries. This same situation (that occured in this election) will continue to happen in future races and I want to be ready to cast my vote for candidates who will listen to the citizens they are supposed to serve. I think the term has always been a "yellow Democrat" for a person to change their party to win an election; I'll be a yellow Republican to hopefully effect some change in the elections.

George Page 08-19-2020 05:59 AM

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Madelaine Amee 08-19-2020 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1819623)
Somewhat surprisingly, the three candidates that challenged the three developer-supported Incumbents for positions as Sumter County Commissioners won the Republican Primary convincingly. The challengers will have to win the General Election in November, and there will be lots of developer-designed and funded challenges, probably for write-in candidates. The upcoming weeks will be interesting as this will be the first time in at least a decade when the Sumter County Board won’t be cleanly “in the pocket” of The Villages Developer.

What’s at risk for the Developer? Lots of things. Without a lot of study, how about...

—A repeal of the major change which has the new roads and infrastructure in the new southern end of The Villages funded by the taxpayers rather than the Developer as had been the practice until this year. The result of the change was a 25% increase in property taxes. The challengers all ran with the repeal of those tax increases as a major plank in their platforms.

—The possible repeal of the “One Sumter” procedure for the election of County Commissioners. The change in the electoral process goes back almost fifteen years and was designed and sponsored by the Developer. The result of the electoral change was that the County Board could be controlled by three members, all of whom have turned out to be choices of the Developer and financed by them. The result of course was pretty much complete control of the Board in getting anything the Developer wanted approved.

—There are lots of other decisions facing the County Commissioners that will effect all Villages residents living in Sumter County (the vast majority of us). Not the least important issue might be approval of the re-zoning of the Hacienda Hills CC parcel to permit the construction of a high-rise 286-unit apartment building.

So it’ll probably be important for all of us to begin to pay lots more attention to local Sumter County politics. You can be certain that the Developer will be very creative approaching the General Election and beyond, trying to regain control of the Sumter County Board. Keeping local politics in the control of the taxpayers will take our collective, continual attention.



Thank you for this information. In ignorance I missed the primary, but I can educate myself to make sure my General vote is counted.

johnsre 08-19-2020 06:32 AM

I think Hacienda Hills is in Lake County

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-19-2020 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharonl7340 (Post 1819715)
I have been a Democrat my entire adult voting life. I align more with Democratic thoughts and values, but changed my party affiliation for this election. I assumed I would go back online change it back over after the election yesterday, but I have been thinking that would be a mistake. This county is controlled by a Republican majority and if I change back then I can't vote in the primaries that will ultimately decide who the candidates (opposed or unopposed) in November will be. I think I will keep my party affiliation as Republican just to balance out the deeply conservative votes in these primaries. This same situation (that occured in this election) will continue to happen in future races and I want to be ready to cast my vote for candidates who will listen to the citizens they are supposed to serve. I think the term has always been a "yellow Democrat" for a person to change their party to win an election; I'll be a yellow Republican to hopefully effect some change in the elections.

Just remember, you can still vote Democrat in all general elections. And (as I discovered too late) if there's a primary with one party running with no other party opposing it, you can vote in that primary no matter what your affiliation is.

In other words:

If the Republican party has 3 candidates running and there's a Primary to determine which one gets the nomination..

and if there is no Democrat running for that particular position...

then the primary becomes a "universal primary" and every registered voter in the district can vote for that primary.

ts12755 08-19-2020 06:43 AM

The developer will buy and own these three new ones in less than 6 months. Look at Washington DC, that's how they all get rich.

ldovermiller 08-19-2020 06:53 AM

Great, I'm glad these "three stooges" are going away!!

toeser 08-19-2020 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnsre (Post 1819743)
I think Hacienda Hills is in Lake County

It is absolutely in Sumter County.

toeser 08-19-2020 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ts12755 (Post 1819753)
The developer will buy and own these three new ones in less than 6 months. Look at Washington DC, that's how they all get rich.

No, they won't. One is my neighbor and he is loaded with integrity. You should not post things like that about people you do not know.

robertj1954 08-19-2020 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1819632)
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WOW! Personally we changed from 'No Party' Affiliation' to 'Republican' in order to vote in the Primary. We are both Independents, but after research it was apparent that the 3 incumbents do(did) not deserve to be in those posts any longer. Some videos we saw of several Committee meetings, and how they treated our citizens (and in turn us all) soured us so much we HAD to vote.

This is good news - sure hope that we end up with more sincere and honest reps.

I must say - today we went online and switched back to NPA.

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The 3 incumbents learned the hard way what happens when you fail to support the people who put you in public office. I can’t add anything to what the other posters have already stated well. This is my message to the Developer. Elections have consequences!

Deanmasser 08-19-2020 07:19 AM

That’s great news! Need to interview these candidates to assure their support on these items. Than tell friends and neighbors and get out and Vote!!

PompeyKing 08-19-2020 07:37 AM

We are new to The Villages and registered to vote and voted. Can you share the website that allows you to change your party. Thanks,

PennBF 08-19-2020 07:47 AM

Understatement
 
It would be an understatement to say I am proud of the residents who voted for the new and replacement Commissioner's. That is what Democracy is all about! I agree that allegedly they will be pursued to stay with the Developer and could be under severe pressure to "go with the Developer". Their challenge is to remain loyal to the many who believed in them and their integrity. Politics can be a dirty game and this is an opportunity to truly understand and represent the residents fairly. Again, thanks for your willingness to take on the role of fairly representing your neighbors! :ho:

gatorbill1 08-19-2020 07:53 AM

Good results - but the best thing for this area would be to have a needed two party system and just vote in the best people, no matter the party. We will not progress past Developer run area until then.

champion6 08-19-2020 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1819662)
I though that Hacienda Hills CC was in Lake county.

Quote:

Originally Posted by queasy27 (Post 1819678)
And back to reality. :)
Be interesting to see how the Lake County Commissioners respond. In my casual view, they are generally pro development (which doesn't necessarily mean pro Developer). I don't recall any big battles or crises when the land for the new Lake County villages was sold a few years ago.

Absolutely, positively, Hacienda Hills CC - all buildings and all the golf holes - are in Sumter County.

DeanFL 08-19-2020 08:10 AM

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For us both - we are NPA, and truly Independent voters. I don't really care about the D, R, I after a candiates name (too much anyway). What threw our votes against the incumbents was those videos taken from Committee Public meetings and how consituents were treated. Showed us 'true colors', and perhaps their bias and attitudes in the shadows when not in public. The non-stop full page ads in the Sun were turnoffs - funded by Who??? We vote on issues - and for encumbents, past actions in office. This was an 'easy vote' for us and -for now- pleased. We needed to clean house. As some other poster said, hope they don't get bought if they get elected in the General.
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sharonl7340 08-19-2020 08:16 AM

Sumter County Supervisor of Elections > Voters > Review My Registration Status (Voter Lookup)

Complete the form to see:

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You'll also be able to:

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Fenster 08-19-2020 08:18 AM

Thank you
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1819623)
Somewhat surprisingly, the three candidates that challenged the three developer-supported Incumbents for positions as Sumter County Commissioners won the Republican Primary convincingly. The challengers will have to win the General Election in November, and there will be lots of developer-designed and funded challenges, probably for write-in candidates. The upcoming weeks will be interesting as this will be the first time in at least a decade when the Sumter County Board won’t be cleanly “in the pocket” of The Villages Developer.

What’s at risk for the Developer? Lots of things. Without a lot of study, how about...

—A repeal of the major change which has the new roads and infrastructure in the new southern end of The Villages funded by the taxpayers rather than the Developer as had been the practice until this year. The result of the change was a 25% increase in property taxes. The challengers all ran with the repeal of those tax increases as a major plank in their platforms.

—The possible repeal of the “One Sumter” procedure for the election of County Commissioners. The change in the electoral process goes back almost fifteen years and was designed and sponsored by the Developer. The result of the electoral change was that the County Board could be controlled by three members, all of whom have turned out to be choices of the Developer and financed by them. The result of course was pretty much complete control of the Board in getting anything the Developer wanted approved.

—There are lots of other decisions facing the County Commissioners that will effect all Villages residents living in Sumter County (the vast majority of us). Not the least important issue might be approval of the re-zoning of the Hacienda Hills CC parcel to permit the construction of a high-rise 286-unit apartment building.

So it’ll probably be important for all of us to begin to pay lots more attention to local Sumter County politics. You can be certain that the Developer will be very creative approaching the General Election and beyond, trying to regain control of the Sumter County Board. Keeping local politics in the control of the taxpayers will take our collective, continual attention.


KEEP BEATING THE DRUM!
Great post.
Many of the proposed plans are bad for the residents. Pure money grabs. Enough already!

Stu from NYC 08-19-2020 08:28 AM

Hopefully the developer will see what has happened and return to the days of yesteryear.

Cbriggi 08-19-2020 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1819662)
I though that Hacienda Hills CC was in Lake county.

No all of hacienda hills buildings and three golf courses are in Sumter County. Although the golf course does abut lake county.

Topspinmo 08-19-2020 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1819852)
Hopefully the developer will see what has happened and return to the days of yesteryear.

Not going to happen, the king is gone.

Carla B 08-19-2020 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1819752)
Just remember, you can still vote Democrat in all general elections. And (as I discovered too late) if there's a primary with one party running with no other party opposing it, you can vote in that primary no matter what your affiliation is.

In other words:

If the Republican party has 3 candidates running and there's a Primary to determine which one gets the nomination..

and if there is no Democrat running for that particular position...

then the primary becomes a "universal primary" and every registered voter in the district can vote for that primary.

I don't understand. As far as I know, Florida is a closed primary state. Just in order to vote in this primary many of us went through the process of changing from NPA, Democrat, or whatever, to Republican.

rmd2 08-19-2020 09:07 AM

Yeaaa! Congratulations to Estep, Miller and Search in winning the Sumter County Commissioner positions.
In 2020 two more Sumter County Commissioner persons need to be removed - vote out Developer puppets--Breeden and Gilpin. These Commissioners treated us like DIRT when they raised our taxes by 25% and ignored us in meetings when we tried to discuss it. Whenever there is a case of expenses to be paid it's better for US to pay for them rather than the Developer - right Breeden and Gilpin? You're next to go!

merrymini 08-19-2020 09:18 AM

Florida is a closed primary state. That means that if you are not affiliated with either party, you cannot vote in a primary. There should be a referendum on the November ballot for Florida to become a open primary state, allowing independents to vote in primaries. I will vote for this because, I believe, independents have the right to vote in primaries just like everyone else.

New Englander 08-19-2020 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 1819904)
Florida is a closed primary state. That means that if you are not affiliated with either party, you cannot vote in a primary. There should be a referendum on the November ballot for Florida to become a open primary state, allowing independents to vote in primaries. I will vote for this because, I believe, independents have the right to vote in primaries just like everyone else.

:agree:

PennBF 08-19-2020 09:38 AM

Recall
 
Is there a "Recall" procedure in Florida, where in case you have an elected official that is not truly representing the people can be recalled? I am thinking of the last 2 Commissioner's which we are stuck with until 2022?:ohdear:


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