What does Covid-19 in the White House teach us?
 

I've been watching the recordings of the assembly in the Rose garden earlier this week, and it's hard to fathom what they were thinking - not wearing masks, shaking hands, hugging in some cases. Seems to go against everything our experts tell us.

But to me the biggest take-away is that even out in the open air, it looks like you can still get the virus if you don't practice social distancing. I know it's going to make me think twice about eating outside, and I'm re-thinking all my activites now.

Is there anything else that can be learned? Super-spreader events like this just seem all too common. I've still not had a hair cut in 8 months now, and don't see that changing any time soon.

We have to get back to listneing to the Scientists on this. Wishful thinking is not going to cut it folks, and I don't like playing Russian roulette.

I beelive Trump is not in great shape, so if there is some good from this it's that he may become a poster child for why we all need to take it seriously and wear masks when with others.

Chris Christie has been checked into the hospital. He is old, morbidly obese, and has asthma. This doesn't look good.

There will never be a vaccine. Live your life to the fullest every day!!!

Wear a mask!

Frankly, I was starting to relax a bit, going out to run a few errands to get me out of the house. Now I am back to ordering hardware and other items from Amazon and getting my groceries delivered. I have not had a haircut or been on an aircraft since February and thought maybe I was being a little paranoid but I no longer feel that way. I have always worn a mask in public buildings but not in their parking lots. I am now going to wear a mask in parking lots but not while out walking for exercise.

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There was a guy on TOTV that was arguing with everyone about covid-19. He came across as an expert with a prediction that by October 1st the virus would be gone and he wouldn't have to live like Howard Hughes anymore. I won't say who he is. He knows I'm talking about him.

Where is this expert now?

Where is his scientific analysis and predictions?

Sometimes science gets it wrong so listen to your instincts and protect yourself at all times. The virus can still hit this place hard just like it did the Whitehouse.

Of all the messages we have heard, it is my opinion that the science message was never wrong, sometimes needing more data to update, but not wrong in the truest sense.

Lacking one message, we have had to choose.

You're taking about Mr Herd Immunity? He was wrong from day one but was so eloquent in his musings that people thought he sounded smart. Science is never wrong. Misunderstanding the data and drawing erroneous conclusions is not science. Anyone who truly understood the science of infectious disease knew he was wrong.

I don't wish Covid on anyone and hope everyone infected recovers fully. I know this is not always the case unfortunately.

I'm still optimistic that Americans are resilient and will persevere, despite what the unhappy minority like to convey.

any more info on why the recent spike in Sumpter Co. Thinking of driving down for a couple weeks to get the place ready for January . I know there was a separate thread on this but cant find it . I saw 80 cases in one day.

Does anyone know what to make of the huge spike in positive rates in Sumter County on September 29 and 30 according to Home | Florida Department of Health COVID-19 Outbreak The county had been at about 4% on average and then spiked up to 21% on 9/29 and 22% on 9/30.

No, there is nothing else to learn. We learned everything we needed in February.

Social distance from others, stay away from indoor spaces with other people, wear clean masks in stores, wash your hands frequently.

Of course, that is easy for unemployed people like us.

Did anyone see the short clip when Amy approached the rose garden party in a mask, she was met by 3 gentleman, one I think was mark meadows (could only see back of his head), it then appeared judging by the look on her face and actions, that she was asked to remove her mask which she promptly did.

All it teaches us is that you can’t hide from a virus! Mask or no mask! I don’t wear a mask as I know they are useless! We will all be exposed to Covid just like we are the flu or the common cold. Trump has no co-morbidities so he will be past this in a week or so, just like 99% of those that get it!
The media has done a good job of tuning much of the population into paranoid people!

Masks are useless against this virus. Covid molecule very small and can pass right through it. Read what leading epidemiologists say! Just psychological. Covid is not a death sentence. 99% survivable just like the flu. No mask for me!
So tired of the paranoia!

Lets believe science not self serving politicians.

My guess would be Labor Day Celebrations: That would be about the end of the incubation period when people would start showing symptoms. No medical knowledge just a common sense guess.

You mean the same Judge Barrett who already contracted Covid-19 during the summer?

Amy Coney Barrett had COVID-19 earlier this year, officials say - Chicago Tribune

You speak the truth with the exception of wearing of masks. Back in February, let's not forget, the American people were told by our experts not to wear masks if you had no symptoms. Oh yes, I know "they" had their reasons for lying to the American people. That was wrong as the science knew the virus was transmitted by asymptomatic and presymptomatic infected people.

That is water under the bridge now. Going forward, when the scientists finally DID tell the American people to cover their faces, the damage was already done and many people continued to believe that masks were not necessary and worse yet, were detrimental to our health. Of course there are many Americans who did head the advice and continue to this day to cover their faces in public spaces, especially indoors. Many people got to work making home made masks to mitigate the virus as soon as we were told to cover our faces in public spaces, especially indoors.

Back in February, a bad example was set for the American people and continued until a few days ago. Let's hope that message will now change going forward. Anti-maskers have been out there, infecting people they don't know and bringing the virus home to loved ones. Sorry to say, it's not getting any better, even today. Unless we have a safe and effective vaccine, America will never reach herd immunity. That is a sad state of affairs.

This email about the virus going through a mask ... makes no sense considering the facts. Let's be real on these pages - wearing a mask keeps most if not all of the particles on the side of the wearer of the mask and keeps others safe. To think otherwise is mystifying.

Well said

Agree, the Covid virus is so small that is can pass through masks. What you do not seem to understand is that the virus is transmitted in DROPLETS and AEROSOLS. There are up to thousands of Covid virus particles in one droplet. That one droplet can be easily blocked by a mask. Times that one droplet by many many more. Why not block thousands of those virus particles with masks? Even aerosols are blocked by masks so why not wear a mask? Everyone has been asked to do their part but anti-maskers seem to feel they don't have to.

Wear a mask. They are NOT useless.
We DON’T know about Trump’s comorbidities..he’s not forthcoming on his state of health.
Regardless of the percentages, I don’t want to be in that 2% category and I don’t want to be in the 98% category either BECAUSE we DON’T know the long term effects of this virus and NEITHER do the experts, yet.
The media (scientists reporting) is giving us the science behind what they know NOW. The non-scientists are telling us nothing based on fact.
Use your brains and TRY to HELP slow this this virus down. Stop being stupid and selfish.

Leadbone, hmmmm!, I have another name for you, but, because moderator asks us to refrain from name-calling, I will behave. Folks, listen to the scientist, period.

I have been a proponent for mask wearing from mid March. I wear a mask in public spaces indoors. I will, however, remove my mask as soon as I exit the building. I will never wear a mask in a parking lot when I'm not close to anyone. Even passing someone in a parking lot will not make me cover my face. No need to do that. The science has said that you need close contact for at least a few minutes to contract enough of the virus to infect you. Passing someone in a parking lot will not be enough to infect anyone.

I will continue to dine in restaurants indoors only if the tables are distanced properly for social distancing. I do not wear a mask when seated in a restaurant. All other times, my mask is on my face.

You are all adults and do not need the Government nor anyone else to tell you what to do. Listen to yourself, your instincts, and act accordingly. Too many people in TV "go along" with others. If it doesn't feel right; simply don't do it. You know how to protect yourself; wear a mask; wash hand frequently for at least 20 seconds or use sanitizer if unable to wash; remain away from others.

Most important; when with others:
6 feet distance, wearing a mask for 10 minutes OR LESS.
That does not mean wearing a mask makes group contact okay; it means 10 minutes OR LESS.

Which brings up a good point about being in close proximity to people who are infected. Early on in this pandemic, the story came out about two hairdressers who were infected with Covid. Not knowing they were positive for the virus, they continued to work on their customers. About 80 customers were in this close contact with the hairdressers. Not one of their customers became infected with the virus. Why? Both hairdressers wore masks and all their patrons wore masks. I like those odds for mask wearing.

That is the anti-masker mentality. Going forward, I'm hoping all Americans will be receiving a different message from "TPTB". We learn from our mistakes. I'm hoping there is humility involved with getting that message out. Hubby says, "no way". I'm hoping hubby is wrong.

Educate yourself. Go read what leading epidemiologist have to say. The Covid molecule is small enough that it will pass through any mask. Believe what you choose to believe. You cannot hide from a virus. The fact that the president got it when everyone around him is tested daily is proof of that. Good news is, he will survive just like 99% do.

Why would anyone in a Pandemic refuse to do something as simple as wear a mask in public places for the duration?

It doesn't cause pain. It is affordable. It is easy. It is socially acceptable. It makes 70% of the country agree with you.

If you want to push against what is acceptable you can go around with your pants unzipped.

You can wear your "Make love, not War Shirt.".

Staying inside is not an option. Most folks don't want to become Howard Hughes. Social distancing, wearing a mask, washing our hands and not touching our face with unwashed hands is what we have been asked to do. These are the CDC guidelines to help us all stay safe and mitigate this virus. Doing any of these things does not infringe on enjoying life. It is very easy to enjoy life while following the guidelines.

The recent Sumter county spike was due to an outbreak at the Coleman prison complex.

Cases in The Villages have been about 5 per day (667 total since March) for over a month except for a 20 case spike on one day. Complete data is available daily including cases by zip-code.

I believe everyone should take reasonable precautions commensurate with their risk factors, including household members. I don't believe now is not the time to return to a pre-covid lifestyle, nor grovel in fear.

Covid-19 doesn't care where you sit or what you do for a living;

Boris Johnson: it was 50-50 whether to put me on ventilator | World news | The Guardian

Live our lives to the fullest and pray to God it will be over soon

NOTHING.....the villagers just want to dance in the squares!

Who’s dancing in the squares now?

Good luck.

We all hope for a full recovery for the President, but let's face it - he flaunted the medical experts and mocked those who wore masks. The best advice is still - wear masks when indoors, social distance, and wash your hands frequently. I don't know about the last one, but he certainly did not observe the first two - nor did anyone around him - and now he is paying the price.

Doctors and nurses have been wearing masks for all these years to keep their Germs away from their patients. Don’t understand how so many can be so self centered that they won’t wear a mask to protect others.

Just for proper context...on Dr Fauci and masks
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""I don't regret anything I said then because in the context of the time in which I said it, it was correct. We were told in our task force meetings that we have a serious problem with the lack of PPEs and masks for the health providers who are putting themselves in harm's way every day to take care of sick people," Fauci told O'Donnell. [/B]

"When it became clear that the infection could be spread by asymptomatic carriers who don't know they're infected, that made it very clear that we had to strongly recommend masks," he said.

"And also, it soon became clear that we had enough protective equipment and that cloth masks and homemade masks were as good as masks that you would buy from surgical supply stores," Fauci added. "So in the context of when we were not strongly recommending it, it was the correct thing.""

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Dr. Fauci doesn'''t regret advising against masks early in pandemic - Business Insider

Just to diminish the "he changed his mind"..."he is anti mask"
Theories.