Is this a sign of the times?
 

My son is a member of our state's National Guard and has been given notice that he and all the members need to be ready on a 4 hour notice to deal with anticipated civil unrest during and following the upcoming election. I can't imagine the example we are displaying to the rest of the world who used to look at our democracy as a system of guidance. I expect most, if not all, of the states are taking similar precautions. Sad !!!

Very sad. Should anyone be surprised since it (civil unrest) has obviously been the "plan" for a few months ?

Gerrymandering, voter suppression and refusal to accept results are pretty much disqualifying as a bright shining example of democracy.

All the great dynasties and empires since history began, have all been destroyed from within.
Unfortunately ignoring or denying history is still a default mode!

Durning an major event, one can be given a 4 hour notice. Years back it was for the thanksgiving parade. Then for the Stanley Cup parade. Guess government was worried about an uprising then too.

Ask Maxine

Just out of curiosity, what state is your son in? I wonder if this advisory was sent to the National Guard in all states or just to a few select states where possible trouble was anticipated. Regardless, I sure hope it is not needed. Could 2020 get even worse?????

You are right. Only one side is making threats..

"Voters in Alaska and Florida reported receiving emails on Tuesday that threatened "vote for Trump or else!" — messages that have prompted investigations in both states.

"You are currently registered as a Democrat and we know this because we have gained access into the entire voting infrastructure," said one of the emails obtained by Alaska Public Media. "You will vote for Trump on Election Day or we will come after you. Change your party affiliation to Republican to let us know you received our message and will comply."


Emails Warning 'Vote For Trump Or Else!' Sent To Voters In Florida And Alaska : NPR

Is there a real safety threat to NC voters? | WLOS

This is probably just a necessary precaution. And stupidity does not have a political party.

Wondering if that Crooked Women has anything to do with this, she'll do anything! :rolleyes:

False. The riots in Minneapolis were by people with very little burning down the businesses that served them. Stupid. And you will find other such stupid actions done by people with other interests.

"..... officials have pointed the finger at left-wing anarchists and anti-fascists during protests against police brutality and racism over the summer, but federal court records provide little evidence showing those arrested for violent acts had affiliations to far-left groups.

Last week, the top two DHS officials acknowledged in congressional hearings, however, that white supremacists have posed the most lethal domestic threat to the United States in recent years."


U.S. intelligence reports warn of extremist threat around election | Reuters

I disagree. There is a controlling factor here that is driving all this dissent. Outside agitators were the lightning rods here.

1. That isn't something that "is" happening (present tense). It's something that happened (past tense) back in May. Minnesota is not burning.
2. The fire at Arby's was not set as a protest against a political party. It was a protest against the killing of George Floyd by four white police officers. Whether you agree with the killing or not, that's just the fact. That is why that fire was set. To protest a black guy being killed by four white cops.
3. The fire wasn't set by any particular political party.
4. This thread is about (surprise surprise) politics. Not about racism, the perception of racism, or lack thereof.

Can you supply the name of the "lightning rod" and more importantly since you make such a general accusation, links or some validation for your claim.

Thanks

And if you read anything about that, you would understand WHY, but choice of words seems far removed from the importance of the story.

Do you actually know the definition of "marxism" or are you simply mouthing what someone told you ??

Let us all keep in mind that the unrest is by the very few that get the attention and coverage that makes it seem/feel more widespread.
In today's fast response media and social posting incidents are scaled to sensationalism to draw attention.

Note that in the rioting locations there is there rarely any contact by the reporting with the average citizenry just down the way.

That, to me is the trend...

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Really
 

Only one candidate keeps talking about not accepting the results and telling followers to stand back and stand by

It’s the far right and the far left that are the problems. The vast majority of us have good friends who are D’s and good friends who are R’s. and we are reasonable rational passionate Americans. As far as the looting and fires they were looters and criminals not one of us. As far as the threat emails, FBI reported they are coming from outside the USA not one of us reasonable Americans.

Want to bet if that candidate loses, there will be violence and in addition, want to guess who gets blamed.

Scary read about another of the ext reme and violent groups that are poised.

Right-Wing Militias Are Bracing for Civil War - The Atlantic

Or

Dangerous network of militia members led by Ammon Bundy has spread to 16 states, report says

Or

"Far-right groups are planning to patrol polling sites on Election Day, some of them armed, causing experts to worry about the possibility of violent clashes and voter intimidation."


Armed groups say they will show up at polling sites on Election Day - Business Insider

"FBI agents in the Dallas field office are warning of the likelihood that far-right extremists will use the presidential election as a “flashpoint” to further sow anti-government sentiment through rhetoric and potential violence."

Dallas FBI Warns Against Right-Wing Extremist Violence Ahead of Election - D Magazine

Well said.

As usual.

Thank you, JustJim.

You are generally correct in your comments.

The extreme right wing groups are newer, and are getting attention from our highest leaders.

I suggest all read about these groups. They have been traveling all over our country, doing what they do. They are not only well armed, but trained in what they want to accomplish. This is not about a small group...these are people "looking for trouble" and until someone speaks out and condemns, they will become more emboldened and dangerous.

You recal, the outrage in Philadelphia a few years ago. I believe there were 3 men armed and alone at one polling place. Not an armed and trained militia.

The left wing groups have been around, not nearly as well armed or trained but certainly dangerous, but we only condemn them

Someone is going to get hurt.

We have become Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans, instead of being Americans either Republican or Democrat.

Wish I knew. If it were common knowledge, it would not be reported. Who is putting up bail money for those arrested? Why does Jerry Nadler refute the existence of antifa. Who is paying to bus these agitators in from other locations.

Strange, you do not mention the extreme right wing groups who agitate and in many cases are the only violence at these demonstrations, but the answer is the same for all who participate.

As to Nadler...he never said they did not exist...he said they were not in Portland. If you have evidence of him saying different let me know.

I do not condone any violence, but as we all know, some groups are accused on a very high national basis, BUT if you search out the truth, you find about the Proud Boys, the Boogallo' etc.

BOTH ARE BAD NEWS, but those right wing groups never get criticized nationally (certainly never on this forum).

We just continue to label everyone, and mimic what we are told to say.

Of corse ANTIFA has been responsible for some bad actions, but it seems that they stand alone in so many minds. and my opinion is, all this street crap continues until you (generic you) accept that fact. Recently, these extremely violent militia groups have been empowered and fear no criticism from any quarter

U.S. prosecutors do not charge Portland protesters with antifa ties | Reuters

And by the way, I am not even close to defending Jerry Nadler. Not a fan, just tired of extremists (of any ilk or side) using our streets as a playground. They (all of them equally) need to be called out for their actions.

Exactly! You hit the nail on the head. :pray:

He did say the antifa violence in Portland was a myth.

That’s what I said, the Justice department said, the FBI said, and the local newspapers said. You said that he said they flat out didn’t exist.

And again, as said earlier ONLY ONE SIDE has said that publicly.

Any “side” who does anything has got to be “called on it”

I guess you failed to get all the facts of where it came from

corse ANTIFA has been responsible for some bad actions

Really some bad actions

General correct, like know more than other than reading someone a opinion.

And you were there? Naturally they where elsewhere to burn and loot.

This is terrifying. We never had this problem until now.

Have any of the 4 hour notices been for a general election uprising? I'm pretty old and I do not recall one time this happening until now. Wonder why that is?

Please follow the news on who actually has been arrested and charged with taking over and looting the police station and shouted "justice for George Floyd", yet they were actually right-wing extremists taking advantage of peaceful protests. The truth is not always followed up on when it doesn't suit the narrative.

The National Guard takes it's orders directly from the Governor of their State, not the Federal Government or any central authority....each state is going to mobilize differently, or not be asked to mobilize.

I mentioned the two, maybe 3 men brandishing unloaded weapons at one precinct in Philadelphia.

Pales to traveling militias, well trained, well armed and they get from place to place quickly.

If you have evidence of “sweeping under the rug”, present it and if your “source” had a shred of evidence, more than making false accusations would have been done.

So you just made the case for the 2nd amendment per the requirement of ..Well trained militias.

I hate to say it, but after reading all of the replies from this one thread it would appear as if the Florida National Guard may have to be called to The Villages !!!! Are we going to go back to the "Friendliest Home Town" after this election or is our community going to be so divided we all won't even be able to go to the same Rec Center again? There is so much bitterness in these replies that it reminds me of my history classes when we learned about the events leading up to the Civil War where it was brother against brother and neighbor against neighbor. I can see it now, before you can enter a pool you will have to show your voter registration card indicating a D or an R instead of your Villager ID. For me, I'm voting for Jimmy Buffett for President !!!!! :icon_wink: