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cyrilwood 11-09-2020 06:06 AM
covid 19
 
Good news for those who have the virus and want to spread it or just want to get it- walmart on wdgewood is not enforcing wearing a mask. Yesterday P.M. i saw families and individuals not wearing masks.

Art cov 11-09-2020 06:41 AM
Whip dee do! Just old news!

Dana1963 11-09-2020 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by cyrilwood (Post 1858191)
Good news for those who have the virus and want to spread it or just want to get it- walmart on wdgewood is not enforcing wearing a mask. Yesterday P.M. i saw families and individuals not wearing masks.
It's a loosing battle 50/50 for or against masks. Take care of yourself.

xcaligirl 11-09-2020 07:39 AM
I was there the other day and saw an employee with his mask on his chin talking with customers, I saw 2 others in the store with no mask, saw several with masks under their noses. There will always be some people who feel rules do not apply and they also will not be asked to comply.

Ricky Dale 11-09-2020 07:41 AM
Pfizer just reported a vaccine at 90% effective to stop COVID.

Ricky Dale 11-09-2020 07:44 AM
Market furfures jumped over 1,000 points on the news.

Two Bills 11-09-2020 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Ricky Dale (Post 1858233)
Pfizer just reported a vaccine at 90% effective to stop COVID.
Covid vaccine: First '''milestone''' vaccine offers 90% protection - BBC News

YouNeverKnow 11-09-2020 08:42 AM
Publix in Lake Deton Plaza same. Check out person with mask below nose, person bagging groceries with just a shield (no mask), employee checking all dairy cases and stocking milk etc wearing mask on chin like a chin guard. Several shoppers with no masks.
Hard to try and keep yourself safe when others are working against the scientific recommendations on how to be safe and keep others safe.
:shocked:

Topspinmo 11-09-2020 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by cyrilwood (Post 1858191)
Good news for those who have the virus and want to spread it or just want to get it- walmart on wdgewood is not enforcing wearing a mask. Yesterday P.M. i saw families and individuals not wearing masks.

I hope they opened all the entry/exit doors. IMO the rise was higher when everybody had to go in and out one door. Stooopid idea IMO. You want to separate people not drive them down cattle loading pen.

Topspinmo 11-09-2020 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by cyrilwood (Post 1858191)
Good news for those who have the virus and want to spread it or just want to get it- walmart on wdgewood is not enforcing wearing a mask. Yesterday P.M. i saw families and individuals not wearing masks.
No different than any other business.

Villageswimmer 11-09-2020 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow (Post 1858280)
Publix in Lake Deton Plaza same. Check out person with mask below nose, person bagging groceries with just a shield (no mask), employee checking all dairy cases and stocking milk etc wearing mask on chin like a chin guard. Several shoppers with no masks.
Hard to try and keep yourself safe when others are working against the scientific recommendations on how to be safe and keep others safe.
:shocked:
Unless Publix has changed their policy, this is in violation of it. Did you report what you witnessed to the Manager?

YouNeverKnow 11-09-2020 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Villageswimmer (Post 1858328)
Unless Publix has changed their policy, this is in violation of it. Did you report what you witnessed to the Manager?
Have said things in the past to both Winn Dixie manager and Publix manager. Have not gotten a response that indicates they can consistently take care of the problems. One check out lady told me they are not allowed to say anything to anyone about wearing a mask? Publix is definitely not following through on the company policy even with some employees.

tophcfa 11-09-2020 10:47 AM
Very different approach up north in Massachusetts. 14 day quarantine for anyone coming to the state, unless coming from one of 6 designated low risk states. Masks are mandatory, with a fine for violation, everywhere in public, both indoors and outdoors, even if you can social distance. Indoor gatherings limited to 10 people and 25 outdoors. All non-essential businesses must close by 9:30 PM (just about everything except for hospitals) and curfew in place (with fines for violations) between 10 PM and 5 AM.

Here is hoping that today’s news of an effective vaccine are real?

Gulfcoast 11-09-2020 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1858375)
Very different approach up north in Massachusetts. 14 day quarantine for anyone coming to the state, unless coming from one of 6 designated low risk states. Masks are mandatory, with a fine for violation, everywhere in public, both indoors and outdoors, even if you can social distance. Indoor gatherings limited to 10 people and 25 outdoors. All non-essential businesses must close by 9:30 PM (just about everything except for hospitals) and curfew in place (with fines for violations) between 10 PM and 5 AM.

Here is hoping that today’s news of an effective vaccine are real?
I'm sorry but those rules are absolutely asinine. How on earth is that not a violation of constitutional rights? I've heard that a certain someone wants to make mask wearing mandatory nationwide - both indoors and outdoors. People not in compliance will face stiff fines. Pretty soon we'll be sunbathing and swimming in the ocean with masks slapped on our faces.

Topspinmo 11-09-2020 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1858384)
I'm sorry but those rules are absolutely asinine. How on earth is that not a violation of constitutional rights? I've heard that a certain someone wants to make mask wearing mandatory nationwide - both indoors and outdoors. People not in compliance will face stiff fines. Pretty soon we'll be sunbathing and swimming in the ocean with masks slapped on our faces.
Nothing more motivating than lining governments pockets. It’s all about money.

Topspinmo 11-09-2020 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1858375)
Very different approach up north in Massachusetts. 14 day quarantine for anyone coming to the state, unless coming from one of 6 designated low risk states. Masks are mandatory, with a fine for violation, everywhere in public, both indoors and outdoors, even if you can social distance. Indoor gatherings limited to 10 people and 25 outdoors. All non-essential businesses must close by 9:30 PM (just about everything except for hospitals) and curfew in place (with fines for violations) between 10 PM and 5 AM.

Here is hoping that today’s news of an effective vaccine are real?
Never really understood the limit 10 people? It only takes one to spread to another and another ect.........

Kilmacowen 11-09-2020 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1858375)
Very different approach up north in Massachusetts. 14 day quarantine for anyone coming to the state, unless coming from one of 6 designated low risk states. Masks are mandatory, with a fine for violation, everywhere in public, both indoors and outdoors, even if you can social distance. Indoor gatherings limited to 10 people and 25 outdoors. All non-essential businesses must close by 9:30 PM (just about everything except for hospitals) and curfew in place (with fines for violations) between 10 PM and 5 AM.

Here is hoping that today’s news of an effective vaccine are real?
Yes, and we have a great governor,Republican Charlie Baker a REAL LEADER that everyone respects. Everyone I see is cooperative , masks in every store. No whining about wearing a mask. Hope Golfcoast stays there.

tvbound 11-09-2020 11:16 AM
'Flock' immunity is an unattainable goal for a country this large, but there are plenty who seem to want to try anyway.

Gulfcoast 11-09-2020 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1858387)
Nothing more motivating than lining governments pockets. It’s all about money.
Money, greed, control and power over others. It's sickening.

Villageswimmer 11-09-2020 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1858390)
Never really understood the limit 10 people? It only takes one to spread to another and another ect.........
I think it’s a measure of risk reduction as opposed to risk elimination. Also, it’s a bit easier to enforce. Maybe.

Villageswimmer 11-09-2020 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow (Post 1858361)
Have said things in the past to both Winn Dixie manager and Publix manager. Have not gotten a response that indicates they can consistently take care of the problems. One check out lady told me they are not allowed to say anything to anyone about wearing a mask? Publix is definitely not following through on the company policy even with some employees.
Very unfortunate. Publix has always had such a good reputation for concern for their employees.

Gulfcoast 11-09-2020 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Kilmacowen (Post 1858392)
Yes, and we have a great governor,Republican Charlie Baker a REAL LEADER that everyone respects. Everyone I see is cooperative , masks in every store. No whining about wearing a mask. Hope Golfcoast stays there.
Your state sounds really awful. And I mean really bad. I wouldn't go there if you paid me and gave me a free house. Rest assured, there is pretty much zero chance that I would be coming to your state.

Hopeful2 11-09-2020 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1858384)
I'm sorry but those rules are absolutely asinine. How on earth is that not a violation of constitutional rights? I've heard that a certain someone wants to make mask wearing mandatory nationwide - both indoors and outdoors. People not in compliance will face stiff fines. Pretty soon we'll be sunbathing and swimming in the ocean with masks slapped on our faces.
Newsflash - your constitutional rights are not absolute! Your rights end when they infringe upon the rights of another to be safe. Just as you can not smoke indoors in public places; you can not yell fire in a crowded room when there is none; you can not drive a car without a license; you can not operate a vehicle when intoxicated; etc., etc., etc.

People refusing to wear a mask may as well put a sign on their forehead saying - "I don't give a #h%* about you," because that is clearly what they're saying.

And yes, I am an expert on Constitutional Law.

Art cov 11-09-2020 05:38 PM
They don’t live what they preach! It’s a fact but we don’t matter so they put on a show, and want to demand their regulations on us. Don’t dare violate their rules! Or else

bluedivergirl 11-09-2020 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Hopeful2 (Post 1858550)
Newsflash - your constitutional rights are not absolute! Your rights end when they infringe upon the rights of another to be safe. Just as you can not smoke indoors in public places; you can not yell fire in a crowded room when there is none; you can not drive a car without a license; you can not operate a vehicle when intoxicated; etc., etc., etc.

People refusing to wear a mask may as well put a sign on their forehead saying - "I don't give a #h%* about you," because that is clearly what they're saying.

And yes, I am an expert on Constitutional Law.
The driving analogy doesn't work. Driving is not a right. It is a privilege.

Can't smoke indoors doesn't work either. There is not a constitutional right to smoke anything.

The only one that works is yelling Fire! in a theater. First amendment.

I am surprised a constitutional law expert does not understand that.

Velvet 11-09-2020 06:20 PM
OP, I’m still giggling on your first post. Well put.

coffeebean 11-09-2020 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1858384)
I'm sorry but those rules are absolutely asinine. How on earth is that not a violation of constitutional rights? I've heard that a certain someone wants to make mask wearing mandatory nationwide - both indoors and outdoors. People not in compliance will face stiff fines. Pretty soon we'll be sunbathing and swimming in the ocean with masks slapped on our faces.
Have you actually read or heard that the mask mandates he plans is for outdoors even when social distancing can be maintained? That does not seem necessary. Personally, I will not be wearing a mask when outdoors and no one is anywhere near me. That is just unrealistic to expect people who are exercising outdoors such as jogging, to wear a mask when no one is around them.

I'm a huge proponent of mask wearing indoors in public but never have worn a mask outdoors when I'm not close to anyone.

coffeebean 11-09-2020 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1858390)
Never really understood the limit 10 people? It only takes one to spread to another and another ect.........
Much easier to contact trace and let everyone be aware they have been exposed to the virus. That is the only reason I can come up with.

Kilmacowen 11-09-2020 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1858453)
Your state sounds really awful. And I mean really bad. I wouldn't go there if you paid me and gave me a free house. Rest assured, there is pretty much zero chance that I would be coming to your state.
I was referring to you staying on the gulf coast and not come to TV. Unlike you I live in TV and Ma. You don't live here , have never even been here, so why are you even on this site? Trolling

Hopeful2 11-10-2020 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by bluedivergirl (Post 1858609)
The driving analogy doesn't work. Driving is not a right. It is a privilege.

Can't smoke indoors doesn't work either. There is not a constitutional right to smoke anything.

The only one that works is yelling Fire! in a theater. First amendment.

I am surprised a constitutional law expert does not understand that.
Your understanding of the Constitution is very rudimentary.
Our government has the power to limit individuals' freedom under certain circumstances. Citizens are not free to do whatever they want if government regulations or laws are put into place prohibiting such actions. (Hence, the few simplistic examples I cited - unlicensed driving; intoxication while driving a motor vehicle; smoking where prohibited; inciting unfounded fear and chaos; etc.) The Supreme Court of the United States has long upheld the principal that virtually no constitutional rights are absolute. Most fundamental constitutional rights are protected by the legal concept of "strict scrutiny" but can also be regulated to achieve a “compelling governmental interest.” In addition, the Supreme Court has also found that constitutional rights can be regulated for an even less pressing reason - demanding only a “sufficiently important interest.” I have no doubt that a government regulation calling for masks would, at a minimum, meet the threshold of a "sufficiently important government interest".

I'd be happy to discuss the Constitution with you in greater detail.

Pettys1 11-10-2020 09:28 AM
Then you have a right not to go to those stores just like they have they right to go . You wear your mask don't worry bout what someone else is doing

Pettys1 11-10-2020 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Hopeful2 (Post 1858550)
Newsflash - your constitutional rights are not absolute! Your rights end when they infringe upon the rights of another to be safe. Just as you can not smoke indoors in public places; you can not yell fire in a crowded room when there is none; you can not drive a car without a license; you can not operate a vehicle when intoxicated; etc., etc., etc.

People refusing to wear a mask may as well put a sign on their forehead saying - "I don't give a #h%* about you," because that is clearly what they're saying.

And yes, I am an expert on Constitutional Law.
You have no idea what people are saying if they don't wear a mask. If someone suffers from COPD to wear a mask makes it harder for them to breathe. For those who suffer from asthma could make them have an attack. For those who are claustrophobic it puts them in a panic. So you say well they should just stay home. Why? Maybe you should stay home in your bubble. People have the right to live. But I'm sure most of you would like those who impose on your " mask" wearing binge would rather not have people like this in society. In your eyes they have no right to even live.

coffeebean 11-10-2020 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Pettys1 (Post 1858881)
Then you have a right not to go to those stores just like they have they right to go . You wear your mask don't worry bout what someone else is doing
Spoken by someone who honestly does not understand the reason why everyone should wear a mask.

guitarguy 11-10-2020 10:05 AM
People without a mask may have been through COVID and recovered. They are no danger. Why be angry with them for wearing no mask?
What will happen as we start taking a vaccine? Will some still expect them to wear a mask?

Number 10 GI 11-10-2020 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Hopeful2 (Post 1858724)

Your understanding of the Constitution is very rudimentary.
Our government has the power to limit individuals' freedom under certain circumstances. Citizens are not free to do whatever they want if government regulations or laws are put into place prohibiting such actions. (Hence, the few simplistic examples I cited - unlicensed driving; intoxication while driving a motor vehicle; smoking where prohibited; inciting unfounded fear and chaos; etc.) The Supreme Court of the United States has long upheld the principal that virtually no constitutional rights are absolute. Most fundamental constitutional rights are protected by the legal concept of "strict scrutiny" but can also be regulated to achieve a “compelling governmental interest.” In addition, the Supreme Court has also found that constitutional rights can be regulated for an even less pressing reason - demanding only a “sufficiently important interest.” I have no doubt that a government regulation calling for masks would, at a minimum, meet the threshold of a "sufficiently important government interest".

I'd be happy to discuss the Constitution with you in greater detail.
So in other words the Amendments mean nothing if the government decides it wants to curtail a certain activity.

Zum befehl, Seig Heil!

coffeebean 11-10-2020 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by guitarguy (Post 1858918)
People without a mask may have been through COVID and recovered. They are no danger. Why be angry with them for wearing no mask?
What will happen as we start taking a vaccine? Will some still expect them to wear a mask?
Every time I see someone without a mask I think they must have already had the virus and recovered. I try to believe the best of people. Having said that, I know that is a pipe dream with most people but I say nothing to no one.

Gulfcoast 11-10-2020 05:14 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I think that these masks are unsanitary and unhealthy for people (like retail workers) to be wearing for hours on end. There have been studies showing that wearing these masks increases the rate of respiratory infections because bacteria builds up and breeds in those masks over time.

I do not expect another human being to put their own health at risk to protect mine. If I want to feel safe I will avoid crowds, keep a distance from other people and wear a mask as I deem appropriate. I know that is not a popular opinion here. But that is my view on the subject.

PugMom 11-10-2020 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1859057)
Every time I see someone without a mask I think they must have already had the virus and recovered. I try to believe the best of people. Having said that, I know that is a pipe dream with most people but I say nothing to no one.
i am guilty of not wearing masks. but i really don't want to make you, or anyone else, sick. i stand almost 10 feet away, don't cough, sneeze or even breathe on anyone. in a store aisle, i will let you go first so you don't need to cross my path. i understand there are some who disagree, but to be honest to you, it's general fatigue. we've been @ this so long, --@ some point certain people will respond in a negative way. i was @ 3 superspreader events. thousands of sweaty screaming people packed in like sardines & i didnt get sick, thank God. i must've been exposed to something similar before, or was exposed & have immunity, i'm not sure.

Art cov 11-10-2020 11:47 PM
Yes, if he sticks to it, restaurant’s will be closed. Another said if they get their way, America will be changed. But we can have hope that it won’t happen! Yet. O in some states they are limiting the quantity of purchases, with uncertainty folks maybe stocking up on supplies.

Velvet 11-11-2020 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 1859113)
i am guilty of not wearing masks. but i really don't want to make you, or anyone else, sick. i stand almost 10 feet away, don't cough, sneeze or even breathe on anyone. in a store aisle, i will let you go first so you don't need to cross my path. i understand there are some who disagree, but to be honest to you, it's general fatigue. we've been @ this so long, --@ some point certain people will respond in a negative way. i was @ 3 superspreader events. thousands of sweaty screaming people packed in like sardines & i didnt get sick, thank God. i must've been exposed to something similar before, or was exposed & have immunity, i'm not sure.
I hope you are right, and your good health and good luck may continue.


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