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stephen.q.pankow 11-28-2020 01:16 PM

Is this an Accessible Golf Cart?
 
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Is this an acceptable golf cart? If not, why not, and are there modifications that would make it acceptable? It looks similar to a traditional golf cart, only much more rugged and versatile. Plus, at $8k it's about half the cost of a new Yamaha. Even if I had to swap out the wheels and tires and install a speed governator it would still be a bargain. Also, especially with its camo paint, it would be easy to spot among the crowd of more traditional golf carts that fill the parking lots.

dewilson58 11-28-2020 01:19 PM

Top Speed???

dewilson58 11-28-2020 01:23 PM

“Golf Cart means a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.” Fla. Stat. § 320.01(22).

OrangeBlossomBaby 11-28-2020 01:25 PM

That isn't a golf cart at all, acceptable, accessible, or otherwise. It's a UTV designed for off-road low-weight hauling. It comes with a winch. You wouldn't be able to drive it on a golf cart path or multi-modal path, and as far as I can tell you wouldn't be able to drive it on any major state road (such as 441, 466, etc) either.

stephen.q.pankow 11-28-2020 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1867096)
“Golf Cart means a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.” Fla. Stat. § 320.01(22).

Well, dang! I figured that there was a reason why people keep paying twice as much for something not quite as good. I suspect the golf cart manufacturers spent a good amount of money lobbying for this wording.

Thanks for tracking down the statute. Now I know.

tophcfa 11-28-2020 05:36 PM

That is not a golf cart, it is a 4X4 UTV designed for off-road all terrain use. The engine is about a full 1/3 more powerful than a Yamaha Quiet Tech and that thing will probably do 50 MPH. Those tires would rip up a golf course.

Decadeofdave 11-28-2020 08:23 PM

You could buy that for 8K and convert it to a golf cart for 9K !

DeanFL 11-28-2020 08:40 PM

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I saw this same vehicle - at Lowes right? Noticed the price - yikes - had the same fleeting thought then....nah. Always knew that golf cart mfrs and retailers made crazy LOADS of profit on carts, esp in TV. Let's face it - you can get a new CAR for a few thousand $$$ more than a loaded new golf cart.

Case in point - just googled. A REAL new car, with all the safety stuff:

2020 Toyota Yaris LE Hatchback MSRP $17,750

The 2020 Toyota Yaris hatchback is a four-door subcompact sold in two trims. The LE is fairly lightly equipped but packs a few desirable features, among them Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. Under the hood of every Yaris is a 1.5-liter four-cylinder engine (106 horsepower, 103 lb-ft of torque) that drives the front wheels through a six-speed automatic transmission.
Standard Yaris LE features include 16-inch alloy wheels, heated mirrors, foglights, keyless entry and ignition, a 60/40-split rear seat, a 7-inch touchscreen, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto connectivity, and a six-speaker audio system. You also get forward collision warning with automatic emergency braking at low speeds.

Bill14564 11-28-2020 08:53 PM

It looks like this memo, from the districtgov.org MMP information page, might have some useful information.

If there are additional CDD regulations can someone provide a link?

npwalters 11-28-2020 10:13 PM

The base price for a Yamaha Drive 2 PTV - when bought outside TV - is about $6,500. My 2019 model was $6,350. The add ons or buying in TV drive the price up quick.

John_W 11-28-2020 10:26 PM

When looking for a bargain on golf carts, don't just shop in TV. Go 20 miles south to Webster Florida and get a new Yamaha gas cart for about $7,500, a place called I-4 Power.

Golf Carts - I4 POWER EQUIPMENT

http://www.i-4power.com/uploads/1/6/...65061_orig.jpg

Skunky1 11-29-2020 06:18 AM

Where is that car made?

banjobob 11-29-2020 06:41 AM

Too ugly for me lol camo on a golf course ?

Dav802 11-29-2020 07:58 AM

And where does one get a 2019 Yamaha for that price?

OhioBuckeye 11-29-2020 08:44 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1867199)
That is not a golf cart, it is a 4X4 UTV designed for off-road all terrain use. The engine is about a full 1/3 more powerful than a Yamaha Quiet Tech and that thing will probably do 50 MPH. Those tires would rip up a golf course.

I agree with what you said! Besides I think the picture is considered an ATV, & considered a golf cart I don’t think so. Even if it is an (All Terrain Vehical)

ts12755 11-29-2020 09:21 AM

Your asking the wrong people. Take that pic to Village carts and ask them.

ScottS 11-29-2020 09:24 AM

Why do some Villagers feel like they are so much better than others? The original poster merely asked a simple question. And then is lambasted by insults. Nice. A lot of villagers turn their carts up to go faster than 20 mph, are you going to bash them as well? A simple yes or no followed by a simple explanation would of and did suffice. But then to go on to insult him was just rude, but such is life here in the villages “America’s friendliest retirement community”.

Tmcbryan 11-29-2020 09:27 AM

At a minimum different tires. Call Víllages golf in Sumter

allenpegg1@gmail.com 11-29-2020 09:29 AM

I think those that react to the original question with the hateful responses should spend a bit more time in church. As for me, I'd truly enjoy riding around TV in an ATV or a dune buggy - but just not on the golf courses.

dewilson58 11-29-2020 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottS (Post 1867449)
Why do some Villagers feel like they are so much better than others? The original poster merely asked a simple question. And then is lambasted by insults. Nice. .

:bigbow:

airstreamingypsy 11-29-2020 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by banjobob (Post 1867323)
Too ugly for me lol camo on a golf course ?

Right? You would have to keep trying to find it after you took your shot.

EviesGP 11-29-2020 10:35 AM

I've seen these and others(i.e. maintenance ATVs) on cart paths, so I don't think you have any issue there. As for the speed, as long as you're not caught exceeding, you're fine(many golf carts are turned up a bit). But the tires, definitely have to change. There is a list of acceptable tires that are allowed on golf courses, to prevent damage. You'll definitely have to comply with that, even though many course maintenance carts and mowers do much more damage(which I observed as an Ambassador). Good luck. And ignore the negative comments!

KRM0614 11-29-2020 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1867251)
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I saw this same vehicle - at Lowes right? Noticed the price - yikes - had the same fleeting thought then....nah. Always knew that golf cart mfrs and retailers made crazy LOADS of profit on carts, esp in TV. Let's face it - you can get a new CAR for a few thousand $$$ more than a loaded new golf cart.

Case in point - just googled. A REAL new car, with all the safety stuff:

2020 Toyota Yaris LE Hatchback MSRP $17,750

The 2020 Toyota Yaris hatchback is a four-door subcompact sold in two trims. The LE is fairly lightly equipped but packs a few desirable features, among them Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. Under the hood of every Yaris is a 1.5-liter four-cylinder engine (106 horsepower, 103 lb-ft of torque) that drives the front wheels through a six-speed automatic transmission.
Standard Yaris LE features include 16-inch alloy wheels, heated mirrors, foglights, keyless entry and ignition, a 60/40-split rear seat, a 7-inch touchscreen, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto connectivity, and a six-speaker audio system. You also get forward collision warning with automatic emergency braking at low speeds.

I love your post ! Smart and on point

tophcfa 11-29-2020 11:05 AM

Too wide to fit in narrow lane on Lake Sumter bridge and would most likely be to tall to go through tunnels in Lopez area. And most importantly, where do the golf clubs go?

Don’t get me wrong, these UTV’s are really cool rides. We use the Polaris version of these for hunting at our friends place in New Hampshire and have a blast with them. But definitely not appropriate for the MMP’s in the Villages.

mrf6969 11-29-2020 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1867281)
When looking for a bargain on golf carts, don't just shop in TV. Go 20 miles south to Webster Florida and get a new Yamaha gas cart for about $7,500, a place called I-4 Power.

Golf Carts - I4 POWER EQUIPMENT

http://www.i-4power.com/uploads/1/6/...65061_orig.jpg

Those carts at I-4 Power are stripped down small tired very basic carts, not Village Ready carts. Add ALL the upgrades and what does it tally to above the $7500. price?

Hiltongrizz11 11-29-2020 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1867199)
That is not a golf cart, it is a 4X4 UTV designed for off-road all terrain use. The engine is about a full 1/3 more powerful than a Yamaha Quiet Tech and that thing will probably do 50 MPH. Those tires would rip up a golf course.


Lol it's a WHOLE lot more powerful than 1/3 of a golf cart. This thing would pull 4 of them through a mudhole and tear up the ground like a backhoe would

John_W 11-29-2020 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mrf6969 (Post 1867582)
Those carts at I-4 Power are stripped down small tired very basic carts, not Village Ready carts. Add ALL the upgrades and what does it tally to above the $7500. price?

If the fellow is not a golfer, how many extras does he really need. Sure you can spend $1500 on just new seats alone and $800 on a Sunbrella shade, but here's a fellow that would of been happy with an $8,000 UTV, and in his mind a golf cart is twice the price, he's thinking $16,000 and he's apparently looked no further than TV. I was just trying to set his mind right and to realize there are many options if you just leave the bubble. Look at a basic cart and and what you might need to add just to drive on our MMP, you could certainly come close in price to the UTV, which would also require some changes to be made to operate here.

mrrmauu 11-29-2020 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottS (Post 1867449)
Why do some Villagers feel like they are so much better than others? The original poster merely asked a simple question. And then is lambasted by insults. Nice. A lot of villagers turn their carts up to go faster than 20 mph, are you going to bash them as well? A simple yes or no followed by a simple explanation would of and did suffice. But then to go on to insult him was just rude, but such is life here in the villages “America’s friendliest retirement community”.

I agree the tone here can be testy at times but I reviewed the original post and subsequent replies and did not see a single insult or nasty comment. It appears everyone’s reply was directly related to the original post.

dewilson58 11-29-2020 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mrrmauu (Post 1867651)
I agree the tone here can be testy at times but I reviewed the original post and subsequent replies and did not see a single insult or nasty comment. It appears everyone’s reply was directly related to the original post.

By the time you arrived, the comments were deleted.

NavyVet 11-29-2020 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottS (Post 1867449)
... but such is life here in the villages “America’s friendliest retirement community”.

TV was also known for many years as "Disney World for Seniors" and people often talk about living in "the bubble" of TV.
These days it seems more accurate to describe TV as a cross between "Stepford for Seniors" and "The Dome." LOL

Marathon Man 11-29-2020 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottS (Post 1867449)
Why do some Villagers feel like they are so much better than others? The original poster merely asked a simple question. And then is lambasted by insults. Nice. A lot of villagers turn their carts up to go faster than 20 mph, are you going to bash them as well? A simple yes or no followed by a simple explanation would of and did suffice. But then to go on to insult him was just rude, but such is life here in the villages “America’s friendliest retirement community”.

I saw nothing that would fit this response.

Why do some villagers feel the need to accuse others of "bashing".

NoMoSno 11-29-2020 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1867732)
I saw nothing that would fit this response.

Why do some villagers feel the need to accuse others of "bashing".

You don't see them because the nasty posts have been removed.

tophcfa 11-29-2020 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiltongrizz11 (Post 1867628)
Lol it's a WHOLE lot more powerful than 1/3 of a golf cart. This thing would pull 4 of them through a mudhole and tear up the ground like a backhoe would

Actually, I did a little research and converted the horsepower in a Yamaha quiet tech to the cc’s of the UTV, and then calculated the difference in cc’s to a percentage and came up with a 32% power increase. That being said, the difference in the drivetrain would give the UTV much more high end speed than 1/3 while in 2wd high, and a serious amount of more torque while in 4wd low.

tophcfa 11-29-2020 07:57 PM

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OK, let's put some facts to this thread so it is understood, this is something I know a lot about. Below are two pictures, the two ATVs (All Terrain Vehicles) in the first picture are mine. The picture was taken this afternoon at our home up north. The red Honda is a 2002 450CC Honda Foreman. It is old technology, reliable, but the rider takes a beating on rough terrain. The green Yamaha is a 2011 550CC Yamaha Grizzly with lots of upgrades from the Honda, including independent rear suspension (every bump does not go straight up the riders spinal cord), automatic constant variable transmission, and power steering. Both are great rides and lots of fun. The second picture is our friends Polaris UTV (Utility Terrain Vehicle). The Polaris has all the high tech features and is similar, but very upgraded, to the picture the OP posted to start this thread. Both types of vehicles are substantially the same, the big difference is that the ATV only accommodates one rider and uses handlebars to steer. The UTV is basically an ATV with a wider frame and seats for a driver and passenger and uses a steering wheel instead of handlebars. UTV's also have a rear dump cart for carrying cargo, versus a rear rack for an ATV. I often see UTV's used by workers along the MMP's because they can bring tools and materials and it is a working vehicle. Both ATV's and UTV's typically have both two and four wheel drive and have a high and low transmission setting. In four wheel low, they can plow deep snow, tow lots of weight, and drive through just about anything including deep mud holes and very rocky terrain. I love to rock crawl trails through the woods in my Yamaha ATV. In two wheel high, these machines will do 60 MPH, but I would not advise it. The tires in these vehicles are very aggressive and will rip up sod easily. The recommended PSI of air in the tires is 3.5 PSI. These tires are part of the vehicles suspension system that allows them to grip loose train and go through mud with ease and it softens the ride.

Now let's talk golf carts. I own two gas golf carts in the Villages. A Yamaha and a Club Car, both EFI's. These vehicles have the equivalent of about 350 CC's of power and their drive train has one speed and are two wheel drive. The carts maximum speed is 20MPH and I keep the tires between 28 - 32 PSI. The tires are designed to inflict minimum damage on turf and these carts are made to be driven on very smooth surfaces.

All of the referenced vehicles in this post are excellent, but very different. I love my ATV's and our friends UTV, but neither of them have any place in the villages (unless you are a maintenance worker using a UTV).

Hope this clarifies things for those not familiar with ATV and UTV's.

Have a great day.

CFrance 11-29-2020 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1867821)
OK, let's put some facts to this thread so it is understood, this is something I know a lot about. Below are two pictures, the two ATVs (All Terrain Vehicles) in the first picture are mine. The picture was taken this afternoon at our home up north. The red Honda is a 2002 450CC Honda Foreman. It is old technology, reliable, but the rider takes a beating on rough terrain. The green Yamaha is a 2011 550CC Yamaha Grizzly with lots of upgrades from the Honda, including independent rear suspension (every bump does not go straight up the riders spinal cord), automatic constant variable transmission, and power steering. Both are great rides and lots of fun. The second picture is our friends Polaris UTV (Utility Terrain Vehicle). The Polaris has all the high tech features and is similar, but very upgraded, to the picture the OP posted to start this thread. Both types of vehicles are substantially the same, the big difference is that the ATV only accommodates one rider and uses handlebars to steer. The UTV is basically an ATV with a wider frame and seats for a driver and passenger and uses a steering wheel instead of handlebars. UTV's also have a rear dump cart for carrying cargo, versus a rear rack for an ATV. I often see UTV's used by workers along the MMP's because they can bring tools and materials and it is a working vehicle. Both ATV's and UTV's typically have both two and four wheel drive and have a high and low transmission setting. In four wheel low, they can plow deep snow, tow lots of weight, and drive through just about anything including deep mud holes and very rocky terrain. I love to rock crawl trails through the woods in my Yamaha ATV. In two wheel high, these machines will do 60 MPH, but I would not advise it. The tires in these vehicles are very aggressive and will rip up sod easily. The recommended PSI of air in the tires is 3.5 PSI. These tires are part of the vehicles suspension system that allows them to grip loose train and go through mud with ease and it softens the ride.

Now let's talk golf carts. I own two gas golf carts in the Villages. A Yamaha and a Club Car, both EFI's. These vehicles have the equivalent of about 350 CC's of power and their drive train has one speed and are two wheel drive. The carts maximum speed is 20MPH and I keep the tires between 28 - 32 PSI. The tires are designed to inflict minimum damage on turf and these carts are made to be driven on very smooth surfaces.

All of the referenced vehicles in this post are excellent, but very different. I love my ATV's and our friends UTV, but neither of them have any place in the villages (unless you are a maintenance worker using a UTV).

Hope this clarifies things for those not familiar with ATV and UTV's.

Have a great day.

Thank you for the explanation, and may I say what a great-looking pup!

mydavid 11-30-2020 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1867251)
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I saw this same vehicle - at Lowes right? Noticed the price - yikes - had the same fleeting thought then....nah. Always knew that golf cart mfrs and retailers made crazy LOADS of profit on carts, esp in TV. Let's face it - you can get a new CAR for a few thousand $$$ more than a loaded new golf cart.

Case in point - just googled. A REAL new car, with all the safety stuff:

2020 Toyota Yaris LE Hatchback MSRP $17,750

The 2020 Toyota Yaris hatchback is a four-door subcompact sold in two trims. The LE is fairly lightly equipped but packs a few desirable features, among them Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. Under the hood of every Yaris is a 1.5-liter four-cylinder engine (106 horsepower, 103 lb-ft of torque) that drives the front wheels through a six-speed automatic transmission.
Standard Yaris LE features include 16-inch alloy wheels, heated mirrors, foglights, keyless entry and ignition, a 60/40-split rear seat, a 7-inch touchscreen, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto connectivity, and a six-speaker audio system. You also get forward collision warning with automatic emergency braking at low speeds.

No doubt a fancy golf cart can cost you as much as a cheep car, but that's not the point, you can't drive your car on a golf course, or the ability to enjoy a community with over 100 miles of trails to drive on, not to mention the parking, If nothing else its just cool.:welcome:


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