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neilbcox 12-01-2020 07:35 PM

Reasonable Accommodations (RA) golf approval for 2021
 
Many of you know that starting in January 2021 that RA registrations for golf carts will require a Florida issued legal handicap status! Your doctor will NO longer be able to sign your application.

This change will be great for improving around the greens conditions on our golf courses! If you are not legally handicapped you will have to follow the cart rules as the rest of us have to follow. I live on Bonifay CC Destin course. You would be stunned with the RA crazy parking ON and around the greens.

Hopefully the Villages Management did not change this RA rule lately!

This is really fair to those who are legally handicapped!

retiredguy123 12-01-2020 07:56 PM

What about all the people who have "legal" Florida handicap status, but who shouldn't have it? Isn't that approved with just a doctor's signature also? It seems to me that the approval standard for golf cart use isn't any different from the Florida approval standard for regular road vehicles.

dewilson58 12-01-2020 08:12 PM

My guess is 17 posts.

Fredman 12-01-2020 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1868579)
My guess is 17 posts.

I will take the over

EdFNJ 12-01-2020 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1868574)
What about all the people who have "legal" Florida handicap status, but who shouldn't have it? Isn't that approved with just a doctor's signature also? It seems to me that the approval standard for golf cart use isn't any different from the Florida approval standard for regular road vehicles.

80%* of the VEHICLES around here have handicap plates around here anyway which means 80%* of the golfers qualify so not sure how new rule would help. Probably will be more who now are aware! ;)

Disclaimer: I don't play golf but I always wondered why so many carts are all over the fairways here and right up to the greens. Never noticed that up north on the local county courses when we went to the park.

*Please note the 80% number I used above was just pulled out of the, errr, AIR and was not meant to have any basis in reality. Sorry if that caused any users any discomfort by thinking it was an actual statistic! :1rotfl:

Brownmoose13 12-01-2020 11:18 PM

This past March I was playing behind 4 IDIOTS who parked their carts between the sand trap and the green. Finally I saw an ambassador and we told him but he said there was nothing he could do. They should have had their golf privileges taken away for 30 days, 60 days for a second violation. You would think that 1 of the 4 would have enough brains to know better but I guess not. I see way too many golfers that no more look handicapped than the man in the moon....just too lazy to walk

tsmall22204 12-02-2020 06:11 AM

I think your 80% number is high. Please let us know where your data is from. Exaggeration is not science.

DaleDivine 12-02-2020 06:45 AM

Cap
 
[QUOTE=neilbcox;1868568]Many of you know that starting in January 2021 that RA registrations for golf carts will require a Florida issued legal handicap status! Your doctor will NO longer be able to sign your application.

Not sure what you mean by doctor not being able to sign for a handicap pass.
My doctor signed for mine and my wife's handicap passes.
AND just because a person doesn't appear to be disabled, you really don't know what their disability is. DON'T PASS judgement.

daddys55 12-02-2020 07:04 AM

How can you look and tell if a person is handicapped

manhattan 12-02-2020 07:08 AM

Golf Cart Fairways
 
Live on #4 Silver Lake cart path runs right along fairway (which is narrow) to within 20 steps of green yet players drive up the middle of the fairway with front wheels on edge of green. Most of these players look healthy and walk around the green fine how lazy can you be?



[QUOTE=DaleDivine;1868668]
Quote:

Originally Posted by neilbcox (Post 1868568)
Many of you know that starting in January 2021 that RA registrations for golf carts will require a Florida issued legal handicap status! Your doctor will NO longer be able to sign your application.

Not sure what you mean by doctor not being able to sign for a handicap pass.
My doctor signed for mine and my wife's handicap passes.
AND just because a person doesn't appear to be disabled, you really don't know what their disability is. DON'T PASS judgement.


Mrmean58 12-02-2020 07:10 AM

I think what OP was trying to say was that your doctor can't just sign your RA application and in all honesty many applications weren't signed by doctors but by someone else to make it look like a doctor. Not all but some. Now a doctor must review the application and make sure an individual meets the physical limitations standards set by the state before the application is accepted for a handicap placard.

Bill1701 12-02-2020 07:12 AM

[QUOTE=DaleDivine;1868668]
Quote:

Originally Posted by neilbcox (Post 1868568)
Many of you know that starting in January 2021 that RA registrations for golf carts will require a Florida issued legal handicap status! Your doctor will NO longer be able to sign your application.

Not sure what you mean by doctor not being able to sign for a handicap pass.
My doctor signed for mine and my wife's handicap passes.
AND just because a person doesn't appear to be disabled, you really don't know what their disability is. DON'T PASS judgement.

If they didn't pass judgement, many people here would have nothing to do all day.

DecaturFargo 12-02-2020 07:19 AM

Entitled folks. The Ambassadors are so limited in what they can say. Argue with a golfer and you will get fired. Just another Morse rule. Ridiculous, isn't it.

pkfavreau2 12-02-2020 08:00 AM

I had a knee replacement last year and using an RA for a short time allowed me to play golf. I only drove on the course if it had hills I could not navigate. The new rule will be awful for those who are in a boot temporarily, awaiting surgery or have a short term disability.

fastboat 12-02-2020 08:12 AM

[QUOTE=manhattan;1868688]Live on #4 Silver Lake cart path runs right along fairway (which is narrow) to within 20 steps of green yet players drive up the middle of the fairway with front wheels on edge of green. Most of these players look healthy and walk around the green fine how lazy can you be?
Heart problems are not visible

Singerlady 12-02-2020 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brownmoose13 (Post 1868624)
This past March I was playing behind 4 IDIOTS who parked their carts between the sand trap and the green. Finally I saw an ambassador and we told him but he said there was nothing he could do. They should have had their golf privileges taken away for 30 days, 60 days for a second violation. You would think that 1 of the 4 would have enough brains to know better but I guess not. I see way too many golfers that no more look handicapped than the man in the moon....just too lazy to walk

Sometimes the handicaps are internal… Like a heart condition. So we cannot judge just physical handicaps.

Singerlady 12-02-2020 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brownmoose13 (Post 1868624)
This past March I was playing behind 4 IDIOTS who parked their carts between the sand trap and the green. Finally I saw an ambassador and we told him but he said there was nothing he could do. They should have had their golf privileges taken away for 30 days, 60 days for a second violation. You would think that 1 of the 4 would have enough brains to know better but I guess not. I see way too many golfers that no more look handicapped than the man in the moon....just too lazy to walk

Sometimes handicaps are internal and not external.… Such as a heart condition.

mulligan 12-02-2020 08:23 AM

[QUOTE=DaleDivine;1868668]
Quote:

Originally Posted by neilbcox (Post 1868568)
Many of you know that starting in January 2021 that RA registrations for golf carts will require a Florida issued legal handicap status! Your doctor will NO longer be able to sign your application.

Not sure what you mean by doctor not being able to sign for a handicap pass.
My doctor signed for mine and my wife's handicap passes.
AND just because a person doesn't appear to be disabled, you really don't know what their disability is. DON'T PASS judgement.


Cheapbas 12-02-2020 08:25 AM

[QUOTE=DaleDivine;1868668]
Quote:

Originally Posted by neilbcox (Post 1868568)
Many of you know that starting in January 2021 that RA registrations for golf carts will require a Florida issued legal handicap status! Your doctor will NO longer be able to sign your application.

Not sure what you mean by doctor not being able to sign for a handicap pass.
My doctor signed for mine and my wife's handicap passes.
AND just because a person doesn't appear to be disabled, you really don't know what their disability is. DON'T PASS judgement.

Excellent point, they don’t have a knee brace solution for a heart or asthma condition

fastboat 12-02-2020 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neilbcox (Post 1868568)
Many of you know that starting in January 2021 that RA registrations for golf carts will require a Florida issued legal handicap status! Your doctor will NO longer be able to sign your application.

This change will be great for improving around the greens conditions on our golf courses! If you are not legally handicapped you will have to follow the cart rules as the rest of us have to follow. I live on Bonifay CC Destin course. You would be stunned with the RA crazy parking ON and around the greens.

Hopefully the Villages Management did not change this RA rule lately!

This is really fair to those who are legally handicapped!

Heart problems are NOT visible.

golfing eagles 12-02-2020 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pkfavreau2 (Post 1868740)
I had a knee replacement last year and using an RA for a short time allowed me to play golf. I only drove on the course if it had hills I could not navigate. The new rule will be awful for those who are in a boot temporarily, awaiting surgery or have a short term disability.

Not so. State handicap forms have a line for the expected time the disability will end, at least in NY. So a person recovering from surgery can get a handicap permit for a few months

holger danske 12-02-2020 08:41 AM

new CAP regulations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neilbcox (Post 1868568)
Many of you know that starting in January 2021 that RA registrations for golf carts will require a Florida issued legal handicap status! Your doctor will NO longer be able to sign your application.

This change will be great for improving around the greens conditions on our golf courses! If you are not legally handicapped you will have to follow the cart rules as the rest of us have to follow. I live on Bonifay CC Destin course. You would be stunned with the RA crazy parking ON and around the greens.

Hopefully the Villages Management did not change this RA rule lately!

This is really fair to those who are legally handicapped!

"Assignment of Course Access Pass cards will be issued only to those individuals who have a state certified disabled parking permit. A valid handicap placard, along with a valid ID / driver’s license and registration will need to be presented to the Golf Administration offices to obtain or renew a CAP Card."

Looking for where it says Florida issued only. Am I missing something?

Colleen Kelley-Rogers 12-02-2020 08:44 AM

RA and Golf Carts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neilbcox (Post 1868568)
Many of you know that starting in January 2021 that RA registrations for golf carts will require a Florida issued legal handicap status! Your doctor will NO longer be able to sign your application.

This change will be great for improving around the greens conditions on our golf courses! If you are not legally handicapped you will have to follow the cart rules as the rest of us have to follow. I live on Bonifay CC Destin course. You would be stunned with the RA crazy parking ON and around the greens.

Hopefully the Villages Management did not change this RA rule lately!

This is really fair to those who are legally handicapped!

REMINDER: Unless FL LAW has changed golf cars are NOT ALLOWED to park in any handicap parking spaces at any shopping centers, grocery stores, etc. If you are truly handicapped and have a FL Handicap tag or DV tag and need to park close by, DRIVE YOUR VEHICLE not your golf cart to those places. Lady Lake Police are not doing enough to ticket golf carts parked in handicap parking spaces. Please be mindful.

drcar 12-02-2020 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DecaturFargo (Post 1868696)
Entitled folks. The Ambassadors are so limited in what they can say. Argue with a golfer and you will get fired. Just another Morse rule. Ridiculous, isn't it.

Another post with no facts to back it up, No ambassador has been fired for informing the golfer of the proper golf rules.

mabgo1 12-02-2020 08:59 AM

Everyone is allowed to ride on Silver Lake. You don't need an RA.
 
[QUOTE=manhattan;1868688]Live on #4 Silver Lake cart path runs right along fairway (which is narrow) to within 20 steps of green yet players drive up the middle of the fairway with front wheels on edge of green. Most of these players look healthy and walk around the green fine how lazy can you be?




billethkid 12-02-2020 09:04 AM

[QUOTE=mulligan;1868772]
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaleDivine (Post 1868668)

It means you will have to have a handicap plate for your automobile, not a blue hanging tag, in order to get an RA tag for your cart.

Not correct.
The new system requires a blue hanging placard application signed by your doctor then issued by the state of FL. Renewable after the designated expiration date. Then take the blue hanging placard and permit to golf management (Lake Sumter Landing) for issuance of sleeve for the golf cart (which must be renewed annually).

rwfisher1969 12-02-2020 09:12 AM

[QUOTE=DaleDivine;1868668]
Quote:

Originally Posted by neilbcox (Post 1868568)
Many of you know that starting in January 2021 that RA registrations for golf carts will require a Florida issued legal handicap status! Your doctor will NO longer be able to sign your application.

Not sure what you mean by doctor not being able to sign for a handicap pass.
My doctor signed for mine and my wife's handicap passes.
AND just because a person doesn't appear to be disabled, you really don't know what their disability is. DON'T PASS judgement.

Having a disability does not give pass holders the right to drive right up onto the fringe to park to go putt. I have seen this in TV and at home in NY. People can park close enough without being ignorant about causing damage.

Linnberg 12-02-2020 09:20 AM

[QUOTE=mulligan;1868772]
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaleDivine (Post 1868668)

It means you will have to have a handicap plate for your automobile, not a blue hanging tag, in order to get an RA tag for your cart.

That is incorrect. Blue handicap tag from the state of FL is the same as a handicap license.
The way it works is you must get an approval first from your doctor and since it is not for getting a golf cart handicap but an actual state handicap license or blue tag, doctor are way more restricted and careful before approving as state can review. Doctors who hand them out like candy.
My hubby went to his heart doctor because he has 11 stints in his legs among multiple other conditions.
He had his office check if it should approved.
He took that to the MV departments who approved and asked if he would prefer a new license handicap
Plate or Blue handicap tag.
My hubby didn’t want his license plate showing handicap so he got blue tag instead.
Took all to golf department and now has the new golf handicap good for current and future.

dewilson58 12-02-2020 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neilbcox (Post 1868568)
This change will be great for improving around the greens conditions on our golf courses!

Vast Majority of the players with RA' use them appropriately and are needed. There is not great damage to the areas around the greens. There are a few bozo's out there and they will continue with or without a change in the requirements.

neilbcox 12-02-2020 09:33 AM

Reread my post! My wife is handicapped so I judge no one!

My point is you MUST be a Florida handicapped holder. The Villagers golf will no longer accept a note from your doctor stating that they think you need assistance.

neilbcox 12-02-2020 09:33 AM

[QUOTE=DaleDivine;1868668]
Quote:

Originally Posted by neilbcox (Post 1868568)
Many of you know that starting in January 2021 that RA registrations for golf carts will require a Florida issued legal handicap status! Your doctor will NO longer be able to sign your application.

Not sure what you mean by doctor not being able to sign for a handicap pass.
My doctor signed for mine and my wife's handicap passes.
AND just because a person doesn't appear to be disabled, you really don't know what their disability is. DON'T PASS judgement.

Reread my post! My wife is handicapped so I judge no one!

My point is you MUST be a Florida handicapped holder. The Villagers golf will no longer accept a note from your doctor stating that they think you need assistance.

Waltdisney4life 12-02-2020 09:38 AM

I think the over and under should be closer to 50 as long as they don’t close the thread.

neilbcox 12-02-2020 09:40 AM

[QUOTE=mulligan;1868772]
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaleDivine (Post 1868668)

It means you will have to have a handicap plate for your automobile, not a blue hanging tag, in order to get an RA tag for your cart.

I did not say you have to have a handicapped tag...a blue placket will work. When you receive a Florida handicap plate/placket you receive a receipt showing your data. This is what they will accept.

OBRight 12-02-2020 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by holger danske (Post 1868787)
"Assignment of Course Access Pass cards will be issued only to those individuals who have a state certified disabled parking permit. A valid handicap placard, along with a valid ID / driver’s license and registration will need to be presented to the Golf Administration offices to obtain or renew a CAP Card."

Looking for where it says Florida issued only. Am I missing something?

It's not Florida only. We are back and forth between here and our home in Alabama. Just yesterday I took in my Alabama blue hanging placard, Alabama drivers license, car registration and Villages ID and got my CAP card. My primary vehicle has a handicap license plate and I have the hanging blue placard for when we're in my wife's car. I'm limited to only playing 9 holes these days but I still enjoy it.

ken.yotz 12-02-2020 09:57 AM

I don't look handicapped until you see me walk with a limp and slowly. The standard RA rules actually benefit everyone since they speed up play. The "cuffs" must be displayed on your cart and renewed each year at a cost of $6 or $8. There is also a special type of cart for golfers with greater limitations. It is available at limited locations (including Evans Prarie) and allows the golfer to not just get within 15' of the green, but to go onto the green without causing damage. My only knowledge of these is through my neighbor whose wife uses it. Perhaps some starter or ambassador out there can add to this.

stanley 12-02-2020 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ken.yotz (Post 1868855)
There is also a special type of cart for golfers with greater limitations. It is available at limited locations (including Evans Prarie) and allows the golfer to not just get within 15' of the green, but to go onto the green without causing damage. My only knowledge of these is through my neighbor whose wife uses it. Perhaps some starter or ambassador out there can add to this.

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regansings 12-02-2020 10:14 AM

What about those that have handicapped plates from out of state? That should be sufficient.

TimeForChange 12-02-2020 10:17 AM

80%?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1868621)
80% of the VEHICLES around here have handicap plates around here anyway which means 80% of the golfers qualify so not sure how new rule would help. Probably will be more who now are aware! ;)

Disclaimer: I don't play golf but I always wondered why so many carts are all over the fairways here and right up to the greens. Never noticed that up north on the local county courses when we went to the park.

and where did you get that number?:ohdear:

stanley 12-02-2020 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by regansings (Post 1868862)
What about those that have handicapped plates from out of state? That should be sufficient.

"Assignment of Course Access Pass cards will be issued only to those individuals who
have a state certified disabled parking permit."

It's all right here: (again)

https://www.golfthevillages.com/whatsnew/Cap2021.pdf

bagboy 12-02-2020 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by regansings (Post 1868862)
What about those that have handicapped plates from out of state? That should be sufficient.

See post #34.


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