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TCRSO 12-09-2020 08:00 AM

Roof Cost for Gardenia
 
Considering a Gardenia model. It would need a new roof soon. Would like an idea of replacement cost. If you have info on cost your input would be welcomed.

Thanks

Kahuna32162 12-09-2020 10:49 AM

We have a stretched Gardenia, approx 2600 sf. New roof is going in the first week of January for 28k. Solar panels and lightning arrestors have to be removed and replaced as well.

retiredguy123 12-09-2020 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kahuna32162 (Post 1871359)
We have a stretched Gardenia, approx 2600 sf. New roof is going in the first week of January for 28k. Solar panels and lightning arrestors have to be removed and replaced as well.

That price seems very high. Did you get 3 competitive quotes?

Kahuna32162 12-09-2020 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1871367)
That price seems very high. Did you get 3 competitive quotes?

Yes, and this is the one the insurance company picked.

Arctic Fox 12-09-2020 12:34 PM

$15-18k

give Eustis roofing a call

CWGUY 12-09-2020 04:06 PM

:oops: You need to know how many square your roof is...... not how many sq. ft. your house is. Next you need to ask for the price per square. Ask each roofing company what they get per square...... then you can compare quotes. There are web sites to measure your roof without coming to your house. Sack Roofing used one to give us a quote. He also told us how much per square. :ho:

charlieo1126@gmail.com 12-09-2020 04:35 PM

28k way overpriced

vintageogauge 12-09-2020 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CWGUY (Post 1871504)
:oops: You need to know how many square your roof is...... not how many sq. ft. your house is. Next you need to ask for the price per square. Ask each roofing company what they get per square...... then you can compare quotes. There are web sites to measure your roof without coming to your house. Sack Roofing used one to give us a quote. He also told us how much per square. :ho:

He is not asking for a quote, he is merely asking what other Gardenia owners paid for a new roof, doesn't need a measurement to get a general idea.

perrjojo 12-09-2020 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 1871514)
28k way overpriced

He has solar panels and lightning rods to be removed and replaced. That is an additional charge.

RICH1 12-09-2020 06:23 PM

9-10 K tops.

HeleneGB 12-10-2020 05:45 AM

12 - 14k
Certified Roofing is great

Maryland04 12-10-2020 06:42 AM

You need to check with your intendede insurance company because in fl they will not write a policy if the roof is not passible at closing.

woderfulwendy1 12-10-2020 06:44 AM

Call Secure roofing, if you need a roof, they will get it done for what ever the Insurance company will pay with just the deductible, out if pocket. If you truly need a roof.

BoatRatKat 12-10-2020 07:09 AM

Just had one put on 2 weeks ago, $16,000.

Alaska Butch 12-10-2020 07:13 AM

I see a large range. I will tell you the costs have gone up. I have a double wide on the old side. I got three quotes from what is the best reviewed in TV. McHale, Eustis and Batterbee. Range was 9,100 to 10,100. Yours is probably double the size with removal and install of items even adding more. My quotes are within the last couple weeks.

Singerlady 12-10-2020 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCRSO (Post 1871232)
Considering a Gardenia model. It would need a new roof soon. Would like an idea of replacement cost. If you have info on cost your input would be welcomed.

Thanks

You are getting robbed! I hope you got at least two other quotes.

Singerlady 12-10-2020 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 1871518)
He has solar panels and lightning rods to be removed and replaced. That is an additional charge.

Ok... now I understand. That is an important part of your quote.

stadry 12-10-2020 07:38 AM

imo, those are high however my only comparison is past 6 mos in atl,,, tearoff, new felt, reshingle w/235# arch - labor $165sq,,, solar & rods addl

dstark 12-10-2020 07:53 AM

Our Gardenia roof was replaced for 20k this year. We have 3 solar tubes and they removed the old roofing.

caljeff 12-10-2020 08:23 AM

I had my roof replaced on a 2000sf dwelling by Dan Shepler Roofing. As a baseline, my price was approx $14K and did not have the extras you mentioned in your post.

murray5258 12-10-2020 08:29 AM

call Robert Collins for estimate. guarantee he will get you the lowest cost,maybe just your deductible. Tell him you heard it from Mr. Greene. His number is 407-401-5730

Tyrone Shoelaces 12-10-2020 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Singerlady (Post 1871627)
Ok... now I understand. That is an important part of your quote.

10k additional?

54 squares cost me 15.5 thats with Owens duration and the upgraded underlayment.

Kahuna32162 12-10-2020 08:36 AM

[QUOTE=CWGUY;1871504]:oops: You need to know how many square your roof is...... not how many sq. ft. your house is. Next you need to ask for the price per square. Ask each roofing company what they get per square...... then you can compare quotes. There are web sites to measure your roof without coming to your house. Sack Roofing used one to give us a quote. He also told us how much per square. :ho:[/Q

holmesperdue 12-10-2020 08:36 AM

SPS roofing did our stretch Gardina for 14K; Sacks was about the same. Keep in mind that a general roofer is much cheaper than a general contractor. Our insurance company approved a general contractor price that was 1/3 again as high as a general roofer. I saved them 6.5K by going with SPS or Sacks vs say a company like Secured Roofing...

harby 12-10-2020 09:04 AM

roof replacement for gardenia
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TCRSO (Post 1871232)
Considering a Gardenia model. It would need a new roof soon. Would like an idea of replacement cost. If you have info on cost your input would be welcomed.

Thanks

We had it replaced with new one (removed all old shingles and put new ones) on our oversized Gardenia for 14k last March done by Sack Roofing, Fruitland/Lady Lake. They did neat work. Chas

Bill32 12-10-2020 09:55 AM

Are people still getting their insurance companies to pay for a new roof? How? If the roof is just getting old will the ins co. pay for a new one???

kappy 12-10-2020 10:42 AM

McHale Roofing gave us a very reasonable quote and completed the entire roof in a day and a half. They also did an excellent job of cleaning up. We highly recommend them.

Dlbonivich 12-10-2020 10:49 AM

Also 600 sq ft more than the average Gardinia

Kahuna32162 12-10-2020 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill32 (Post 1871728)
Are people still getting their insurance companies to pay for a new roof? How? If the roof is just getting old will the ins co. pay for a new one???

The short answer is Yes, but we had to really fight with them to get a fair settlement. Every home north of 466 will need a new roof before your insurance company will renew your yearly policy as these roofs are, or are close, to being 20 years old.

In our case, we could prove wind and hail damages from storms in February of this year. We were actually gone at the time of the storm, but were told about it by our house sitters.

ProfessorDave 12-10-2020 01:03 PM

Don't know the cost - but my rule of thumb is $400 per square foot.
Here is what I do know - and hope it helps:

Roofing – Facts You Should Know – For Your Best and Safest Choice
1) Told “ROOFER” Did A Great Job! … beware; anybody saying “they just finished and did a great job” doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Most workmanship defects do not show up until at least a year – typically years 3-5.
2) Roofer Recommended – Use My Name… these people are likely getting a $200 kick back from the roofer if you do that.
3) Quick Facts About Roofs
a. BBB (Better Business Bureau) … roofing is one of the biggest complaint areas
b. Warranty… why are manufacturer warranties so long? Because they know 9 out of 10 roofs are void the day they’re installed; scary, 99% of roofers don’t even know that.
c. Roof Performance… what is most important is underneath the shingle – what you don’t see. So – most roofers cut corners there to make money – because you wouldn’t know.
d. Insurance Claims… get three bids? Frankly, that is often ridiculous. Insurance is hoping that you’ll get three bids – choose the cheapest – and they’re off easy. Reality is – if you allow the roofer to negotiate on your behalf – they get whatever price they can justify to insurance – even if the quote to you was significantly lower. Lesson – sign up the BEST ROOFER – not the cheapest!
e. Contractors… almost every contractor in The Villages is a marketing company. The crews doing the work are subcontractors. So – even if they show you certifications, insurance, etc., it is basically crap – because the liability (and quality) is based on the crew. Since these marketing contractors (industry calls them “storm chasers” – that follow the wind and hail – they are off to the next storm – and don’t stand behind their warranties anyway. Their salespeople are NICE - make you FEEL GREAT – and make well over hundred thousand with this sales approach.
4) Some Things I Look/Ask For – Roofs I’ve Helped With:
a. Quality Shingle… avoid IKO, TAMKO, ATLAS (they are not great at honoring their warranties); acceptable is Owens Corning (but it is thin – not as attractive – less dimension); Best are CertainTeed (heavy) and GAF (great technology).
b. Starter Strip… insist it is a “pro grade” – not a common 3 -tab flipped over. And – make sure it is at BOTH the eave and rake edges. The eave and rake get the most wind uplift; the pro grade starter strip provides superior wind resistance.
c. Underlayment. Use synthetics; do not use the common paper (i.e. 15 or 30 lbs. felt)
d. Current Insurance… some contractors pay the first month, and keep using a defunct insurance policy as evidence. Not real common – but when it happens – can be a BIG RISK. (example I know about: Lenox Fine China got fine $6 million – years ago in this situation – when somebody fell of their roof – and the contractor used this insurance scam.)
e. Leak Barrier… some call it “ice and water shield. Make sure it is at ALL vulnerable areas including the valley and around all penetrations. These are “self-healing membranes” and when the house does a slight shift (all homes do), the roof will stay watertight.
f. Metal Flashing… make sure they do not “re-use” the old stuff. You want it custom fit with new metal.
g. Ridge Shingle… do not allow cheap 3 – tab which is common – you want a Pro Grade ridge shingle. When you don’t, you diminish your roof to a 20-year warranty essentially.
h. Fastening… two issues: 1) if they don’t check the air pressure, nails can be too deep (causes tears) or not deep enough (creates holes). MORE importantly, are they keeping the nails INSIDE THE NAIL ZONE. If not, more vulnerable to wind blow off.
i. Wind Mitigation Certification… get it; it can lower your homeowner’s insurance by over a $100 per year.
j. Clean Up… including the gutters. Ideally, have them use a magnet sweeper for the lawn and shrubs to make sure none dropped.
k. Debris Capture… ideally directly from the roof into the container. When they drop and gather in wheel barrels, often nails get lose and can cause safety issues later.
l. Ridge Vent… make sure it is on “all ridges” that are over heated spaces and also make sure it extends to at most 18 inches from each edge. Lots of contractor’s cheat – save money by not extending the vent to the full length. The risk is not enough ventilation, which results in these common issues:
i. Voided Warranty… not enough “exhaust” at the ridge to meet code.
ii. Health Risks… by not creating air flow, warm/moist are is trapped in the attic. The recipe for mold is warm moist air in a dark environment with organic material.
iii. High Energy Costs… 2% moisture in attic ventilation reduces the effectiveness by 1/3
iv. Roof Durability… if the deck (under the shingles) gets too hot, the shingles “fry” out – in Florida, typically lasts about 13 – 18 years max.
m. Hip Roof?... they typically have only a small area of ridge. Therefore, highly recommend a few solar powered vents to assure “exhaust” ventilation.

CWGUY 12-10-2020 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProfessorDave (Post 1871824)
Don't know the cost - but my rule of thumb is $400 per square foot.
Here is what I do know - and hope it helps:

Roofing – Facts You Should Know – For Your Best and Safest Choice
1) Told “ROOFER” Did A Great Job! … beware; anybody saying “they just finished and did a great job” doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Most workmanship defects do not show up until at least a year – typically years 3-5.
2) Roofer Recommended – Use My Name… these people are likely getting a $200 kick back from the roofer if you do that.
3) Quick Facts About Roofs
a. BBB (Better Business Bureau) … roofing is one of the biggest complaint areas
b. Warranty… why are manufacturer warranties so long? Because they know 9 out of 10 roofs are void the day they’re installed; scary, 99% of roofers don’t even know that.
c. Roof Performance… what is most important is underneath the shingle – what you don’t see. So – most roofers cut corners there to make money – because you wouldn’t know.
d. Insurance Claims… get three bids? Frankly, that is often ridiculous. Insurance is hoping that you’ll get three bids – choose the cheapest – and they’re off easy. Reality is – if you allow the roofer to negotiate on your behalf – they get whatever price they can justify to insurance – even if the quote to you was significantly lower. Lesson – sign up the BEST ROOFER – not the cheapest!
e. Contractors… almost every contractor in The Villages is a marketing company. The crews doing the work are subcontractors. So – even if they show you certifications, insurance, etc., it is basically crap – because the liability (and quality) is based on the crew. Since these marketing contractors (industry calls them “storm chasers” – that follow the wind and hail – they are off to the next storm – and don’t stand behind their warranties anyway. Their salespeople are NICE - make you FEEL GREAT – and make well over hundred thousand with this sales approach.
4) Some Things I Look/Ask For – Roofs I’ve Helped With:
a. Quality Shingle… avoid IKO, TAMKO, ATLAS (they are not great at honoring their warranties); acceptable is Owens Corning (but it is thin – not as attractive – less dimension); Best are CertainTeed (heavy) and GAF (great technology).
b. Starter Strip… insist it is a “pro grade” – not a common 3 -tab flipped over. And – make sure it is at BOTH the eave and rake edges. The eave and rake get the most wind uplift; the pro grade starter strip provides superior wind resistance.
c. Underlayment. Use synthetics; do not use the common paper (i.e. 15 or 30 lbs. felt)
d. Current Insurance… some contractors pay the first month, and keep using a defunct insurance policy as evidence. Not real common – but when it happens – can be a BIG RISK. (example I know about: Lenox Fine China got fine $6 million – years ago in this situation – when somebody fell of their roof – and the contractor used this insurance scam.)
e. Leak Barrier… some call it “ice and water shield. Make sure it is at ALL vulnerable areas including the valley and around all penetrations. These are “self-healing membranes” and when the house does a slight shift (all homes do), the roof will stay watertight.
f. Metal Flashing… make sure they do not “re-use” the old stuff. You want it custom fit with new metal.
g. Ridge Shingle… do not allow cheap 3 – tab which is common – you want a Pro Grade ridge shingle. When you don’t, you diminish your roof to a 20-year warranty essentially.
h. Fastening… two issues: 1) if they don’t check the air pressure, nails can be too deep (causes tears) or not deep enough (creates holes). MORE importantly, are they keeping the nails INSIDE THE NAIL ZONE. If not, more vulnerable to wind blow off.
i. Wind Mitigation Certification… get it; it can lower your homeowner’s insurance by over a $100 per year.
j. Clean Up… including the gutters. Ideally, have them use a magnet sweeper for the lawn and shrubs to make sure none dropped.
k. Debris Capture… ideally directly from the roof into the container. When they drop and gather in wheel barrels, often nails get lose and can cause safety issues later.
l. Ridge Vent… make sure it is on “all ridges” that are over heated spaces and also make sure it extends to at most 18 inches from each edge. Lots of contractor’s cheat – save money by not extending the vent to the full length. The risk is not enough ventilation, which results in these common issues:
i. Voided Warranty… not enough “exhaust” at the ridge to meet code.
ii. Health Risks… by not creating air flow, warm/moist are is trapped in the attic. The recipe for mold is warm moist air in a dark environment with organic material.
iii. High Energy Costs… 2% moisture in attic ventilation reduces the effectiveness by 1/3
iv. Roof Durability… if the deck (under the shingles) gets too hot, the shingles “fry” out – in Florida, typically lasts about 13 – 18 years max.
m. Hip Roof?... they typically have only a small area of ridge. Therefore, highly recommend a few solar powered vents to assure “exhaust” ventilation.

:icon_wink: I hope you weren't a real professor Dave. $400 per sq. ft. My roof was 22 square and cost me $5000 a couple years ago. Would have been $880,000 at $400.00 per sq. ft. :1rotfl:


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