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txbob34 01-08-2021 11:35 AM

Villages entry check points
 
What is the purpose of having manned check points when anyone can go and come as they please?

Kenswing 01-08-2021 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by txbob34 (Post 1884182)
What is the purpose of having manned check points when anyone can go and come as they please?

Traffic control. It keeps the golf carts from getting squashed as they cross the road at village entrances.

And although people can come and go as they please, Their picture/video is taken for future reference if there are problems.

retiredguy123 01-08-2021 11:39 AM

They contribute to the illusion of security. Also, the gate people can sometimes provide directions and other assistance, and they wave to you. Very friendly.

JohnN 01-08-2021 11:44 AM

maybe we can do like the NFL and just get cardboard cutouts of gate guards.

"illusion of security" is the exact correct term.

Topspinmo 01-08-2021 11:45 AM

Some say Sales gimmick, illusion of security (do have camera 🎥 on them for after the crime fact, like knocking down the gates) with some traffic control at busy hours at certain entry points. I surprised they all haven’t got the 100 grand toilets Recently installed at one of the gates which didn’t have one for 40 years.

Carla B 01-08-2021 11:46 AM

At the Morse gate @ 466 they are essential to keep northbound cars from colliding with each other and with golf carts crossing Morse just behind the gate. It is a demanding job.

Stu from NYC 01-08-2021 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnN (Post 1884188)
maybe we can do like the NFL and just get cardboard cutouts of gate guards.

"illusion of security" is the exact correct term.

Where can i apply to be a cardboard cutout?

dewilson58 01-08-2021 02:02 PM

One piece to the Friendliest Hometown.


:gc:

thelegges 01-08-2021 03:56 PM

Two lanes merging to one. Gate keeper holds car next to them, to give small head start space for car at card gate.

Other than that gate keeper does not give the allusion of security.

karostay 01-08-2021 04:28 PM

False Security

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-08-2021 06:39 PM

It's a combination of things.
1. traffic control, especially with gates that merge with golf cart traffic
2. customer service - notice the visitor gate is closest to the gatehouse. If a visitor needs directions, the gate attendant is trained to assist them in getting where they're trying to go.
3. a deterrent to trespassers. It's not a preventative. But it does remind people that someone is always watching. If that can scare off even one house-burglar, then they've proven their value.

Papa_lecki 01-08-2021 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1884185)
They contribute to the illusion of security. Also, the gate people can sometimes provide directions and other assistance, and they wave to you. Very friendly.

The gate attendants I have interacted with have the most miserable people.

John_W 01-08-2021 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by txbob34 (Post 1884182)
What is the purpose of having manned check points when anyone can go and come as they please?

It's not for outsiders, if you drove a golf cart you would understand. If you were a visitor who actually was seeking information, you would understand. If you were a resident and knew where you were going, you put up the inconvenience so carts can cross the roadway without the fear of this, a speed bump in life.

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RaunchyRich 01-08-2021 09:43 PM

Brunswick GA

coffeebean 01-09-2021 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by txbob34 (Post 1884182)
What is the purpose of having manned check points when anyone can go and come as they please?

Most times the person manning the gate is there to wave "hello". There are those times though when the person manning the gate will answer questions for folks and give directions.

GRACEALLEMAN 01-09-2021 05:55 AM

It makes the gatekeeper feel "big and important and friendly and gives him extra money for poker games. LOL

Rosebud1949 01-09-2021 06:08 AM

Gate Keeping
 
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Originally Posted by thelegges (Post 1884286)
Two lanes merging to one. Gate keeper holds car next to them, to give small head start space for car at card gate.

Other than that gate keeper does not give the allusion of security.

CORRECTION Gate keepers are supposed to alternate vehicles coming thru the gates WRONG...so many do not How many of you folk have had to avoid the trucks and other vehicles who are let thru as your barrier goes up and you move forward. Carts "playing chicken" ad the barrier rises does not help

mrf6969 01-09-2021 06:13 AM

They got the idea from "Checkpoint Charlie" Worked for them...

La lamy 01-09-2021 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnN (Post 1884188)
maybe we can do like the NFL and just get cardboard cutouts of gate guards.

"illusion of security" is the exact correct term.

:1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

La lamy 01-09-2021 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Carla B (Post 1884191)
At the Morse gate @ 466 they are essential to keep northbound cars from colliding with each other and with golf carts crossing Morse just behind the gate. It is a demanding job.

That's about the only one I can think of that seems really necessary.

djwill27 01-09-2021 06:37 AM

Gates
 
Originally, I think they were controlled at one time, but the Morse Family took tax money from the state or Feds to maintain the roads which in effect made them public. In a subsequent lawsuit, the Morse family was required to allow the public on The Villages streets and what we have now is the compromise. The cameras do record traffic and have been used to solve some criminal activity that has taken place such as breaking into homes. So not all bad.

Alaska Butch 01-09-2021 07:06 AM

I suspect the security helps reduce insurance rates. Also the “illusion” of security does reduce the likelihood someone unfamiliar with the fact they can be waived through will attempt entry.

airdale2 01-09-2021 07:09 AM

Some of your property taxes goes to maintain and police the streets which makes them public streets.

airdale2 01-09-2021 07:12 AM

Talk to one whom has worked those booths and hear some of their stories of the abuse they sometimes must tolerate.

Hockey dude 01-09-2021 07:16 AM

The gate attendants are there for traffic flow control, directions and Assistance for visitors or new TV residents.

The majority of us are also CPR trained and have phones and radios to call in for emergency assistance when needed.

Each manned gate also has “word maps” that can get you to any street that is nearby that gate. We pass out a fair amount of word maps and directional assistance.

PugMom 01-09-2021 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rosebud1949 (Post 1884399)
CORRECTION Gate keepers are supposed to alternate vehicles coming thru the gates WRONG...so many do not How many of you folk have had to avoid the trucks and other vehicles who are let thru as your barrier goes up and you move forward. Carts "playing chicken" ad the barrier rises does not help

you said it!! entrance off 466 has golf carts merging with cars, the paths there are on the road, & can be very scary for a driver when a cart pulls out in front of you. and all those gate workers are friendly--say hello on slow days, exchange a few words-you may even get a smile when they remember you :coolsmiley: they do help by allowing safe roads (@ least the ones i've met). one guy had to call out to warn cart drivers who think they have right-of-way here. he was ready to pull out in front of the beast-car i drive:faint:

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 01-09-2021 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1884331)
It's a combination of things.
1. traffic control, especially with gates that merge with golf cart traffic
2. customer service - notice the visitor gate is closest to the gatehouse. If a visitor needs directions, the gate attendant is trained to assist them in getting where they're trying to go.
3. a deterrent to trespassers. It's not a preventative. But it does remind people that someone is always watching. If that can scare off even one house-burglar, then they've proven their value.

That's it in a nutshell.

The reason that Wal Mart and a few other stores has greeters is not to be friendly. It's because studies have shown that would be thieves are less likely to steal when they know that an employee has spoken to them and can recognize them. Store greeters are part of their security. I believe that the gate attendants are the same.

FredJacobs 01-09-2021 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by djwill27 (Post 1884413)
Originally, I think they were controlled at one time, but the Morse Family took tax money from the state or Feds to maintain the roads which in effect made them public. In a subsequent lawsuit, the Morse family was required to allow the public on The Villages streets and what we have now is the compromise. The cameras do record traffic and have been used to solve some criminal activity that has taken place such as breaking into homes. So not all bad.

Originally, TV was a "gated community." When the roads needed repair work, the Developer went to the county and was told that as long as the community had private roads, the community was responsible for repairs. What, spend money on road repairs? In the blink of an eye the roads were turned over to the county.

TV advertising never claims that this is a "gated community." The gates are there to space out vehicles so that nearby side roads can have a chance to enter or cross the road. For example, the gate on Belvedere. A few feet south of the gate are two streets - Hialeah Avenue and Green Hill Trail and a little further is Churchill Downs. If it weren't for the gates, traffic from these streets would wait forever for a break before turning North or South.

giorgio1948 01-09-2021 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1884223)
Where can i apply to be a cardboard cutout?

I think CVS...let us know...

coconutmama 01-09-2021 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1884331)
It's a combination of things.
1. traffic control, especially with gates that merge with golf cart traffic
2. customer service - notice the visitor gate is closest to the gatehouse. If a visitor needs directions, the gate attendant is trained to assist them in getting where they're trying to go.
3. a deterrent to trespassers. It's not a preventative. But it does remind people that someone is always watching. If that can scare off even one house-burglar, then they've proven their value.

Yes, and it is a shame that the newest villages don’t have them. I like a person in the gatehouses for all the reasons you mentioned

giorgio1948 01-09-2021 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Hockey dude (Post 1884430)
The gate attendants are there for traffic flow control, directions and Assistance for visitors or new TV residents.

The majority of us are also CPR trained and have phones and radios to call in for emergency assistance when needed.

Each manned gate also has “word maps” that can get you to any street that is nearby that gate. We pass out a fair amount of word maps and directional assistance.

Thank you

Girlcopper 01-09-2021 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 1884362)
The gate attendants I have interacted with have the most miserable people.

I have yet to drive thru any gate where the attendant doesnt smile wave and sometimes even wish me a good day.

oneclickplus 01-09-2021 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by txbob34 (Post 1884182)
What is the purpose of having manned check points when anyone can go and come as they please?

Keeping America employed?

Alicat5977 01-09-2021 07:49 AM

Totally Agree

J1ceasar 01-09-2021 07:58 AM

Who's fault was that accident?
 
Did the gate keeper help with that accident?

Quote:

Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1884365)
It's not for outsiders, if you drove a golf cart you would understand. If you were a visitor who actually was seeking information, you would understand. If you were a resident and knew where you were going, you put up the inconvenience so carts can cross the roadway without the fear of this, a speed bump in life.

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...01&oe=601D0C63


photo1902 01-09-2021 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by J1ceasar (Post 1884464)
Did the gate keeper help with that accident?

That is not an attended gate

Larchap49 01-09-2021 08:06 AM

Gate keeper
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by txbob34 (Post 1884182)
What is the purpose of having manned check points when anyone can go and come as they please?

For me the best thing about it was when home owners ins. asked if it was a gated community I was able to answer yes with a guard and that lowered my rate. :)

Waltdisney4life 01-09-2021 08:13 AM

The term checkpoint is incorrect they manage the flow of traffic.

72lions 01-09-2021 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by txbob34 (Post 1884182)
What is the purpose of having manned check points when anyone can go and come as they please?

Checkpoints? Really?

diamond2005 01-09-2021 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1884331)
It's a combination of things.
1. traffic control, especially with gates that merge with golf cart traffic
2. customer service - notice the visitor gate is closest to the gatehouse. If a visitor needs directions, the gate attendant is trained to assist them in getting where they're trying to go.
3. a deterrent to trespassers. It's not a preventative. But it does remind people that someone is always watching. If that can scare off even one house-burglar, then they've proven their value.

Customer Service is a bunch of BS! Pine Ridge and Pine Hills, and several other entry points do not have gates.


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