Wear mask after vaccination
 

Please wear a mask and continue precautions after getting your vaccination. You can still get covid-19 and pass it on. You would probably be asymtomatic.
Vaccination
1. WILL NOT Protect you 100%
2. WILL protect you from getting it bad and killing you

Pay attention to the SCIENCE!!!!!

And here we have another one. The vaccine will give immunity to about 95% of the people who get it. If you are in the 95%, YOU CANNOT GET THE VIRUS AND YOU CANNOT PASS IT ON
If you are in the 5%, It's like you never were vaccinated.

So again, I'll re-post what I wrote on another COVID thread-----

Why does this idiotic rumor keep spreading????? Again, I challenge ANYONE to cite a reputable source for this nonsense.

Think of it this way-----why would all the "experts" be pushing the vaccines as the method of obtaining herd immunity and ending this pandemic if the vaccines did not confer immunity. Why spend billions on vaccines that only prevent "death" in the 0.3% of the people who would actually die from it. In fact, in a cold-hearted but social Darwinian model, why keep people who can spread the virus alive?

Yet , on just about every COVID thread, some yahoo pops up with the "the vaccine only decreases severity of illness and reduces the chance of death" Use your brains, please.

Thank you. I guess there are those that the glass will always and ALWAYS be half empty.
Must be a lot of idiots out there if they are willing to get TWO shots, with miserable side effects, thinking that if they are around anyone infected that they will get infected but only get a little sick. Some folks should have to wear a sign that warns others that they do not use their brain to function day to day. It must be from Global Warming, I mean Climate Change, or is it Man Made Climate Change? Proof that some folks' wind mills have frozen solid, not just in Texas. :1rotfl:

Yeah, I am getting tired of hearing the nonsense as well. The vaccine 'takes' on about 95% of the people. They cannot get the virus. Period.

As far as masks?

I've said in other pages as well that once everyone who wants the vaccine has it, we can take them off for sure. I'm not running around with a mask on to protect the health of some foolish enough to refuse to get vaccinated. That is Darwin at his greatest.

Has there been a study that definitely tells us you cannot give someone the virus after taking both shots of the vaccine?

Several. There is a lingering concern that a vaccinated person could come across the virus and harbor it for a limited period of time in their nasopharynx, those studies concluded that more study is needed.

Keep in mind it takes about 12 days after vaccination to achieve immunity and during that time you can still get and spread COVID, so continue to wear a mask for, lets say 2 weeks after 2nd dose.

I've read one from Israel, but I am not an expert or even a medical professional. I have however, stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
From what I got from the Israeli study, ingestion of the virus after being inoculated will kill the virus (spores?) so that you should not be able to contract the disease or communicate it to others.

Correct me if I am mistaken, but my understanding from new sources indicate that after the first shot, one is effectively immune up to around 80%. If true, that would mean that the second shot (booster?) would greatly enhance one's immunity. And I also saw the revised time to boosted immunity after the second shot as about 12 days.

Like I said before, I can only base my information on what I have read and what little I can comprehend of the technical details.

By the way, did you see the Israeli study of their nasal spray? They have been testing it here in the U.S. and it looks to be 99.99% effective in KILLING the virus if inhaled via the nostril. If so, it may also be a game changer for the morphing virus as it is "supposed" to kill all viruses when they come into contact with the spray. The spray is supposed to be some substance that turns into a protecting gel that coats the inside of the nose. Hey, I can only describe it as I see it, not being a medical professional.

We have had the first does of vaccine and the second in 7 days. Will give it a few weeks after that and than will start going to shows so we can finally enjoy the entertainment.

At the moment it appears we will continue to wear the masks but for how long, who knows/

Scientific studies suggest that taking two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines is very important for achieving the antibody response to provide protection and create lasting immunity.


https://healthmatters.nyp.org/covid-...-and-immunity/

GE.....you know I value your expertise, but I'm sort of confused by this. Everything I have read about these mRNA vaccines states that no moderate to severe disease has been reported in anyone who has been fully vaccinated and has waited the two weeks after the second shot. In other words, it is reported that there have been no hospitalizations in people who have been fully vaccinated and no reported deaths directly related to the mRNA vaccines.

My understanding, which may be totally wrong so I'm referring to you for guidance, is that everyone who is vaccinated benefits from the mRNA vaccines in that they are protected from severe disease and death. I did not take those efficacy percentages to mean that 5% of totally vaccinated people have no protection at all and it is if they were not vaccinated at all. This statement dismays me.

I was eager to be vaccinated so I would feel assured that at least I won't die of Covid directly or even be hospitalized with severe disease. What you have said has dashed that feeling of security for me.

This new information has come from Israel who is using the Pfizer vaccine exclusively. I saw Dr. Fauci on TV nearly two weeks ago say that this new evidence is showing that fully vaccinated people are not transmitting the virus to others. Dr. Fauci said this may be because a fully vaccinated person has a low viral load in their naso -pharynx and can not transmit the virus to others. More study has to be done so this claim can be verified. I thought this was great news when I heard Dr. Fauci give us this information. I'm very encouraged.

To me, this means that if it is determined that fully vaccinated people can not transmit the disease, the masks can come off and distancing will not be as critical as it is now. That is just my gut feeling and nothing is written in stone.

Also, coming from the CDC with this news that was made available from Israel, is this......

CDC Says Fully Vaccinated People Do Not Need to Quarantine | Health.com

IMHO, this is all the more reason for as many people to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity safely.

That is great news about the nasal spray if, in fact, it really does work as you described. However, just wondering if this "gel" that will form inside the nose will make a a bit difficult to breathe. Inquiring minds want to know.

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Golfing Eagles.....Please read paragraph 1 of this article. It explains how the efficacy percentages work for the mRNA vaccines. This is what I have thought all along how the protective immunity works for fully vaccinated people.......

https://healthmatters.nyp.org/covid-...-and-immunity/

This is what the article says:

“1. The vaccines are 95% effective and may help reduce the severity of the disease.

In Phase 3 studies, both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines were found to be 95% effective in the early months after the vaccine. Put simply, “If there were 100 people who would have gotten COVID, it prevented 95 of them from getting it, but it didn’t prevent all 100,” says Dr. Marks. “It definitely provides some protection, but it’s not perfect.”

The good news is that early data found that those who did contract COVID-19 after receiving the vaccine did not develop a severe form of the disease. “So even if it doesn’t completely prevent illness, the study data shows that it does reduce the severity,” says Dr. Marks.”

Without the actual numbers, these statements are a bit vague and can be interpreted differently. My understanding is that 95% of the people who were vaccinated did not get Covid, but 5% did. And those who did get Covid after they were fully inoculated, had “reduced severity”. So they did not die (in my language).



If there is a different interpretation I’d like to hear it.

You are wrong
 

I'm not a yahoo. After vaccination, you have a 95% chance of being immune. But you can still get it (5% change) and pass it on, but its likely to be milder. As per this article posted by someone else.
https://healthmatters.nyp.org/covid-...-and-immunity/

Another article:
Episode #23 - I am vaccinated, what next?

I agree with your interpretation. That is how I see it. I figure, now that I'm fully vaccinated, if I do contract Covid, I'm in that unlucky 5%. But being unlucky is not all THAT bad because I won't have severe disease so I won't need hospitalization and I won't die directly from Covid.

I don't want to be naive to think that there won't be deaths but just not directly from Covid. Deaths from heart attacks, cancer and all sort of co-morbidites could do anyone in but it won't be a direct result from Covid. My opinion, of course.

Hopefully sooner rather than later they can tell if we are in the unlucky 5%.

According to the government... If I get vaccinated: 💉💉💉

1.- Can I stop wearing the mask?
Government Response - No

2.- Can they reopen restaurants, pubs, bars etc and everyone work normally?
Government Response - No

3.- Will I be resistant to covid?
Government Response - Maybe, but we don't know exactly, it probably won't stop you getting it

4.- At least I won't be contagious to others anymore?
Government Response - No you can still pass it on, possibly, nobody knows.

5.- If we vaccinate all children, will school resume normally?
Government Response - No

6.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?
Government Response - No

7.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop disinfecting my hands?
Government Response - No

8.- If I vaccinate myself and my grandfather, can we hug each other?
Government Response - No

9.- Will cinemas, theatres and stadiums be reopened normally thanks to vaccines?
Government Response - No

10.- Will the vaccinated be able to gather?
Government Response - No

11.- What is the real benefit of vaccination?
Government Response - The virus won't kill you.

12.- Are you sure it won't kill me?
Government Response - No

13.- If statistically the virus won't kill me anyway ... Why would I get vaccinated?"
Government Response - To protect others.

14.- So if I get vaccinated, the others are 100% sure I'm not infecting them?
Government Response - No

So to summarise, the Covid19 vaccine...

Does not give immunity.
Does not eliminate the virus.
Does not prevent death.
Does not guarantee you won’t get it.
Does not prevent you from getting it.
Does not stop you passing it on
Does not eliminate the need for travel bans.
Does not eliminate the need for business closures.
Does not eliminate the need for lockdowns.
Does not eliminate the need for masking.

So...what the heck is it actually doing? 🤦🏼*♂️🤷🏼*♂️

This post looks mighty familiar to me. In fact, I believe I have already responded to this post in another thread.

My response is.....you won't die. That is a pretty good benefit from the vaccine.

So many experts. So much contradiction. I feel the best advice comes from the medical EXPERTS.

Oh lord here we go again...as if we all need another dictating what to do with our lives...I thankfully get up everyday and go about my life, and have since all of this started...I am still alive and kicking. No vaccines, working daily, and enjoying life...

Awesome, going to all this trouble, investment and possible negative affects for a pathogen with what, a 98% recovery rate?
Brilliant!

Amen sister

I truly feel sorry for you - to live with a head full of pure negativity and sorrow. I pray you find something, someone to help you thru your negative life and thoughts.

It is going to be a beautiful - sunny day - Spend time laughing and enjoying time with friends and family!!!! Watch the birds and wildlife play by the ponds!!! Enjoy gathering at the great events we have here at the Villages!!! Take that trip to visit your grandchildren or a friend you haven’t seen for years!!! Believe me, when the time comes - and you are really unable to do anything - you will have no regrets - only wonderful memories!!!

It is a great day to live and enjoy interacting - or just spending the day enjoying life by yourself.

I am only 64 and obviously waiting patiently to receive my vaccine. Thank you to those mask wearing people. I choose to take the side of caution for just a little longer. Everyone is a tough guy and invincible until you get the Covid and are praying to God so you can breathe! I was one of them ....

Thank you for posting some common sense. Those with their hair on fire about masks and the “science” should read the statistics on the virus death risk by age group. Most that do have it are only slightly sick for a few days with loss of smell or taste lasting a little longer. If you have serious health issues stay away from crowds and protect yourself ,others will enjoy their lives without the alarmists rants.

I believe it's the Pfizer vaccine that is showing this protection. There's no data on Moderna. Still, my plans are to ditch the mask after the appropriate time period, unless I must enter an establishment that "requires" a mask.

Which science? The same one that is now saying 2 + 2 doesn't necessarily equal 4? Thank God I am still asleep and not woke.

Some people just want to spend the rest of their lives worrying with their heads buried in the sand. I don't try to stop you so don't demand that I do the same. Me, I want to enjoy life to it's fullest. That is one of the reasons we moved here.

This may be your science but it is not the science. I hardly ever wear a mask now and I can guarantee you once I’ve had my second shot in about 10 days and after the 14 day waiting period I will not be wearing a mask anywhere. If someplace tries to ask me to leave I will point out that they legally have no basis to do so. I don’t think it’ll happen as it is not happening now. There is no law mandating that. 95% of us are ready to get back to normal living. Then there’s always the 5% like you.

Yes, pay attention to science. Everything you say is wrong.

You are exactly right. What is it doing? Destroying our economy, businesses, peoples livelihoods, interactions with others. They used to put masks on slaves you know. If you can get enough people to be dependent on the government, you have complete control. You'd better do your research somewhere other than the MSM to find out what's in them.

Why would you pay any attention to what the government says as they have been all over the place since this started. We are adults and need to do what we feel. Over the last year I almost never wear a mask anywhere and I guarantee you once I have my second shot of the vaccine, my mask will go in the trash for good. I’m not gonna walk around looking like an idiot for the rest of my life. Just heard on epidemiologists yesterday morning on TV say that 95% of the masks that people are wearing are worthless and nothing more than a psychological Comfort. I’m done with all of it

Took the words right out of my mouth. Well stated. If some people feel the vaccine isnt worth it, then, dont get it and take your chances. The mask wearing is still mandated in stores because there is no way to announce that you had the vaccine. Even if they made a huge button you could wear stating, I was vaccinated, people would then complain about that. Ive already heard people arguing with workers in stores that they will not wear a mask because they were vaccinated. Stop acting like a spoiled child. Just wear the mask until its no longer mandated and stop the, it violates my rights, garbage.

The vast majority of people have no side effects at all except for soreness at the injection site. I watched my girlfriend’s father die of COVID-19. (In FaceTime.) it was the worst three weeks of his life. And he didn’t go on a respirator. His wife nearly died. But now she has to go from a big fancy house to a nursing home.

Which "medical experts"?

Highly regarded and credentialed medical professionals have conflicting opinions. Which ones do you believe?

The biggest problem that I have with the lockdown fanatics is their complete and total disregard for the unintended consequences of depriving citizens of their employment, education and liberty. It has resulted in more suicides, depression, domestic violence, bankruptcies, overdoses and student failures.


In the first quarter of 2020, one school district in Charles County, Maryland, saw a 72.7% increase in failing grades for students enrolled in high school, WTOP reported. Forty-two percent of students in Houston received at least one failing grade in this school year's first grading period, The Associated Press reported. This past year, secondary schools in Salt Lake City saw a 600% increase in the number of failing students, according to The Salt Lake Tribune.

US students failing at record levels; experts are wondering what to do

We are in this mess together; so it's not just about one person....


"Even after both doses, it’s important to continue to take precautions.
Although getting vaccinated is an important step in protecting people from COVID-19, it does not mean they can stop practicing precautions such as masking, social distancing, and hand hygiene. Those measures are still critical as we continue to battle the pandemic. “Right now there’s so much COVID circulating, getting the vaccines doesn’t mean you can go back to life as before,” says Dr. Marks. “I think it’s important to continue to take all the recommended precautions, so you can protect yourself and others. Until we really get a decrease in the COVID that’s circulating, all of that remains necessary.”

The science has been wrong the entire time. You have a 99.9% chance of recovery. If you are at risk stay home. Worry, fear and isolation are killing people and making them get Covid. That is science as well, many reports do your own research.