Minnesota Burning
 

We assume we know what happened last May, not so fast...
The trial starts this week but here is a video that shows what should have been said a long time ago.

Who killed George Floyd? E15 from stephen devita on Vimeo

It will be interesting to see if this is introduced at The Trial.










Who killed George Floyd? E15 from stephen devita on Vimeo

Floyd video
 

Thanks very much for sharing this!!!!

quite interesting. thanks for sharing

There two jobs I would never do. Police officer and nurses aid.

Did George Floyd really die from drug use and not homicide? | kare11.com

I would check the Twin Cities resources for a more diligent look into the facts.

As was proved by the Rodney King verdict, justice is not always served. What can't be unseen by millions around the world however, is a white cop with 18 previous complaints, who knelt on the neck of a totally restrained black man for over 8 minutes - while the black man died. No amount of spin, will ever change that.

PJOHNS2654, Thank you for this. The entire fiasco has been a miscarriage of justice. Our hearts go out to those officers, who did an exemplary job in dealing with him; they should have been awarded medals instead of being prosecuted. Their lives have been ruined for selflessly serving society, and George Floyd's family, who raised a career felon and danger to society, have become multimillionaires.

For those who feel otherwise, here is a brief, but incomplete, overview of George Floyd's criminal record: 6 burglaries, 3 car thefts, multiple illegal trespasses, ongoing cocaine and alcohol addiction, 2 violent home invasions, 3 armed robberies, dealing & taking Fentanyl and Meth, passing counterfeit money, beating 4 victims senseless. He had been arrested 23 times since 1998.

This is what today's police officers deal with daily. God bless them for putting themselves in harm's way for us!

Not just while he died. An argument can be made that he struggled violently up until the end and needed to be held down with force. I don't believe it, but it's an excuse that could, theoretically, work.

What won't work is ANY excuse that he CONTINUED kneeling on Floyd's neck AFTER he learned Floyd no longer had a pulse and had ceased struggling. He REFUSED to let up. The video shows this, it's clear, there's no way around it. The cop caused Floyd's death, and made SURE he was dead by continuing to cut off his circulation after he no longer had a pulse.

That is the unforgiveable part, and the part that needs to be punished. That is what makes it not "homicide" but "murder."

George Floyd's Real Cause Of Death
 

He had three times the amount of Fentanyl in him that would cause an overdose death.

If you've ever dealt with someone on Fentanyl - Floyd had 3 times the lethal dose in his system - you probably know that, even after they are unconscious and sometimes declared dead, they can awake with brute force and kill. Would you risk the lives of yourself and your fellow officers by releasing this violent, out-of-control felon from a LEGAL neck hold? How easy it is to be a armchair quarterback when there is no risk to yourself. Would you still question the need for caution or call the officer/officers murderers if they were your son or daughter?

Not what the coroner said.

You're absolutely correct.

I see a video put out by the TEA PARTY, not actual non bias observers, narrated by someone with very close ties to the FEDERALIST, again not exactly non bias.

Having said that....I detest these protests, and wonder why we have no protests against people who slaughter 10 or so innocent people. There are simply statements that any man has the right to own and carry a war designed and made for war.

Mr Floyd was certainly not a model citizen, but reviewing everything from the arrest it self to the demonstrations and reaction by law enforcement, there is much to be embarrassed by on those who find these tragedies to be spark for more action.

We are a country divided and split by hate.....with no silver lining ahead. We embarrass ourselves every day....we long ago, shed the label of "the shining light on the hill".

This was posted to rile folks up and I am sure it will, yet others get banned because they defend our very government but then again.....all those folks had white skin and heavy weight backing.

It gets very difficult to want justice when so many are dedicated to the theory that justice belongs to a select few.

Those who preach on here about Villagers and how "we" did it the right way, and "we" deserve and others do not. That is pure bunk and I think you know it. Do you know how many more have all done it correctly and are on skid row ? Do you know how many have NEVER done the right thing, yet have led a charmed and wonderful life.

These generalities simply ignore reality but then again, we are living a fantasy life, aren't we ?

I don't see anyone getting riled up until this post. In my opinion everyone else stated their opinion and why they felt that way. They stayed on topic too.

This from the link in Tals post #5

"The Hennepin County medical examiner ruled the cause of death as “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression.” A Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s press release says the manner of death is homicide.
Floyd’s family had a second autopsy performed by Dr. Michael Baden and Dr. Allecia Wilson. Baden found the cause of Floyd’s death as “traumatic asphyxia due to compression of his neck and back during restraint by police” and called the manner of death homicide. Wilson listed the death as “asphyxia due to neck and back compression led to a lack of blood flow to the brain.”
Notes in a witness contact form from an interview with Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County medical examiner, show that he found the level of Fentanyl in Floyd’s system was “higher than a chronic pain patient,” but adds, “I’m not saying this killed him.” The notes also mention “a relatively low level of methamphetamine.”

Sometime, we need to begin to be anti hate....discuss how to understand each other, and to help our country all races, gender and religion move forward.

We preach it often but we sure do not even give it a nod, and we sure do not seem to understand what this is doing to this country.

Somehow we are locked in on "sides" and we must win.....win.....win.....what ever side or race you have chosen, you root for them and find something to justify whatever our "favorite" race, religion of political side has done.

We will wake up....my hope is it will not be too late, unless we have already crossed that bridge

Please...
 

Yours is the first reference to race or perceived social disparity in this thread. Please don't start the "elitist Villagers" or "white privilege" conversation, as it is tiresome and irrelevant, and has nothing to do with the body cam evidence presented in the video by the OP.

The city settled very quickly, indubitably to avoid more riots, burning and looting. The autopsy evidence was diametrically contrary to their decision. George Floyd was a dead man walking before his encounter with police. Please explain how lynching police officers for performing their duties is "important" to your country...

How exactly were the "facts" slanted in the video?

Minnesota Burning
 

I started this thread because I am a retired LEO and was ashamed of the way this cop treated Floyd as portrayed in the limited videos in the main stream media. After viewing this more detailed video. it was obvious to me that the cop was not applying that much force to Floyd's neck as he (Floyd) was able to raise it. I was also unaware of the amount of this deadly drug in Floyd's system.

I now think that " The Powers To Be" quickly filed charges to try and quell the "Civi Unrest" and then pressured the Coroner to issue the finding he did.

A carotid restraint does not cut off oxygen but instead puts pressure on the carotid arteries to diminish blood-flow to the brain and where properly deployed will render a subject unconscious in 4-7 seconds. Injury or death is plausible if the arteries remain constricted for more than 20 seconds.

Tell me more about how his blood was cut off for 8 minutes...

Won't pretend to understand the explanation you gave. Medicine and economics are not my sweet spot, but appreciate what is an attempt to clarify.

Someday, all these juvilnile conspiracy theories may go away. Tired of YouTube, Facebook, etc masquerading as fact. At least the National Enquirer was only available in certain stores, where those who lived in that fantasy world could "get their fix"

It has become so mainstream and relished (and unbelievably believed) by far too many.

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that."

Didn't Floyd and the police officer work together as bouncers at a local bar?

I seem to recall that.

How despicable of you to use the word lynching in your screed. Lynching is as any aware and educated person would know, perhaps that includes you, is not what is happening when a cop who is charged with homicide is given a trial and a presumption of innocence. Lynching is what happened to mostly Black americans who were grabbed from their homes and often from jails and with the tactic support of "police" were murdered by white people. Of course a few Jews and others got lynched too as all "others" were at risk. Almost no lynching cases ever resulted in a prosecution or a conviction. How dare you suggest that Chauvin is being lynched. Disgusting. Your word choice was not hyperbole so don't use that as an excuse.

Here's real lynching not so long ago here in Florida. Yes it's long, but read it and let the images burn into your memory so you'll never use the term lynching again to describe the Chauvin trial

Your vitriolic response was predictable. And I stand with my original assessment.

"Trash" might be harsh but it would be hard to argue that the presentation is unbiased.

The former Federal and State Prosecutor uses the video to make his points. He generated the video, he knows what is in it, yet he puts words into the mouth of the store owner that are not present on his video.

The video is edited to cut out several minutes between approaching the car and sitting Floyd on the sidewalk. The video is also edited to cut about six minutes of time the officer spent kneeling on Floyd's neck. Perhaps it was only edited to remove periods of time where nothing was happening but it was edited.

If the officer is being accused of kneeling on the neck for an unnecessarily long period of time then editing the video to reduce that amount of time seems suspicious.

[QUOTE=Bill14564;1922162]"Trash" might be harsh but it would be hard to argue that the presentation is unbiased.

The former Federal and State Prosecutor uses the video to make his points. He generated the video, he knows what is in it, yet he puts words into the mouth of the store owner that are not present on his video.

The video is edited to cut out several minutes between approaching the car and sitting Floyd on the sidewalk. The video is also edited to cut about six minutes of time the officer spent kneeling on Floyd's neck. Perhaps it was only edited to remove periods of time where nothing was happening but it was edited.

"Perhaps it was only edited to remove periods of time where nothing was happening" There was a lot happening during this time...He was slowly being killed! Should not have been edited IMO

To clarify MY use of the word "trash"....

I use it to describe...

.....Sending of false information and purporting it to be accurate

.....disseminating disinformation on any subject.

It speaks directly to the author and his/her dishonesty and lack of respect for any reader.

When you see a video on YOUTUBE, you must consider its source........that channel is used daily to present DISINFORMATION, which some weak people will believe.

The fact is that if Floyd was white, the story wouldn’t have even been covered by the national news media...

You opinion, that’s it.

According to the bar owner, they both worked there (along with 20 some odd other security/bouncers), but never during the same shifts...

He said he didn't think they even knew each other...

you obviously did not watch the video with EXPERT commentary

why don't you watch the video before you call it murder

Like many of todays problem, race and politics is a major factor on public opinion, and so it has proved in this case.
One half of the political/racial divide calls it murder, and the other half call it justifiable homicide.
From the majority of media reports and opinions I have seen and read so far, the officer has already been found guilty.
One thing for sure, if the verdict is anything but guilty, Minnesota will be burning!
JMO.

The bar owner really would like the pressure off his business. Point is they worked at the same place which was never mentioned by the media. Something doesn't add up. Passing/cleaning counterfeit money?

Spin?? Is that the new definition of facts?

You might understand it better, if instead of the word "spin" - insert "alternative facts."

Regardless of the facts, if anyone thinks that this "trial" is anything but predetermined, you must be living in an alternate universe. The late introduction of the 3rd Degree Murder charge should tell you all you need to know.

I don't believe the outcome of this trial is predetermined and the late introduction of the 3rd degree murder charge (if there was one, I don't know) only serves to confirm that.

If the trial is predetermined in favor of the prosecution then why would introduce a lesser charge? The prosecution could sit back and wait for a conviction on the more serious charge.

If the trial is predetermined in favor of the defense then why introduce a lesser charge? Introduction of a lesser charge when the outcome has already been decided would appear to be an act of desperation move and would work against the prosecution.

I don't know what the correct verdict is and I don't know if the jury will return it. I do know a lot of people have already decided what they will accept as a proper verdict and unfortunately, that says a lot about our country today.

Yes...have found folks don't like the term "liar" or "spin" but ar comfortable with "alternate facts". Strange world