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forebubba 04-23-2021 08:27 AM

Green fees increase for Month of May
 
Summer season greens fees used to be May 1 till October 15th
Then it went from May 1 till September 30
Then they combined Summer and Fall raising the summer rate and lowering the fall rate. An increase but not real bad.
Yes costs go up
Now the winter season rate will continue until June 1
Green fees for May compared to last year will be $20 to $30 higher in the afternoon wave (priority and resident)
Green fees for May compared to last year will be $13 to $22 higher in the morning wave.
As a priority member I will not play the championship courses in May. playing twice a week that is a $160 increase.
I will play the execs and venture outside the Villages.
What is next, Winter season starts November this year too?

Example: World Woods, rated on the top 10 in Florida is $35 including lunch in May.
A 4 some will save $68 which will pay for gas
My choice yes, My protest.

drcar 04-23-2021 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forebubba (Post 1934054)
Summer season greens fees used to be May 1 till October 15th
Then it went from May 1 till September 30
Then they combined Summer and Fall raising the summer rate and lowering the fall rate. An increase but not real bad.
Yes costs go up
Now the winter season rate will continue until June 1
Green fees for May compared to last year will be $20 to $30 higher in the afternoon wave (priority and resident)
Green fees for May compared to last year will be $13 to $22 higher in the morning wave.
As a priority member I will not play the championship courses in May. playing twice a week that is a $160 increase.
I will play the execs and venture outside the Villages.
What is next, Winter season starts November this year too?

Example: World Woods, rated on the top 10 in Florida is $35 including lunch in May.
A 4 some will save $68 which will pay for gas
My choice yes, My protest.

Let us know how the protest works

Dana1963 04-23-2021 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forebubba (Post 1934054)
Summer season greens fees used to be May 1 till October 15th
Then it went from May 1 till September 30
Then they combined Summer and Fall raising the summer rate and lowering the fall rate. An increase but not real bad.
Yes costs go up
Now the winter season rate will continue until June 1
Green fees for May compared to last year will be $20 to $30 higher in the afternoon wave (priority and resident)
Green fees for May compared to last year will be $13 to $22 higher in the morning wave.
As a priority member I will not play the championship courses in May. playing twice a week that is a $160 increase.
I will play the execs and venture outside the Villages.
What is next, Winter season starts November this year too?

Example: World Woods, rated on the top 10 in Florida is $35 including lunch in May.
A 4 some will save $68 which will pay for gas
My choice yes, My protest.

Finally someone got smart CONGRATULATIONS and success on your decision.

JGVillages 04-23-2021 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forebubba (Post 1934054)
summer season greens fees used to be may 1 till october 15th
then it went from may 1 till september 30
then they combined summer and fall raising the summer rate and lowering the fall rate. An increase but not real bad.
Yes costs go up
now the winter season rate will continue until june 1
green fees for may compared to last year will be $20 to $30 higher in the afternoon wave (priority and resident)
green fees for may compared to last year will be $13 to $22 higher in the morning wave.
as a priority member i will not play the championship courses in may. Playing twice a week that is a $160 increase.
I will play the execs and venture outside the villages.
What is next, winter season starts november this year too?

Example: World woods, rated on the top 10 in florida is $35 including lunch in may.
A 4 some will save $68 which will pay for gas
my choice yes, my protest.

obviously the additional revenue is being applied to maintenance of the courses?????????????????

justjim 04-23-2021 01:06 PM

If you live in The Villages, we are “rich” so I hear... Op, most golfers will likely take the increase “in stride” because of the convenience. Given the increase championship course golfers have choices to make.

rjn5656 04-23-2021 03:19 PM

Lot of nice golf outside of the villages.

Celebrator 04-23-2021 03:55 PM

My decision to combat costs and conditions
 
As a priority member who plays 4 times per week and has endured the increased rates and less than good conditions on some courses until this latest change, I have decided to golf Villages courses 2 times per week and play off site once per week. Our group of 20 which plays one day per week voted to go off site. Perhaps this will only open up times for other golfers but it just shows that when even loyal Village golfers feel they are not being treated fairly they will look elsewhere. When conditions improve, we will reassess our decision. We all hope changes are made.

GoPacers 04-23-2021 04:21 PM

Many of the courses are in bad shape because there is simply too much play. Raising rates is one way to cut back on the play without losing revenue.

Not sure that's what they are doing but our group went outside the villages because the courses are in rough shape. We'll come back when the courses are in better shape.

Andyb 04-24-2021 04:52 AM

In line with what is happening in our country today. It is the world for the elitist only.

swooner 04-24-2021 05:45 AM

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!

golfing eagles 04-24-2021 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 1934350)
In line with what is happening in our country today. It is the world for the elitist only.

Great!!!! Let's turn a May greens fee increase thread into one on class warfare. Ever wonder how threads get off track?

paulajr 04-24-2021 06:10 AM

I hope you complained just as loudly last Fall when the less expensive Summer rates continued instead of the more expensive Fall Rates....

jabacon6669 04-24-2021 06:29 AM

This is terrible, greed at work. Who decides this? This will turn many people off to golf. And, will turn many to the Executive courses which are already over booked and taking a beating. I for one love golf, and play 3 times per week. I am a priority member. Thats roughly $700, plus 150 x $47 = $7050 + the $700 = 7750. granted you save a little in the summer, but not that much. Then how about your monthly amenities fee which has to include something for the executive courses. I don't play the executive courses but still pay. I bet a good $100 of that fee goes to support the executives. And I'm saving on trail fees, but you have to figure in the fact you bought a golf cart, so pro-rate some of that. Ouch. So, I figure, I must be paying around 9K for golf here. Someone is just trying to drain you. I could join a lot of privates for far less than that. I might think about that.

Fastskiguy 04-24-2021 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forebubba (Post 1934054)

Example: World Woods, rated on the top 10 in Florida is $35 including lunch in May.
A 4 some will save $68 which will pay for gas
My choice yes, My protest.

Thanks for the World Woods tip, it's only another 20 minutes farther than Nancy Lopez for us living down south. It looks spectacular and is a lot cheaper too!

wamley 04-24-2021 06:37 AM

Played World Woods last month. Greens were beautiful, but the rest not so much. Meet friends from down south to play a round. Its about about 1/2 hour from here. Happen we had two threesomes and a member joined us. He said the course is in transition from old meembers t o an attempt to attract younger members. Everything is dated. He said their working on one thing at a time, greens obviously the first thing and they were great. I wouldn't want to drive the 30- 40 inutes to play it though on any regular basis.

Billy1 04-24-2021 06:53 AM

I can't believe how much money we have, to be taken from us.

dewilson58 04-24-2021 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jabacon6669 (Post 1934384)
This is terrible, greed at work. Who decides this? This will turn many people off to golf. And, will turn many to the Executive courses which are already over booked and taking a beating. I for one love golf, and play 3 times per week. I am a priority member. Thats roughly $700, plus 150 x $47 = $7050 + the $700 = 7750. granted you save a little in the summer, but not that much. Then how about your monthly amenities fee which has to include something for the executive courses. I don't play the executive courses but still pay. I bet a good $100 of that fee goes to support the executives. And I'm saving on trail fees, but you have to figure in the fact you bought a golf cart, so pro-rate some of that. Ouch. So, I figure, I must be paying around 9K for golf here. Someone is just trying to drain you. I could join a lot of privates for far less than that. I might think about that.

You look like a Newbie................when did you move to TV & how much has rates gone up??

rlcooper70 04-24-2021 07:26 AM

I think we have to be careful to keep being thankful for what we have here in TV .... going off site makes sense ..... and yet if TV feels there is so much demand as to warrant the increase then that's just capitalism. Free country.

OhioBuckeye 04-24-2021 07:27 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
The older things get the sooner they need more maintenance. Hope TV doesn’t start charging for the Executive Courses!

Lakeside5012 04-24-2021 07:51 AM

T
Inflation.

forebubba 04-24-2021 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulajr (Post 1934376)
I hope you complained just as loudly last Fall when the less expensive Summer rates continued instead of the more expensive Fall Rates....

Do the Math...It was an overall price increase

forebubba 04-24-2021 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1934413)
You look like a Newbie................when did you move to TV & how much has rates gone up??

I
I have been coming here since 2001
Bought in 2006

collie1228 04-24-2021 07:59 AM

I have always been of the opinion that the convenience of playing golf at the championship courses was worth some extra cost, so I've played them twice a week for the nine years I've been here. And I've been reasonably happy to do so. Now, I'm not so sure. My priority membership is up for renewal in July, so I have a decision to make. The OP is correct that the rates have been going up substantially over the past couple of years, and I believe that several of the golf courses are in disgraceful condition. In the end I'll probably bite the bullet and keep playing in The Villages. But I don't like it, and believe the third generation is showing its greed in a misplaced way. Some people will stop supporting them, and whether it affects their business is anyone's guess.

riamd1954 04-24-2021 08:14 AM

That’s crazy

tophcfa 04-24-2021 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulajr (Post 1934376)
I hope you complained just as loudly last Fall when the less expensive Summer rates continued instead of the more expensive Fall Rates....

You are twisting what actually happened last year. They combined the summer and fall season into one, resulting in higher summer rates and slightly lower fall rates. They also eliminated the unlimited play after 1:00 that previously existed. Then this year, for the first time, they included May as a very high priced winter month. Who only knows what unpleasant surprises will be coming our way when the new rates are released sometime in the next month?

dewilson58 04-24-2021 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forebubba (Post 1934448)
I
I have been coming here since 2001
Bought in 2006

Good 4 U, but I didn't ask.
:loco:

jbrown132 04-24-2021 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forebubba (Post 1934054)
Summer season greens fees used to be May 1 till October 15th
Then it went from May 1 till September 30
Then they combined Summer and Fall raising the summer rate and lowering the fall rate. An increase but not real bad.
Yes costs go up
Now the winter season rate will continue until June 1
Green fees for May compared to last year will be $20 to $30 higher in the afternoon wave (priority and resident)
Green fees for May compared to last year will be $13 to $22 higher in the morning wave.
As a priority member I will not play the championship courses in May. playing twice a week that is a $160 increase.
I will play the execs and venture outside the Villages.
What is next, Winter season starts November this year too?

Example: World Woods, rated on the top 10 in Florida is $35 including lunch in May.
A 4 some will save $68 which will pay for gas
My choice yes, My protest.

I agree, but get use to it. The know they have a captive audience that will not venture far. Would not mind it if they put money back into the courses but that does mot happen often. They never roll the greens, there is more sand in the traps than there is at the beach and little grass on the fairways if anyone during winter. The golf courses here are average at best and the rates are high. At certain times of the year there are much better deals and better conditions outside The Villages. It all about greed.

blueash 04-24-2021 08:28 AM

It seems that golf is a lower priority for the ownership team as shown by how many fewer courses they include in the newer areas. Once they decide that golf is not an essential ingredient in home sales and marketing shows no need to have championship courses to continue positive cash flow...

If you owned say a couple hundred holes of high maintenance grass that could be replaced with several thousand houses for sale.. hmm. Perhaps the poor conditions and increased costs are part of a nefarious plan to make the courses expendable. Win for you golfers who find the off site options better, and win for the Morse family who get to stop taking care of grass and sell more houses.

Jokomo 04-24-2021 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy (Post 1934391)
Thanks for the World Woods tip, it's only another 20 minutes farther than Nancy Lopez for us living down south. It looks spectacular and is a lot cheaper too!

Try Juliette Falls in Dunellen. Excellent condition, cheaper than TV.
Or Citrus Hills or Skyview. Excellent condition, cheaper than TV. Or Red Tail by Eustis. Or even Harbor Hills, 5 miles or so east of 466/27 intersection . Cheaper and usually in better shape. Or Deer Island Tavares. Or any of the Ocala courses. Not all are cheaper, but all are in better shape.

Villagers are not getting good value for their golf dollar.

tophcfa 04-24-2021 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1934467)
It seems that golf is a lower priority for the ownership team as shown by how many fewer courses they include in the newer areas. Once they decide that golf is not an essential ingredient in home sales and marketing shows no need to have championship courses to continue positive cash flow...

If you owned say a couple hundred holes of high maintenance grass that could be replaced with several thousand houses for sale.. hmm. Perhaps the poor conditions and increased costs are part of a nefarious plan to make the courses expendable. Win for you golfers who find the off site options better, and win for the Morse family who get to stop taking care of grass and sell more houses.

The golf courses are designed as emergency flood plains, so they are seemingly protected from development. That does not mean they couldn’t be converted into some other form of recreational activities, but not homesites. The clubhouses on the other hand have been proven to be fair game. Who knows, some day whenever one pulls up to a Championship course, they could be greeted by a high rise rental apartment complex and the pro shop is nothing but a starter shack?

laboutj 04-24-2021 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1934467)
It seems that golf is a lower priority for the ownership team as shown by how many fewer courses they include in the newer areas. Once they decide that golf is not an essential ingredient in home sales and marketing shows no need to have championship courses to continue positive cash flow...

If you owned say a couple hundred holes of high maintenance grass that could be replaced with several thousand houses for sale.. hmm. Perhaps the poor conditions and increased costs are part of a nefarious plan to make the courses expendable. Win for you golfers who find the off site options better, and win for the Morse family who get to stop taking care of grass and sell more houses.

Bingo!

There are plenty of access points to make streets and entire new neighborhoods where the country clubs are located.

tophcfa 04-24-2021 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jokomo (Post 1934469)
Try Juliette Falls in Dunellen. Excellent condition, cheaper than TV.
Or Citrus Hills or Skyview. Excellent condition, cheaper than TV. Or Red Tail by Eustis. Or even Harbor Hills, 5 miles or so east of 466/27 intersection . Cheaper and usually in better shape. Or Deer Island Tavares. Or any of the Ocala courses. Not all are cheaper, but all are in better shape.

Villagers are not getting good value for their golf dollar.

Do all of the off campus courses you referenced take T-Times? My wife and I ventured outside the bubble to play at Baseline in Ocala, but they don’t take T-Times. We won’t be returning there as there was about an hour and 45 minute wait.

virtualcynthia 04-24-2021 09:18 AM

Stop telling people. My husband will have a harder time getting tee times for his group. 😁😁.

Janie123 04-24-2021 10:01 AM

I live on a city owned course in Denver, green fees are $65 during the week and $75 on the weekend... I'm thrilled when I can come to the Villages in the winter and save money on some great golf courses.... Go to Scottsdale in the winter, you'll be paying $100+

If the tee times in TV are 80-90% capacity, they are charging just the right amount. 100% all the time, economics (supply and demand) say raise the rates, 50% capacity, lower the rates... do you think these people that run this place are idiots???

Fischer 04-24-2021 11:25 AM

Is that leaving the heat on JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN. give us all a break!!

tophcfa 04-24-2021 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsapen@mindspring.com (Post 1934509)
I live on a city owned course in Denver, green fees are $65 during the week and $75 on the weekend... I'm thrilled when I can come to the Villages in the winter and save money on some great golf courses.... Go to Scottsdale in the winter, you'll be paying $100+

If the tee times in TV are 80-90% capacity, they are charging just the right amount. 100% all the time, economics (supply and demand) say raise the rates, 50% capacity, lower the rates... do you think these people that run this place are idiots???

You are absolutely correct, supply and demand dictates the ability to charge a higher rate. The people that run this place have purposely created a favorable supply and demand situation to support price increases by building a crapload of new houses since Belle Glade opened (the last Championship course to open), without adding a single new hole of Championship golf. Where we live during the summer, it is a different dynamic because the population of old retired people is small relative to the general population. We can play really nice courses during weekdays, with the senior citizen discount, for between $28 - $42 with a cart. The only hitch is you have to get out early enough to make the turn before the horn sounds and the working folks slide down the dinosaurs tail and rush to the courses for leagues. The same courses cost $55 - $75 to play on weekends, unless you go out after 3 PM on Sundays. It's all supply and demand driven.

stebooo 04-24-2021 11:43 AM

I try to play mostly off-campus.the problem for golfers is there is no championship course south of brownwood. So all that pent up demand or a golf course push north. The developer owns ll the championship courses.

Neils 04-24-2021 12:21 PM

Play more and they will build more courses. Supply and demand

Protest and abandon the courses?? Guess what will happen.

donassaid 04-24-2021 12:27 PM

Apparently, a billion dollars just doesn't go as far as it used to so the Developer needs the extra greens fees for an additional month.

donassaid 04-24-2021 12:30 PM

Exactly how are you saving money when the Winter rates in The Villages are $64?


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