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DeanFL 05-20-2021 07:51 AM

Transgender woman golfer wins mini-tour event, aims for LPGA
 
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Well, the landscape of Mens/Womens pro sports has a challenge, perhaps not totally new, but certainly will escalate in the future.

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So much for fairness: Transgender woman golfer wins mini-tour event, aims for LPGA

Last week, Hailey Davidson, a transgender woman, won her first professional title in Florida, topping LPGA player Perrine Delacour for the win.

The same day, she was sent an email by the USGA saying she’s met the organization’s Gender Policy eligibility criteria and can now compete in its championships and she’s hoping to hear similar news from the LPGA via a reciprocity agreement, according to Golfweek.

In January, Ms. Davidson underwent gender reassignment surgery, and she’s been undergoing hormone treatments since 2015. Since transitioning, Ms. Davidson said she hits shorter and swings slower — yet she still was born a man, and obviously, has a physical advantage over biological women.

The science in these cases is clear. Biological men have more muscle mass, larger hearts and lungs, and therefore greater stamina than biological women. Their bones are bigger, and their testosterone helps promote muscle memory — that doesn’t go away even after hormone therapy. Therefore, transgender girls have a heightened ability to build strength even after they’ve transitioned.


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Transgender woman golfer wins mini-tour event, aims for LPGA - Washington Times

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Tmarkwald 05-20-2021 07:53 AM

sick, really sick

Stu from NYC 05-20-2021 08:02 AM

Wonder why feminists are so quiet on this issue?

When womens sports are taken over by transgenders perhaps they will wake up

golfing eagles 05-20-2021 08:04 AM

LPGA = Lost Previous Gender Assignment

Alternatively, golf's freak show.

Chi-Town 05-20-2021 08:14 AM

Nothing new.



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OrangeBlossomBaby 05-20-2021 08:15 AM

If they'd just get rid of mens' and womens' clubs entirely, I think it'd work out just fine. Make them all mixed. Heck you could even include a requirement that each team have at least one transgender of each gender in order to compete on the national level.

DeanFL 05-20-2021 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1947529)
If they'd just get rid of mens' and womens' clubs entirely, I think it'd work out just fine. Make them all mixed. Heck you could even include a requirement that each team have at least one transgender of each gender in order to compete on the national level.

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are you serious re this or is this an attempt for a "laugh a day"?
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golfing eagles 05-20-2021 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1947529)
If they'd just get rid of mens' and womens' clubs entirely, I think it'd work out just fine. Make them all mixed. Heck you could even include a requirement that each team have at least one transgender of each gender in order to compete on the national level.

In other words, spread the transgenders out evenly to create a level playing field???? I don't think so.

Tmarkwald 05-20-2021 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1947529)
If they'd just get rid of mens' and womens' clubs entirely, I think it'd work out just fine. Make them all mixed. Heck you could even include a requirement that each team have at least one transgender of each gender in order to compete on the national level.

and now we have the mentally confused endorsing 63, now 81 genders.

https://apath.org/63-genders/

tuccillo 05-20-2021 08:28 AM

The post is about professional golf. With a few exceptions, such as the Ryder Cup and Solheim Cup, professional golf is not a team sport. Try to keep up.

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1947529)
If they'd just get rid of mens' and womens' clubs entirely, I think it'd work out just fine. Make them all mixed. Heck you could even include a requirement that each team have at least one transgender of each gender in order to compete on the national level.


PugMom 05-20-2021 08:48 AM

even bruce jenner says this is bogus. it's none of my business which lifestyle someone chooses, but jeez,...how could this even be allowed in the world of sports?:shocked:

Bill14564 05-20-2021 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1947569)
you support this crap?

Biological Male Wins Women’s Cycling World Championship

TOTV is no place for this

I don't support discrimination, insults, and threats of physical harm.

I also dislike simplistic solutions posed for complex situations.

golfing eagles 05-20-2021 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1947574)
I don't support discrimination, insults, and threats of physical harm.

I also dislike simplistic solutions posed for complex situations.

Actually it is pretty simple

You're born male or female and that's the hand you are dealt. There shouldn't be any "do-overs"

And I'm sure most of us would discriminate against and insult Nazi war criminals, KKK leaders and ISIS terrorists. And it is even worse when the taxpayer foots the bill for gender reassignment surgery on inmates and military personal.

Tmarkwald 05-20-2021 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1947574)
I don't support discrimination, insults, and threats of physical harm.

I don't either. I live with everyone. But discrimination in this case is required. Has to be.

But men competing in a physical sport against women is simply wrong.

Even if he is wearing a dress.

As far as threats of physical harm?

Do you think it is OK for a man to follow your little girl into the ladies room?

Villageswimmer 05-20-2021 09:14 AM

Very sad situation for young women who have spent their lives working to excel in their sport. So unfair to them.

Chi-Town 05-20-2021 09:21 AM

Renee Richard's played in the U.S.Open over 40 years ago. There were the same comments then. How is the WTA (Women's Tennis Association) doing today? No comments about tennis not being golf please.

tophcfa 05-20-2021 09:37 AM

Gender should not be determined by what’s between the ears, but rather by what’s between ones legs when they were born. This freak should not be allowed to compete against biological women.

Bill14564 05-20-2021 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1947579)
I don't either. I live with everyone. But discrimination in this case is required. Has to be.

But men competing in a physical sport against women is simply wrong.

Even if he is wearing a dress.

As far as threats of physical harm?

Do you think it is OK for a man to follow your little girl into the ladies room?

I disagree with you.

It simply is not that simple.

We have had different life experiences and it shows.

Boomer 05-20-2021 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1947578)
Actually it is pretty simple

You're born male or female and that's the hand you are dealt. There shouldn't be any "do-overs"

And I'm sure most of us would discriminate against and insult Nazi war criminals, KKK leaders and ISIS terrorists. The "people" are even bigger freaks. And it is even worse when the taxpayer foots the bill for gender reassignment surgery on inmates and military personal.


golfing eagles,

Please clarify your statement for me -- and I am serious -- because I truly hope I am reading your post wrong. . .

While you are certainly branching out from the subject of sports competition and making your hatred of transgender human beings quite clear, did you actually just say that transgender people (and I did not miss your need to be sarcastic by enclosing the word 'people' in quotation marks) are worse than Nazi war criminals, KKK leaders, and ISIS terrorists?

Boomer

Tmarkwald 05-20-2021 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1947579)
I don't either. I live with everyone. But discrimination in this case is required. Has to be.

But men competing in a physical sport against women is simply wrong.

Even if he is wearing a dress.

As far as threats of physical harm?

Do you think it is OK for a man to follow your little girl into the ladies room?




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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1947597)
I disagree with you.

OK, then substantiate what you are disagreeing with?

Men competing physically against women?

or

Men using the ladies' room?

And please provide reasoning behind this.

It has zero to do with LGBTQ and everything to do with physical biological gender.

We're not discussing whether someone identifies as a gender different from their biological plumbing....,but fairness in sports.

Tmarkwald 05-20-2021 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1947613)
golfing eagles,

Please clarify your statement for me -- and I am serious -- because I truly hope I am reading your post wrong. . .

While you are certainly branching out from the subject of sports competition and making your hatred of transgender human beings quite clear, did you actually just say that transgender people (and I did not miss your need to be sarcastic by enclosing the word 'people' in quotation marks) are worse than Nazi war criminals, KKK leaders, and ISIS terrorists?

Boomer

I get exactly where he is coming from. Discrimination. He is classifying those 'people' as being in an entire different universe as the rest of us. And, yeah, we hate them.. And putting quotations around 'people' is simply dehumanizing them as people who commit those atrocities don't deserve the title of 'human'....

But....

There's no hatred for trans people in his statement, simply a statement that you are born biologically as either F or M. And no amount of surgery or drugs can ever change that. You are forever F or M. No matter what you get cut off or put on, it does not matter. There is no do-over.

Ben Franklin 05-20-2021 10:01 AM

I don't know if people still want females to be thought of as the weaker sex, but I wouldn't want to run into any of these ladies.

https://www.muscleandfitness.com/wp-...y=86&strip=all

Tmarkwald 05-20-2021 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben Franklin (Post 1947623)
I don't know if people still want females to be thought of as the weaker sex, but I wouldn't want to run into any of these ladies.

https://www.muscleandfitness.com/wp-...y=86&strip=all


I don't even have to hit the link.

Anybody or anything that injects that much anabolic steroids into their system is nuts..

Anabolic steroids are synthetic, or human-made, variations of the male sex hormone testosterone. The proper term for these compounds is anabolic-androgenic steroids. "Anabolic" refers to muscle building, and "androgenic" refers to increased male sex characteristics.

GrumpyOldMan 05-20-2021 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1947578)
Actually it is pretty simple

You're born male or female and that's the hand you are dealt. There shouldn't be any "do-overs"

And I'm sure most of us would discriminate against and insult Nazi war criminals, KKK leaders and ISIS terrorists. The "people" are even bigger freaks. And it is even worse when the taxpayer foots the bill for gender reassignment surgery on inmates and military personal.

Everyday babies are born with genitals that can not be identified as male or female.

Everyday babies are born with genitals of both sexes.

Everyday babies are born with genitals that do not match their genes.

Everyday children are born with genes that do not define “normal” sexual orientation- ie. they don’t have the standard two genes, X and Y combination,

These babies have to grow up in a world full of cruel hateful people.

golfing eagles 05-20-2021 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1947613)
golfing eagles,

Please clarify your statement for me -- and I am serious -- because I truly hope I am reading your post wrong. . .

While you are certainly branching out from the subject of sports competition and making your hatred of transgender human beings quite clear, did you actually just say that transgender people (and I did not miss your need to be sarcastic by enclosing the word 'people' in quotation marks) are worse than Nazi war criminals, KKK leaders, and ISIS terrorists?

Boomer

No, not at all---and if it sounded that way I apologize. I was trying to imply that there are certain groups that MAY deserve insults.
And I don't "hate" transgender people, I just disagree with the whole concept
And I disagree even more if I am footing the bill

Ben Franklin 05-20-2021 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1947625)
I don't even have to hit the link.

Anybody or anything that injects that much anabolic steroids into their system is nuts..

Anabolic steroids are synthetic, or human-made, variations of the male sex hormone testosterone. The proper term for these compounds is anabolic-androgenic steroids. "Anabolic" refers to muscle building, and "androgenic" refers to increased male sex characteristics.

Chill. It was a joke. I would never take anabolic steroids. I like my frumpy body ;-). I would never tell a woman she is the weaker sex, as their bodies create babies.

PugMom 05-20-2021 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Villageswimmer (Post 1947581)
Very sad situation for young women who have spent their lives working to excel in their sport. So unfair to them.

:boom: Bingo~!

golfing eagles 05-20-2021 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1947639)
Everyday babies are born with genitals that can not be identified as male or female.

Everyday babies are born with genitals of both sexes.

Everyday babies are born with genitals that do not match their genes.

Everyday children are born with genes that do not define “normal” sexual orientation- ie. they don’t have the standard two genes, X and Y combination,

These babies have to grow up in a world full of cruel hateful people.

Everyday babies are born with genitals that can not be identified as male or female.

Yes, there are cases of ambiguous genitalia. And for them, corrective surgery to bring their phenotype into agreement with their genotype is wonderful. Unfortunately, many are scarred by the junior high locker room. This is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT situation from a conscious choice to change genders.

Everyday babies are born with genitals of both sexes.

Hermaphroditism is rare but also occurs. Same correction as above

Everyday babies are born with genitals that do not match their genes.

That would be something that I am not familiar with. There are cases of testicular feminization syndrome, but that's not really the same thing


Everyday children are born with genes that do not define “normal” sexual orientation- ie. they don’t have the standard two genes, X and Y combination,

Those anomalies, such as Kleinfelter"s and Turner's syndrome, do not define "sexual orientation". They are genetic "mutations" that are usually fatal during the first trimester, but occasionally will escape nature's failsafe system and be born. Again, it has nothing to do with gender reassignment.

Tmarkwald 05-20-2021 10:49 AM

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Chill. It was a joke. I would never take anabolic steroids. I like my frumpy body ;-). I would never tell a woman she is the weaker sex, as their bodies create babies.

I know it was.. But she has to shave. Shave EVERYWHERE!

Stu from NYC 05-20-2021 10:55 AM

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I know it was.. But she has to shave. Shave EVERYWHERE!

Wow that is one sexy _____. No idea how to complete the sentence

bobdeb 05-20-2021 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1947529)
If they'd just get rid of mens' and womens' clubs entirely, I think it'd work out just fine. Make them all mixed. Heck you could even include a requirement that each team have at least one transgender of each gender in order to compete on the national level.

We could all use the same restrooms. Oh, wait, we already can do that.

How about the same locker room and showers? What could go wrong there?

Political correctness is amusing at times.

GrumpyOldMan 05-20-2021 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1947650)
Everyday babies are born with genitals that can not be identified as male or female.

Yes, there are cases of ambiguous genitalia. And for them, corrective surgery to bring their phenotype into agreement with their genotype is wonderful. Unfortunately, many are scarred by the junior high locker room. This is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT situation from a conscious choice to change genders.

Everyday babies are born with genitals of both sexes.

Hermaphroditism is rare but also occurs. Same correction as above

Everyday babies are born with genitals that do not match their genes.

That would be something that I am not familiar with. There are cases of testicular feminization syndrome, but that's not really the same thing


Everyday children are born with genes that do not define “normal” sexual orientation- ie. they don’t have the standard two genes, X and Y combination,

Those anomalies, such as Kleinfelter"s and Turner's syndrome, do not define "sexual orientation". They are genetic "mutations" that are usually fatal during the first trimester, but occasionally will escape nature's failsafe system and be born. Again, it has nothing to do with gender reassignment.

I completely disagree with you, and there is NO clear definition of "sexual orientation".

But, let's put that aside, what happened to "freedom". Why is it is worth fighting for the right to choose if only those things a particular person agrees with are covered.

So what if someone chooses to change the physical sex? Where do people get the right to pile hate and scorn onto someone because of their choice?

I could say that someones free choice of which person they want to have as president has a lot more impact on my life than what sex a person decides they identify as. And yet, if I come on here and describe that choice of presidents as evil or sick or discussing, I can be banned, but there is NOTHING wrong with attacking a person for their sexual choice.

Disgusting hypocrisy.

I think I need a break for this form.

Byte1 05-20-2021 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1947529)
If they'd just get rid of mens' and womens' clubs entirely, I think it'd work out just fine. Make them all mixed. Heck you could even include a requirement that each team have at least one transgender of each gender in order to compete on the national level.

Why?

Two Bills 05-20-2021 01:05 PM

I have no problem with blokes cutting off their wedding tackle and calling themselves Karen or whatever.
But.
If I were a ladies Pro Golfer I would raise holy heck to get them banned from competing in womens events.
It is not fair competition however you dress the situation (or him) up!
JMHO.

Byte1 05-20-2021 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1947520)
Wonder why feminists are so quiet on this issue?

When womens sports are taken over by transgenders perhaps they will wake up

You reap what you sow. If women protested this issue, then there would be a stop to it immediately. If they sit back and allow it, then they get treated just like they did before they won the right to vote.
I do not hate transgenders, gays, etc. I just do not condone it. I believe that what one is, they were born with, not able to change what GOD made them. What a person does in private (relationship) is their business and I just don't care. But, I do not believe that a male should be able to enter a restroom with a female child or adult. I do not believe in transgenders in sports unless the sport is classed as open gender, male and female. But, that is just my opinion. What entertainment does to entertain is up to them and if they start losing support, then I guess they will change. I don't have to watch a sport or any other type of entertainment if I disapprove of something. I do not watch football anymore because of the athletes kneeling during the National Anthem. That is my prerogative. And the interesting point is that now I no longer miss those sports.
Someone said it is not fair that a male is allowed to play in a sport that has been dedicated to females. It's been going on the other way also. Females have attempted to enter male sports such as football, etc. What is fair? I would have to say that it is not fair in public school that males can enter female sports. Developing girls should be able to compete on equal terms with other girls while they are developing in public school. Otherwise, I really don't care. Sports is just entertainment and if they want to add a new element to it, I guess they will see how the public accepts it or not.

LiverpoolWalrus 05-20-2021 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1947534)
In other words, spread the freaks out evenly to create a level playing field???? I don't think so.

"Freaks"? GE, aren't you a medical doctor?

LiverpoolWalrus 05-20-2021 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1947691)
I completely disagree with you, and there is NO clear definition of "sexual orientation".

But, let's put that aside, what happened to "freedom". Why is it is worth fighting for the right to choose if only those things a particular person agrees with are covered.

So what if someone chooses to change the physical sex? Where do people get the right to pile hate and scorn onto someone because of their choice?

I could say that someones free choice of which person they want to have as president has a lot more impact on my life than what sex a person decides they identify as. And yet, if I come on here and describe that choice of presidents as evil or sick or discussing, I can be banned, but there is NOTHING wrong with attacking a person for their sexual choice.

Disgusting hypocrisy.

I think I need a break for this form.

My hat's off to you, Grumpy. Whatever happened to the political philosophy that's so prevalent in the Villages - to live and let live, and be free to be yourself without interference?

bobdeb 05-20-2021 01:46 PM

If you consider the history of road races, gender, followed by age, has been the standard for classifications. Initially, there were males only races (e.g. Boston Marathon back when) until women rightfully protested and broke through. However they quickly realized they couldn't compete on an equal standing with men so a female classification was created. Sound fair?

With few exceptions, such as charity fund raisers, you must first quality in a previous marathon, within a certain time period, before being accepted into Boston. However, qualifying times for women were lower than for men in the same age group. They didn't have to run as fast to quality. Sound fair?

In my experience there were only a very few 'male only' races. This has completely changed as women could eventually get accepted but on different terms. For example there were races where you had to consume food and beverages at certain checkpoints without throwing up and being disqualified. Dead serious. Women couldn't consume as much as men so they had other limitations. Sound fair?

However, no male dare enter women's only races. That was their bastion only. It was ok for women to enter men's races, with considerations, but not men into women's. Sound fair?

My point being that women are going to find a way to protect their standing against any 'unfairness' and work to gain any handicap over those deemed physically superior. They are legion in this cause. Especially if there are records to be set, trophy and prize money to be won and scholarships at stake.

They will rise against any person they feel has an advantage. There will be some kind of handicap adopted to ensure they can compete on an even field against any class of individual.

LiverpoolWalrus 05-20-2021 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1947622)
I get exactly where he is coming from. Discrimination. He is classifying those 'people' as being in an entire different universe as the rest of us. And, yeah, we hate them.. And putting quotations around 'people' is simply dehumanizing them as people who commit those atrocities don't deserve the title of 'human'....

Well it's good to know where you stand. You do realize that there may be transgenders in the Villages or elsewhere reading this? And that doesn't matter?

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-20-2021 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1947728)
My hat's off to you, Grumpy. Whatever happened to the political philosophy that's so prevalent in the Villages - to live and let live, and be free to be yourself without interference?

It was a lie from the get-go. The actual rule is "live and let live, as long as you live in a way that fits my misguided, myopic, and totally warped sense of reality."

That has been the rule here, it is still the rule here, and unless more people like you, me, Grumpy, and yes even justjim work to change it, it'll continue to be the rule.

There are transgenders living right here in the Villages, who might have read these posts and seen that members of THEIR community are referring to them as "freaks." A doctor, no less. "America's Friendliest Hometown" is a lie.


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