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Penglobal 07-18-2021 06:27 PM

Best Medical Health Insurance @ 65
 
Hello -
After delaying for as long as I can, ( I've been 52 for a while), I'll be turning 65 in a few months and seeking guidance on the best possible medical insurance plan used by fellow Villagers without factoring-in cost.

My COBRA ends when I turn 65 and I am seeking a similar medical insurance plan comparable to my COBRA plan which essentially covered everything including prescription drugs, treatment from almost any physician with minimal out of pocket cost.

Thanks for your help.

TSO/ISPF 07-18-2021 06:51 PM

Medicare is not free. Check with Shine for help choosing your options.
 
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Originally Posted by Penglobal (Post 1975063)
Hello -
After delaying for as long as I can, ( I've been 52 for a while), I'll be turning 65 in a few months and seeking guidance on the best possible medical insurance plan used by fellow Villagers without factoring-in cost.

My COBRA ends when I turn 65 and I am seeking a similar medical insurance plan comparable to my COBRA plan which essentially covered everything including prescription drugs, treatment from almost any physician with minimal out of pocket cost.

Thanks for your help.

There website is:
SHINE - Home

I spoke with a women in the villages who helped me with that process who is part of that organization. They are not affiliated with any of the companies selling the various plans you can choose for "full" coverage.
It's provide by the state of Florida I believe.

kkingston57 07-19-2021 07:57 AM

Too many choices! I will be doing the same in early 2022 and not looking forward to it. For me I want to make sure that I will have good access to doctors, hospitals etc. when I am traveling. Have Florida Blue now and do like their service. Good luck.

villagetinker 07-19-2021 09:57 AM

Yes, absolutely talk to SHINE they saved us from making a very big mistake.

santiagobob 07-19-2021 10:11 AM

I have Medicare and a supplement policy with AARP United Healthcare. My plan has no co pays, deductibles and pays everything that Medicare does not cover. I have had 5 surgeries in the last 10 years including 9 days in ICU in U.F. Shands hospital and I have never paid a dime for any of these procedures. I can go anywhere and make my own appointments without a referral.I do pay a monthly premium, but one stay in a hospital Is worth a years premium
Bob B.

tuccillo 07-19-2021 12:28 PM

I am guessing you have UHC, via AARP, Plan F. If you live in Sumter County you can save yourself money by switching to Plan G ( no underwriting required). The Part B deductible (about $200) is covered by Plan F and not Plan G but the Plan G premiums are about $360 less. All other aspects are identical.

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Originally Posted by santiagobob (Post 1975307)
I have Medicare and a supplement policy with AARP United Healthcare. My plan has no co pays, deductibles and pays everything that Medicare does not cover. I have had 5 surgeries in the last 10 years including 9 days in ICU in U.F. Shands hospital and I have never paid a dime for any of these procedures. I can go anywhere and make my own appointments without a referral.I do pay a monthly premium, but one stay in a hospital Is worth a years premium
Bob B.


eweissenbach 07-19-2021 03:43 PM

My wife and I took care of my father for three years in our home prior to his death. I took care of all his finances and he had AARP UHC plan F and it paid for everything without question. When I turned 65 I signed up for AARP/UHC as did my wife when she turned 65. I have had the normal health issues, but my wife has had dozens of hospitalizations, in Kansas City as well as in the TV area, and we have never paid a cent out of pocket. There are probably cheaper plans out there, but the peace of mind we get that we are 100% covered is worth more than the premiums we pay (which are hundreds of thousands less than what the insurance has paid.)

champion6 07-19-2021 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by santiagobob (Post 1975307)
I have Medicare and a supplement policy with AARP United Healthcare. My plan has no co pays, deductibles and pays everything that Medicare does not cover. I have had 5 surgeries in the last 10 years including 9 days in ICU in U.F. Shands hospital and I have never paid a dime for any of these procedures. I can go anywhere and make my own appointments without a referral.I do pay a monthly premium, but one stay in a hospital Is worth a years premium
Bob B.

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Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 1975430)
My wife and I took care of my father for three years in our home prior to his death. I took care of all his finances and he had AARP UHC plan F and it paid for everything without question. When I turned 65 I signed up for AARP/UHC as did my wife when she turned 65. I have had the normal health issues, but my wife has had dozens of hospitalizations, in Kansas City as well as in the TV area, and we have never paid a cent out of pocket. There are probably cheaper plans out there, but the peace of mind we get that we are 100% covered is worth more than the premiums we pay (which are hundreds of thousands less than what the insurance has paid.)

Both of you forgot to mention that you also have a Prescription Drug Plan which covers most, but not all, of the cost for your prescriptions. I have the same combination as you do: Medicare + AARP medicare supplement + PDP.

TSO/ISPF 07-19-2021 05:46 PM

Prescriptions are the real issue with Medicare for me.
 
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Originally Posted by champion6 (Post 1975457)
Both of you forgot to mention that you also have a Prescription Drug Plan which covers most, but not all, of the cost for your prescriptions. I have the same combination as you do: Medicare + AARP medicare supplement + PDP.

I have the UH drug plan with a monthly premium of over 100 dollars. The real question is why can't Medicare negotiate prices for drugs. That's very big part of health care costs for many of us on Medicare today. That's a conspiracy worth looking into. Any of you on Eliquis or
Humira ? That's a real dent in the annual budget!

jack.hunter00@yahoo.com 07-20-2021 05:03 AM

Shop all of them and pick what is right for you.

Eg_cruz 07-20-2021 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Penglobal (Post 1975063)
Hello -
After delaying for as long as I can, ( I've been 52 for a while), I'll be turning 65 in a few months and seeking guidance on the best possible medical insurance plan used by fellow Villagers without factoring-in cost.

My COBRA ends when I turn 65 and I am seeking a similar medical insurance plan comparable to my COBRA plan which essentially covered everything including prescription drugs, treatment from almost any physician with minimal out of pocket cost.

Thanks for your help.

I would stay with the Traditional Medigap Plan, if you are healthy go with Plan N United Health Care carry it. There is a premium but it lower then most. With this plan you pay a once a year Part B deductible and a co-pay to each dr visit $20 or under. If you go to the emergency room there is a co-pay of $50 and if you have a hospital stay Medicare and the insurance company pay the cost you have $.00 out of pocket. For you RX you will have to pick a plan right for you and if you go to Medicare.gov website you can put you meds in and it will pull up all the plans available to you and the cost and co-pays.
With Traditional Medigap plans there is no network to worry about. NO you will not be able to go to The Villages Health Care but so what I hear to many complaints anyways.
Hope this helps
Plan N really is a good plan

Eg_cruz 07-20-2021 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1975364)
I am guessing you have UHC, via AARP, Plan F. If you live in Sumter County you can save yourself money by switching to Plan G ( no underwriting required). The Part B deductible (about $200) is covered by Plan F and not Plan G but the Plan G premiums are about $360 less. All other aspects are identical.

Plan F is no longer
Plan G is now the new F but the cost is moving up
Look at Plan N $40-60 less a month depending on your age…..yes you have co-pays to dr visit but if you go to the dr 3-4 times a yr you will be saving money, hospital coverage in Plan G and N are the same

Eg_cruz 07-20-2021 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by heims01 (Post 1975482)
I have the UH drug plan with a monthly premium of over 100 dollars. The real question is why can't Medicare negotiate prices for drugs. That's very big part of health care costs for many of us on Medicare today. That's a conspiracy worth looking into. Any of you on Eliquis or
Humira ? That's a real dent in the annual budget!

Are you going to Medicare.gov every year and putting your list of meds in? RX plans change every year so you need to do a little homework every Oct to be sure you are in the right plan. The Medicare website will give you all the plans and you can sign up for the plans from the site no need to call anyone for help if you don’t want to.

bowlingal 07-20-2021 05:55 AM

go meet a SHINE ( serving health insurance needs of elders) meeting, given at several rec centers or call 800-963-5337. You are eligible at 65 for medicare and the people at SHINE are medicare specialists, NOT insurance salespeople

tuccillo 07-20-2021 06:10 AM

Not exactly. The Plan F eligibility date cutoff is Jan 1, 2020. If you were eligible for Medicare before that date you can use Plan F. For the post I was responding to, the person was clearly eligible for Plan F and most likely had Plan F. Those who have Plan F can keep Plan F and those who are eligible for Plan F can switch to Plan F. As I already posted, however, Plan G carries lower cost than Plan F for the same coverage (they differ only by the Part B deductible). Plan G and Plan N differ not only in possible co-pays but also possible (but unlikely) excess charges. The premium difference between Plan G and Plan N is about $30 per month (depends on age, location, and whether you are a smoker). I agree that Plan N can be very cost effective and those who are newly eligible for Medicare, as well as those with Plan G or Plan F already, should take a look at it. I have Plan N.

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 1975526)
Plan F is no longer
Plan G is now the new F but the cost is moving up
Look at Plan N $40-60 less a month depending on your age…..yes you have co-pays to dr visit but if you go to the dr 3-4 times a yr you will be saving money, hospital coverage in Plan G and N are the same


Girlcopper 07-20-2021 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by santiagobob (Post 1975307)
I have Medicare and a supplement policy with AARP United Healthcare. My plan has no co pays, deductibles and pays everything that Medicare does not cover. I have had 5 surgeries in the last 10 years including 9 days in ICU in U.F. Shands hospital and I have never paid a dime for any of these procedures. I can go anywhere and make my own appointments without a referral.I do pay a monthly premium, but one stay in a hospital Is worth a years premium
Bob B.

Me too. Its perfect

tombpot 07-20-2021 06:13 AM

Don’t get an advantage plan

Laurel Maryland 07-20-2021 06:29 AM

Health insurance
 
You might want to watch this video before making your decision:

No Premium "FREE" Medicare Plans | You Get What You Pay For - YouTube

72lions 07-20-2021 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 1975526)
Plan F is no longer
Plan G is now the new F but the cost is moving up
Look at Plan N $40-60 less a month depending on your age…..yes you have co-pays to dr visit but if you go to the dr 3-4 times a yr you will be saving money, hospital coverage in Plan G and N are the same

Nobody only goes to a health care provider 3-4 times a year! Plan G + UHC is by far the best option for the OP (and me).

Windguy 07-20-2021 06:41 AM

I think that asking people what they think is the best whatever when whatever is something that very few people will actually have experience with multiple whatevers is rather a waste of time. For instance, I have Florida Blue (it’s BCBS), but I’ve never had another Medicare Advantage plan so I can’t possibly compare it to any others. It seems OK, but I can’t say it’s better or worse than any other plan. Would I rather it gave me more for less? For sure, but TANSTAAFL.

JMintzer 07-20-2021 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 72lions (Post 1975563)
Nobody only goes to a health care provider 3-4 times a year! Plan G + UHC is by far the best option for the OP (and me).

Really? Nobody?

There's a lot of very healthy seniors out there...

KRMACK55 07-20-2021 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Penglobal (Post 1975063)
Hello -
After delaying for as long as I can, ( I've been 52 for a while), I'll be turning 65 in a few months and seeking guidance on the best possible medical insurance plan used by fellow Villagers without factoring-in cost.

My COBRA ends when I turn 65 and I am seeking a similar medical insurance plan comparable to my COBRA plan which essentially covered everything including prescription drugs, treatment from almost any physician with minimal out of pocket cost.

Thanks for your help.

If you live here full time those days are over. Villages likes to force feed United healthcare under the guise that your 147- part B will go to them then you will have deductibles to meet but it operates like an HMO - you will have to purchase dental and drug separately. If you had health ins in another state where you could choose who to go without a referral those days are gone. There is a crisis of not enough staff nurses and doctors.

pendi99 07-20-2021 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Penglobal (Post 1975063)
Hello -
After delaying for as long as I can, ( I've been 52 for a while), I'll be turning 65 in a few months and seeking guidance on the best possible medical insurance plan used by fellow Villagers without factoring-in cost.

My COBRA ends when I turn 65 and I am seeking a similar medical insurance plan comparable to my COBRA plan which essentially covered everything including prescription drugs, treatment from almost any physician with minimal out of pocket cost.

Thanks for your help.

There are 2 types of plans, supplements and advantage. You will need to apply for medicare a and b first. After that a supplement does just that it supplements your medicare benefits. An advantage plan replaces your medicare plan. An advantage plan will limit your choices and may have out of area disadvantages.

KRMACK55 07-20-2021 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1975364)
I am guessing you have UHC, via AARP, Plan F. If you live in Sumter County you can save yourself money by switching to Plan G ( no underwriting required). The Part B deductible (about $200) is covered by Plan F and not Plan G but the Plan G premiums are about $360 less. All other aspects are identical.

Plan F is no longer being written to anyone going on Medicare as of 2020. Those who had it prior are grandfathered in by social security. Only portion is plan F or go cheap and pay big time here

KRMACK55 07-20-2021 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 1975430)
My wife and I took care of my father for three years in our home prior to his death. I took care of all his finances and he had AARP UHC plan F and it paid for everything without question. When I turned 65 I signed up for AARP/UHC as did my wife when she turned 65. I have had the normal health issues, but my wife has had dozens of hospitalizations, in Kansas City as well as in the TV area, and we have never paid a cent out of pocket. There are probably cheaper plans out there, but the peace of mind we get that we are 100% covered is worth more than the premiums we pay (which are hundreds of thousands less than what the insurance has paid.)

But it isn’t offered anymore the feds stopped F. Medicare grandfathered in those who had it. Your knowledge is not up to date.

Bridget Staunton 07-20-2021 06:53 AM

Great advice good neighbors, I like reading about what plan is best. Thanks

merrymini 07-20-2021 07:05 AM

Very complicated. If someone suggested seeing SHINE, and they are an advisory program, I would do that. I navigated the system myself when I turned 65 and it took some effort but you need to know everything about the coverage and your own health status.

tuccillo 07-20-2021 07:09 AM

I already addressed this in post #15. The post I was responding to initially was to someone who clearly was eligible for Plan F and most likely has Plan F.

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Originally Posted by KRMACK55 (Post 1975577)
Plan F is no longer being written to anyone going on Medicare as of 2020. Those who had it prior are grandfathered in by social security. Only portion is plan F or go cheap and pay big time here


cindyfeh 07-20-2021 07:10 AM

I do. As you get older, you can change plans. Your decision is not written in stone. As for now, it is cost effective to be on Plan N.

cindyfeh 07-20-2021 07:13 AM

[QUOTE=cindyfeh;1975589]I do. As you get older, you can change plans. Your decision is not written in stone. As for now, it is cost effective to be on Plan N if you are healthy.

tuccillo 07-20-2021 07:19 AM

Nobody is forcing anyone to go with a Medicare Advantage Plan.

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Originally Posted by KRMACK55 (Post 1975574)
If you live here full time those days are over. Villages likes to force feed United healthcare under the guise that your 147- part B will go to them then you will have deductibles to meet but it operates like an HMO - you will have to purchase dental and drug separately. If you had health ins in another state where you could choose who to go without a referral those days are gone. There is a crisis of not enough staff nurses and doctors.


Heyitsrick 07-20-2021 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cindyfeh (Post 1975589)
I do. As you get older, you can change plans. Your decision is not written in stone. As for now, it is cost effective to be on Plan N.

Be careful with that. If someone opts for a Medicare Advantage (aka MA) plan, the options to "change plans" as you get older to a traditional supplemental plan are quite limited. You have the first year you're on an MA plan to decide whether you want to stay on it. If you renew your MA going forward, you're pretty much stuck ** on MA plans going forward.

What's the problem with that? Well, it depends upon the MA plan, of course, but many of these MA plans are offered because of low or NO premiums, plus the prescription drug plan as part of the MA. Some have free gym membership, some have some limited dental coverage and hearing aid coverage. BUT, become an in-patient in a hospital? You could end up with HUGE premiums for the first few days as an in-patient.

How do I know this? Some doctor's office in TV told my Mom that she needed a particular MA plan to continue seeing the doctor she was seeing. She ultimately had three different in-patient hospital stays one year. That was 9 days of NO coverage (first 3 days of in-patient not covered) for these hospital stays - thousands of dollars in charges that we had to essentially beg the hospital to dismiss out of monetary hardship for Mom.

Bottom line - as mentioned earlier, you don't get something for nothing. "Healthy" seniors love MA plans - until they're not so healthy. It's the restrictions on switching from an MA plan to a supplemental plan that really bite.

To be clear, it's not that you can't switch to a supplemental plan after being on an MA plan for more than the first year. It's that you don't get the underwriting pass that seniors going on a supplemental plan normally get. In other words, the supplemental insurance company will want to assess your current health, and force you to get a physical to ascertain what condition you're in. They can deny supplemental coverage to you, OR make you pay a ton of money.

We got lucky with Mom - her MA plan was a "regional" TV MA plan. One "out" for people wanting to switch away from MA back to guaranteed acceptance Medicare supplemental plans - e.g. plans "G" or "F", etc. - was that if your MA plan is regional and you move outside that region, you can still get guaranteed acceptance back in a traditional supplemental plan; no physical exam required, for example. She moved out of TV to Crystal River. Her TV doctors did not cover that region, so she was able to get back on supplemental Plan G, thankfully. You might not be so lucky if you go with an MA plan and then need much more intensive healthcare coverage while you get older.

Here's a snippet about the risk of going MA:

Quote:


Avoiding the Medigap Gap

One risk of switching from original Medicare to a Medicare Advantage plan is that when you leave you may not be eligible for the same Medigap policy you had before you shifted to Medicare Advantage.

When you return to regular Medicare, you have the right to go back to the same Medigap policy you had before you joined the Medicare Advantage plan, if the same insurance company you had before still sells it. If the policy is no longer available, you have a guaranteed right to buy a Medigap policy designated A, B, C, F, K or L that is sold in your state by any insurance company as long as you had Medicare Advantage for less than a year. In these circumstances the insurers cannot refuse you coverage as long as you apply for the Medigap policy no later than 63 days after coverage from your Medicare Advantage plan terminates. The insurance company is required to by law to sell or offer you a Medigap policy even if you have health problems (called "pre-existing conditions"). If you had Medicaid Advantage for a year or more or wait longer than 63 days, you can apply but you aren’t guaranteed of acceptance.
Entering and Leaving Medicare Advantage Plans

I'm sure someone here will say something to the effect of "I have full in-patient coverage on my MA plan!" or words to that effect. Just make sure you read all of the plan's policies before signing on so you don't find yourself in a money hole later.

chuckandbernice 07-20-2021 07:53 AM

Freedom Health
 
I've been with Optimum and Freedom Health, same company, since 2011 and could not be happier. I am type 2 diabetic, testing supplies free, tier 1 drugs free, paying $120 of my Medicare premium monthly, free dental cleanings twice a year, my major neck surgery was $100,000 and I paid $174, shoulder surgery $56,000, I paid $200. No copays for Dr visits, free labs and x-rays. $75 worth of items monthly on their web site. My wife $100 pay-down and $50 free from their web site, she is healthy. But some do not like an HMO.

Roron123 07-20-2021 07:57 AM

I myself prefer Medicare (as I can choose any Dr and go to them at any time without a referral) and for my supplemental I have United Health Care who cover the 20% co-pay! I pay $21 a month for my drug plan. BUT if you want a plan which includes a drug plan then you may want an Medicare Advantage Plan which is an all in one plan but check to see if your Dr is in the one you choose! Also you may need a referral from your primary dr to go elsewhere depending on which plan!!

Marine1974 07-20-2021 07:59 AM

Check out plan G with Blue Cross or United Healthcare which will accommodate your needs . Good luck , turning 65 is a good thing with supplemental healthcare coverage .

Spalumbos62 07-20-2021 08:28 AM

[QUOTE=cindyfeh;1975590]
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Originally Posted by cindyfeh (Post 1975589)
I do. As you get older, you can change plans. Your decision is not written in stone. As for now, it is cost effective to be on Plan N if you are healthy.


You can change your plan every year. I went with uhc advantage, a ppo.
This works for me while in NY and FL. Definitely go talk to shine, and remember premium is not the only variable here.
Are you a diabetic, hospital stays, take allot of meds, deductible size.
And once you figure it out....well there is really no perfect answer. But as you said, you are starting soon....if you totally choose wrong-you can change between Oct and Dec.
Good luck
Don't forget 148.50 will come out of your SS monthly check to cover part B...if you don't collect yet, that needs to be covered somehow.
Ps....you are not still working are you? That's another ball of wax.

Annie66 07-20-2021 08:30 AM

If you are a retired military veteran, Tricare for Life is the gold standard. In the past 8 years, my wife and I haven't paid an extra penny that Medicare did not cover.

cindyfeh 07-20-2021 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heyitsrick (Post 1975609)
Be careful with that. If someone opts for a Medicare Advantage (aka MA) plan, the options to "change plans" as you get older to a traditional supplemental plan are quite limited. You have the first year you're on an MA plan to decide whether you want to stay on it. If you renew your MA going forward, you're pretty much stuck ** on MA plans going forward.

What's the problem with that? Well, it depends upon the MA plan, of course, but many of these MA plans are offered because of low or NO premiums, plus the prescription drug plan as part of the MA. Some have free gym membership, some have some limited dental coverage and hearing aid coverage. BUT, become an in-patient in a hospital? You could end up with HUGE premiums for the first few days as an in-patient.

How do I know this? Some doctor's office in TV told my Mom that she needed a particular MA plan to continue seeing the doctor she was seeing. She ultimately had three different in-patient hospital stays one year. That was 9 days of NO coverage (first 3 days of in-patient not covered) for these hospital stays - thousands of dollars in charges that we had to essentially beg the hospital to dismiss out of monetary hardship for Mom.

Bottom line - as mentioned earlier, you don't get something for nothing. "Healthy" seniors love MA plans - until they're not so healthy. It's the restrictions on switching from an MA plan to a supplemental plan that really bite.

To be clear, it's not that you can't switch to a supplemental plan after being on an MA plan for more than the first year. It's that you don't get the underwriting pass that seniors going on a supplemental plan normally get. In other words, the supplemental insurance company will want to assess your current health, and force you to get a physical to ascertain what condition you're in. They can deny supplemental coverage to you, OR make you pay a ton of money.

We got lucky with Mom - her MA plan was a "regional" TV MA plan. One "out" for people wanting to switch away from MA back to guaranteed acceptance Medicare supplemental plans - e.g. plans "G" or "F", etc. - was that if your MA plan is regional and you move outside that region, you can still get guaranteed acceptance back in a traditional supplemental plan; no physical exam required, for example. She moved out of TV to Crystal River. Her TV doctors did not cover that region, so she was able to get back on supplemental Plan G, thankfully. You might not be so lucky if you go with an MA plan and then need much more intensive healthcare coverage while you get older.

Here's a snippet about the risk of going MA:



Entering and Leaving Medicare Advantage Plans

I'm sure someone here will say something to the effect of "I have full in-patient coverage on my MA plan!" or words to that effect. Just make sure you read all of the plan's policies before signing on so you don't find yourself in a money hole later.

.
Yes, sorry. I should have been mire specific. Being able to change from G to N etc. is on the United Health Plan with an AARP supplement. Changing from an Advantage Plan to a Medigap/ Supplement Plan, you would incur underwriters that can refuse to take you or raise your premiums if in poor health.

PugMom 07-20-2021 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tombpot (Post 1975549)
Don’t get an advantage plan

i hear everyone say that, but we love ours. we have no deductable, low co-pays & i had no charge for my latest spinal fusion. i can get everything done for so much less. if i need to see a specialist outside the villages, that's ok, too-my dr sets it up & i'm on my way.

boatorgolf 07-20-2021 10:21 AM

Shine is the answer to picking your insurance ! What is good FOR YOU!


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