Large protests against mandatory vaccine and passports
 

Massive anti vaccine passport protest in Paris, France. - Riot police deployed. - YouTube

https://twitter.com/i/status/1421462935717781514

Almost forgot, these protests are all over France, Italy, Switzerland etc

They must all be watching Fox news :shocked::1rotfl::MOJE_whot:

Well, looks like this thread is doomed before it even got started. Time to make some pop corn and stay out of it, I don't need anymore points on my profile - LOL

Why would it be doomed? I have seen 100s of comments here blaming the anti vax movement on Fox news. This thread points out just how ridiculous that assumption is.

It's a big world :icon_wink:

Did you ever notice you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar? Well mandating someone to get vaccinated is going to get them to respond like kids “you can’t make me eat my spinach”.

And kids notice hypocrisy too. Like we all have to mask up even if vaxxed but 188,000 illegals cross the southern border every month according to ICE unmasked and unvaxxed.

Personally I think everyone over twenty should get vaxxed with the carrot being $5,000 which will probably save money in the long run and maybe even save humanity if this virus is as I suspect the result of gain of function research.

I think I heard the administration was recommending corporations offer a $100 incentive to get vaccinated. Not sure if it went anywhere. $5000 for 100 million unvaccinated would come to $500B. Probably worth it in the long run, but sad it takes that to get people to be a little patriotic and take a jab for the country.

In days gone by (WWII) kids donated their comic books to help relive the paper shortage, now we have to pay people to help stop a pandemic. #sad.

I understand your concern over the unvaccinated migrants coming across the border.

I agree we need to do something about it.

My suggestion offer tests, masks, and jabs, and if they refuse send them back. If they take them, then they continue into the seriously broken immigration court system to seek legal entry. Fixing the broken refugee court system so they get a hearing in days not years would be nice too, but that might make sense.

I don't think a wall helps, that is my opinion. I think flying the back is also not a solution. Again, hold them a couple of days, hear their plea, decide, and if rejected, dump them back in Mexico. Let Mexico deal with it. They let them (for the most part) cross their country unhampered in order to reach our border.

Cruise Control. . .
 

Yeah. I know. I looked at one of these threads I have been avoiding for the past couple of days.

But. . .now that I am here. . .

You know what I wish would happen?

I wish a cruiseline would offer a free or dirt cheap cruise for only the unvaccinated.. Yep. Make them an offer to set them out to sea in a floating Petri dish — all together — with only their own kind.

See how many takers there would be.

Those who would go would be putting their deckchair bottoms where their mouths are. Right?

And they could prove that they truly believe the virus can’t really get ‘em.

And — even better — they could prove that they are not just freeloading on the vaccinated.

Refusing to be vaccinated (unless there is an actual medical condition that makes risk outweigh benefit) is looking more and more like a twisted version of welfare — well-fare — as they ride on the responsibility of those of us who are doing what we can to stop the virus.

Never would such a cruise be offered, but it sure would be interesting to see what would happen if it were to be.

The ultimate anecdotal evidence?

The best trial ever?

A Ship of Fools?

Would they take the chance for a free ride on a big fancy ship. Free rides seem to be a thing these days.

All aboard!?

Boomer

No. Just absoultely, 100% no. Attempt, NOT cross. For Pete's sake... :blahblahblah: "U.S. border agents stopped more than 188,000 immigrants trying to cross the southern U.S. border in June, marking a 21-year high in monthly border crossings" Also this: "Of the 188,829 border crossers in June, nearly 105,000 were expelled back into Mexico..."Please research these specious claims before spreading them!
Number of attempted crossings at southern U.S. border hits 21-year high


Yay for this part! :a040:

Superspreader Protests! China is sizing us up...

Democracy will fail !

Last year according to ICE there were about 40,000 illegal entries per month at the southern border. This year it has increased to 188,000 per month. All of last years measures to control immigration were rescinded by executive order this year including the successful wait in place in Mexico until a hearing on asylum could be obtained, similar to what you are suggesting. You might think a wall won’t help but as you say we should listen to the experts. The border patrol experts on the front line believe a wall is helpful because it slows down the flow so they can use their limited manpower to apprehend the illegal immigrant. That is why cops use barricades for crowd control, it’s one tool. But with the polarization in society I don’t think compromise is possible because no one wants to take the first step or give an inch.

X mandatory vaxing
 

Through a lab leak (?) or bio warfare we are now being forced to vax. Well you may not agree, but there are those that don’t want this experimental drug inside of them. For some it is Russian roulette.
Our borders should have been shut long ago. Interesting that they weren’t.
We are pawns in a game.

Don't look to see where this started because our govern sent much money. Illegals are just future votes for the crooks.

Many of those countries take their leads from us. Have you been to Europe, all those channels are available all day long. If you don't wear a mask fine, if you don't get the vaccine that is fine also but don't expect sympathizing when something untoward happens to you or your grandchildren. It is just plain old karma.

Only those foolish enough not to get vaccinated. I have neighbors that believed just like that and they are now ashes in an urn.

When the news media doesn't spectactularize the news, people get on TOTV to get their little boost of untruths.

Want To Avoid Mandatory Vaccine In UK? Try Identifying As "Trans Vegan"
Their exempt

Ohiobuckeye
 

It’s a little silly to be protesting about a stupid shot. If you want get it, if you don’t people probably won’t care if you get sick or not.But keep away from me! Seems like anything we do or complain about someone starts a protest that leads to riots, why?

I would favor government at all levels requiring a variety of much-loved businesses to require vaccinations. If people don’t want to be vaccinated, that’s their choice, but lots of pleasures wouldn’t be available (rather like last year). For example, you would have to be vaccinated to:
Go on a cruise,
Visit Disneyworld or similar places of amusement,
Fly in an airplane or ride on a train or subway or bus,
Attend a concert,
Enter a movie theater,
Attend a sports event,
Enter a museum,
Eat or drink indoors or out at a restaurant or bar (drive-thru only),
Visit a hospital or nursing home.
Oh, and required for anyone going to a club meeting or going to the pool or playing golf here in The Villages.
(This in addition to vaccinations as a condition of employment for employees of these places, as well as all government employees and military personnel.)

I think this would provide incentive for many people to get vaccinated. Most of us grew up when we were required to be vaccinated for smallpox, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, diphtheria, tetanus. We all had to be tested for TB. All school kids and little kids got these miracle vaccinations. Before there were polio vaccines, around the time I was born, parents lived in fear of their kids dying or being crippled. Many of us are alive today because of these vaccines.

Frankly, because the COVID-19 vaccine is readily available, I believe that people who refuse to get the vaccine and then get sick are parasites, hoping to live because the rest of us take the (minuscule) risk of getting the vaccine instead of them. They are rather like welfare queens.

I would favor health insurance companies and Medicare and Medicaid amending their policies so that hospital treatment for COVID-19 is not covered unless people are vaccinated. Those who choose not to be vaccinated can get treatment, but they have to pay for it all themselves, even if their hospital stay costs a million dollars, and it easily could. They should be required to take out pre-payment bonds before they are admitted that would make sure they or their families don’t file for bankruptcy. If they can’t afford it, they are free to die at home. I know this sounds draconian, but it’s just my opinion. It will never happen.

Simple Point
 

What the heck are the un vaccinated thinking? This must be the start of the proof that the overall US IQ's have dropped? If given a 94% chance of living vs 10% of dying if you get it or suffering from the effects for many years this group chose the sick and dying choice. I would add the un vaccinated also chose to put their friends or the general public at risk because of their stupid choice, yes stupid choice as no person with an ounce of sense would chose to die/suffer over life! The only good news out of this is they are "thinning the herd"!:ho:

Im no rocket scientist BUT since masking was relaxed Covid illness spiked its like Deja Vu, Florida June 2020 our first Covid spike we are on number 4 now.
Now explain to me how masking didn’t help

To quote Boomer…I wish a cruiseline would offer a free or dirt cheap cruise for only the unvaccinated.. Yep. Make them an offer to set them out to sea in a floating Petri dish — all together — with only their own kind.

Those who would go would be putting their deckchair bottoms where their mouths are. Right?

And they could prove that they truly believe the virus can’t really get ‘em.

And — even better — they could prove that they are not just freeloading on the vaccinated.

Never would such a cruise be offered, but it sure would be interesting to see what would happen if it were to be.

The ultimate anecdotal evidence?

The best trial ever?

A Ship of Fools?

All aboard!?

Boomer

Would make a very interesting premise for a fictional story. Any budding authors out there looking for inspiration? Here it is, go for it. Not joking or sarcastic, seriously a good fictional topic.

Wear mask, don't wear mask, I don.t get it. Why not put a 3 month test period where we try everything, mask, passports, vaccines, bubble wrap, whatever and of it doesn't work we strip down and party.

Mon Dieu! Froggies showing a backbone?

Why would unvaccinated people need to stay away from you, you’ve been vaccinated? Oh wait. The vaccine doesn’t actually prevent COVID.

People that are anti mask and anti vaccine are not limited to one group. SMH

Please explain how the unvaccinated are putting their friends at risk? Either their friends are unvaccinated and taking their own chances or their friends are vaccinated and have nothing to worry about, right???

Ohiobuckeye had two errors in the post, one you pointed out, the vaccines do not prevent covid. The second is that is it involves socialists of communists, it is a mostly peacefull protest.

Some reading up will show that the French had a backbone long before America was even colonized. Most recently the gilets jaunes (yellow vests) brought the country to a standstill.


You name it; they'll protest it. And a lot of them bring results.

How do you know they are Antifa? More likely they are the same far-right people as here in America who proclaim their “freedom” but are willing to get everybody else sick and perhaps die!

Well, I can tell you if I started this crap I would be infraction several points.

I am in total agreement, I wrote basically this same post a few weeks back... didn't go over well. But especially about the insurance coverage...absolutely...you wanna play games....then you foot that bill.
Ty,ty,ty

Well-known NYC restaurant owner Danny Meyer is now requiring proof of vaccination, not only from his employees, but also from customers who want to dine at his restaurants — and his employees are happy about it and so are his customers.

I hope we see more of this happening. I think there is a lot of pent up money, waiting to be spent on entertainment, dining, and travel by those who are choosing to avoid the unvaccinated.

Go, Danny! I hope many others follow your lead.

Boomer

PS: (And please don’t hand me the line about if the vaccine works, why worry. If that is what you truly believe, take a look at Vermont’s Covid stats where you will find proof that Vermont’s high vaccination rate is resulting in the state having a very low infection rate and very few hospitalizations.

Seriously — look up Vermont. And then look up the stats in the states that are getting all the publicity for their low rates of vaccination and their high rates of hospitalization for Covid. How hard is it to connect the dots???

:shocked: But Wait!!. Ohhhhhh, noooooo! Vermont is known to be a state full of liberal thinkers. Ah, Ha! The virus must be one a them damn liberals!)

Funny how some of those of you hysterical types disparage and demean those that have not been vaccinated, thinking that they will see "your way" and run out and get their shots.
For your information, and NOT to get political but those not getting vaccinated are NOT thinking politics at all. Most are either young folks, minorities or children. Almost half the country has been vaccinated, with at least one shot. Calm down and hold off on the hysteria.
Last month was the lowest DEATH rate attributed to Covid related deaths in a year and almost two. Isn't that great? Yes, the infection rate has spiked. And yes, it seems that they are reporting in influx of Covid related patients in the hospitals. Don't you get it? If the death rate is down, that's a good thing.
Take your cruises. If you have your vaccination, you have nothing to worry about, right? Or, don't you have confidence in the very vaccine that you are attempting to shove down everyone else's proverbial throats?
I have family coming down to visit this month. None of them have had their vaccination for Covid. All of the ones coming down to visit have had Covid. I am not going to encourage them to get the shots because that is a personal choice and I don't want to be responsible for any future side effects that may haunt them in years to come. They did not die and none of them were hospitalized. They are mostly in good health. I'm not worried, so why should it be anyone else's business if they are vaccinated or not?
Covid is here and it is an illness. The world has a record of illnesses that have been fatal. We have survived them all. I see no reason for mass hysteria, whether you feel justified being rattled or not.
Do what you have to do to stay safe and leave other folks to make their own decisions. Death will eventually catch up to all of you. Think of it as the ultimate life experience.

I've often suggested that drug testing should be a requirement for gov assistance.

The sky is falling, folks! Covid ain't gonna get ya, but hysteria/panic will.

Hysteria!! Nope. Just common sense and the ability to reason based on stats.

Although. . .we might see some hysteria when everybody’s insurance premiums go through the roof in 2022.

This is about dollars and cents. . .er, dollars and sense.

Yep, they demean those that are not vaccinated, but excuse those that are not vaxxed coming across our borders illegally. And many of those illegal aliens are refusing testing and vaccinations from what I read.

Gain of function research
 

John,
I believe you are correct. 73 patents on covid virus/vaccines since 2004...

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Hmmm
 

Draconian, totalitarian policies...
You admit the vaccine is a risk to those who take it and you appear to want to punish those who chose to not accept your choice. As the vaccine is experimental, it may turn out the risk you chose is higher than the 2% risk of death by covid they chose.

But, how many crossed and didn’t get caught? NOBODY knows that NUMBER.