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Golfer222 08-09-2021 09:45 PM

Golf etiquette is dead
 
Again playing today, the guy in front of me hitting 2 balls on every tee. I politely asked him to only hit one ball as the course was getting backed up. He ignored me and continued. A few holes late I again asked him very politely. He said that the people in front of him were slow so it didn’t matter if he hit 2 or 10 ball on each hole. This is really getting out of hand. There is no more etiquette apparently. Might as well join them as you obviously cannot beat them.

Two Bills 08-10-2021 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Golfer222 (Post 1986475)
Again playing today, the guy in front of me hitting 2 balls on every tee. I politely asked him to only hit one ball as the course was getting backed up. He ignored me and continued. A few holes late I again asked him very politely. He said that the people in front of him were slow so it didn’t matter if he hit 2 or 10 ball on each hole. This is really getting out of hand. There is no more etiquette apparently. Might as well join them as you obviously cannot beat them.

Was he a single?
Were you a single?
I have played behind singles who have played two balls a hole, and providing they keep up with the group in front and did not slow our progress, I honestly see no problem.
On other occasions we always offer a single to join us if we are a threesome, or a pair.

Golfer222 08-10-2021 05:19 AM

He was a single we were a twosome. He was not keeping up. We caught up to him and had to wait for him to tee off twice on each hole.

Kelevision 08-10-2021 05:43 AM

[QUOTE=Golfer222;1986475]Again playing today, the guy in front of me hitting 2 balls on every tee. I politely asked him to only hit one ball as the course was getting backed up. He ignored me and continued. A few holes late I again asked him very politely. He said that the people in front of him were slow so it didn’t matter if he hit 2 or 10 ball on each hole. This is really getting out of hand. There is no more etiquette apparently. Might as well join them as you obviously cannot beat them.[/QUOTE

Was he solo or with a group of how many? Who was in front of him and how many? Were you solo or with a group Of how many? If he was solo and there was a group of at least 2 in front of him then he is correct. As long as he’s keeping up with the pace of play. They have ambassadors to monitor this? Were they not around?

Bay Kid 08-10-2021 06:21 AM

Should of asked to play thru.

Two Bills 08-10-2021 06:24 AM

Could have invited him to join you.

dewilson58 08-10-2021 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Golfer222 (Post 1986512)
He was a single we were a twosome. He was not keeping up. We caught up to him and had to wait for him to tee off twice on each hole.

Not the rule in TV.
Most places, keep pace with the peeps in front of you.
TV is the damn time sheet.
:ohdear:

Kelevision 08-10-2021 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1986557)
Not the rule in TV.
Most places, keep pace with the peeps in front of you.
TV is the damn time sheet.
:ohdear:

Weird, i just took the villages new to golf school and they clearly say keep up with the group in front of you. They stressed that many many times during the classes. I was told the ambassadors will keep a close eye on that and will hurry you along if you’re not keeping up. That’s where I learned the term pace of play?? This is very disappointing to hear.

dewilson58 08-10-2021 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 1986569)
Weird, i just took the villages new to golf school and they clearly say keep up with the group in front of you. They stressed that many many times during the classes. I was told the ambassadors will keep a close eye on that and will hurry you along if you’re not keeping up. That’s where I learned the term pace of play?? This is very disappointing to hear.

It's a difficult adjustment.
There can be two holes open, but if the groups fits within the charted time......all is good.
Even if a group falls behind, the Amb's have no teeth.
Jus sit back and enjoy your four hour round.

Golfer222 08-10-2021 06:53 AM

Common sense to me. One person, one ball. Plenty of practice ranges around. The “entitled” are taking over. It is their right to play as many balls as they feel like. Say something and you are the bad guy.

retiredguy123 08-10-2021 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Golfer222 (Post 1986589)
Common sense to me. One person, one ball. Plenty of practice ranges around. The “entitled” are taking over. It is their right to play as many balls as they feel like. Say something and you are the bad guy.

It's not just common sense and bad etiquette, it is a violation of USGA rules and The Villages rules:

https://www.golfthevillages.com/what...eeDropArea.pdf

I would have asked an ambassador to tell him to stop playing two balls.

billethkid 08-10-2021 07:57 AM

Isolated cases (what ever the number) should not be used as a general condition to label most golfers in TV.

golfing eagles 08-10-2021 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Golfer222 (Post 1986475)
Again playing today, the guy in front of me hitting 2 balls on every tee. I politely asked him to only hit one ball as the course was getting backed up. He ignored me and continued. A few holes late I again asked him very politely. He said that the people in front of him were slow so it didn’t matter if he hit 2 or 10 ball on each hole. This is really getting out of hand. There is no more etiquette apparently. Might as well join them as you obviously cannot beat them.

Couldn't agree more. However, it would have been more productive to tell the ambassador rather than posting on TOTV:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Mortal1 08-10-2021 08:37 AM

I play 7 days/wk. I encounter what you mention a few times a month. NO! Etiquette is not dead, but your patience might be.

Bogie Shooter 08-10-2021 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1986557)
Not the rule in TV.
Most places, keep pace with the peeps in front of you.
TV is the damn time sheet.
:ohdear:

Not trying to start an argument but, couple weeks was talking to ambassador on a Champs course, he told us they have eliminated the time sheets. At least he wasn’t recording any times.

stanley 08-10-2021 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1986896)
Not trying to start an argument but, couple weeks was talking to ambassador on a Champs course, he told us they have eliminated the time sheets. At least he wasn’t recording any times.

Maybe at his course..............(what course?).but not where I work

gdennis317 08-10-2021 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Golfer222 (Post 1986512)
He was a single we were a twosome. He was not keeping up. We caught up to him and had to wait for him to tee off twice on each hole.

Since you were a twosome, and he was a single, I would guess this was in the afternoon when courses are not as crowded. Would not see this in the morning wave or likely early in the afternoon wave. See lots of pairs and singles in the mid Afternoon in Hot weather. Best if folks just relax and play to the speed of those in front of you.

It is not whether he was keeping up so you did not have to wait, it is if he was keeping up to the group in front of him. I have had starters and Ambassadors suggest I hit an extra ball here and there at this time of day, would not do it when course is full.

I would suggest you either join up, or you might hit an extra ball or practice a little chipping/ putting also. More fun for all of you then waiting in your cart on the next T Box.

Relax and enjoy. Too hot to hurry anyway.

Golfer222 08-10-2021 07:40 PM

Would not be that disrespectful to the group behind us. This creates a "pile up" effect. Simple fix- 1 person, 1 ball

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-10-2021 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Golfer222 (Post 1987009)
Would not be that disrespectful to the group behind us. This creates a "pile up" effect. Simple fix- 1 person, 1 ball

It only creates a pile-up effect on the people behind you, if the people ahead of you are faster than you are.

One golfer with 2 balls is going to be faster than a foursome. So if he had a foursome ahead of him, everyone behind him STILL would have had to wait for that foursome, even if the single played two balls per hole.

As long as the single ahead of the OP was keeping up with the people ahead of HIM - all is well.

Topspinmo 08-10-2021 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1986606)
It's not just common sense and bad etiquette, it is a violation of USGA rules and The Villages rules:

https://www.golfthevillages.com/what...eeDropArea.pdf

I would have asked an ambassador to tell him to stop playing two balls.


Agree should of just toll ambassador if and when came by.

Topspinmo 08-10-2021 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Golfer222 (Post 1986475)
Again playing today, the guy in front of me hitting 2 balls on every tee. I politely asked him to only hit one ball as the course was getting backed up. He ignored me and continued. A few holes late I again asked him very politely. He said that the people in front of him were slow so it didn’t matter if he hit 2 or 10 ball on each hole. This is really getting out of hand. There is no more etiquette apparently. Might as well join them as you obviously cannot beat them.

It’s not you’re job to police course. It’s the ambassador’s. Just tell the ambassador he’s one that has the authority. Confront some AHs and you’ll be in shouting match. Occasionally I see someone taking mulligan which ok IMO. But not in every hole. In you’re case this guy probably shot under par :1rotfl: picked which shots he liked the best.

Topspinmo 08-10-2021 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1987011)
It only creates a pile-up effect on the people behind you, if the people ahead of you are faster than you are.

One golfer with 2 balls is going to be faster than a foursome. So if he had a foursome ahead of him, everyone behind him STILL would have had to wait for that foursome, even if the single played two balls per hole.

As long as the single ahead of the OP was keeping up with the people ahead of HIM - all is well.


Golf course is not practice range, plus it’s just more wear on fairways and green’s. don’t matter if he has to wait, there are rules in place when on course. But, I can see how some don’t know or follow rules.

thevillages2013 08-11-2021 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1986556)
Could have invited him to join you.

Seriously? Gonna ask him to play with you? So you would have to endure this dude playing two balls into the hole in your group? Not happening

Luggage 08-11-2021 04:49 AM

Relax, you're retired
 
First off I don't think anyone has any real schedule to go anywhere, secondly I would not approach anyone and complain directly that's what the ambassadors are for. Lastly don't you think if someone is not playing according to rules they should be some kind of penalty imposed?

DaleDivine 08-11-2021 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1987046)
Agree should of just toll ambassador if and when came by.

Sounds like the OP was on an executive course and most ambassadors have no authority to stop them from hitting more than one ball as long as they were keeping up.
I have several ambassador friends that I have golfed with and they have gotten into some messy confrontations from golfers not applying proper etiquette such as keeping up with the group in front of them, raking bunkers, fixing divots, ball marks, etc...
Just be patient and have an extra birdie shot....
:ohdear::welcome::popcorn:

jack.hunter00@yahoo.com 08-11-2021 05:05 AM

Call the club how and tell them what's going on. If a group is not keeping up with pace an ambassador will have the slow group pick up and move forward.

jack.hunter00@yahoo.com 08-11-2021 05:07 AM

You may have been faster than pace. If that is the case then your are wrong.

JeanC 08-11-2021 05:18 AM

If the next hole was not open, then why should he hurry? If he hurries, and you hurry, then there are two groups waiting on next hole. He can only go as fast as the group in front of him. If the hole in front of him was opened, then yes you have reason to be concerned.

GOLFER54 08-11-2021 05:42 AM

Would have mentioned it to Ambassador, and let him deal with it. Hitting two balls off the tee, is ridiculous !

Kelevision 08-11-2021 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JeanC (Post 1987089)
If the next hole was not open, then why should he hurry? If he hurries, and you hurry, then there are two groups waiting on next hole. He can only go as fast as the group in front of him. If the hole in front of him was opened, then yes you have reason to be concerned.

Agreed! I can’t really understand this post. If he was solo and had a group of 4 ahead of him and he even told you, when you questioned him, that the group ahead of him were still there? IF the group was NOT still there then I see your point but he’s a solo player. How can him playing 2 balls take more time than if he were a group of 2, 3 or 4?

dolphin 08-11-2021 05:49 AM

Should have called the shack and reported situation if you were continuing to catch up to him. Two balls ok IF no other golfers

banjobob 08-11-2021 05:56 AM

Sometimes when jam ups happen a call to the starter shack the ambassador will come right there , mostly they ask the slow group to skip a hole and play on ,works .

Golfer222 08-11-2021 05:58 AM

The difference is that a solo player has to go to each ball and hit one at a time whereas a 2,3,or 4 group each goes to their ball separately and hit pretty close to one another. In your scenario, where you seem to think it is fine even if he hits 4 balls, and sprays them all over the course, you have to wait for him to go to each ball. This argument is silly. No form of golf etiquette allows a player to hit multiple balls per hole if others are waiting behind him. One player, one ball

Minoletti 08-11-2021 06:19 AM

lucky
 
two things
1. your lucky he wasnt playing with three others, that would have really slowed your twosome down.
2. your lucky he didnt tell you to #$% off and wait your turn.

b0bd0herty 08-11-2021 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1986662)
Couldn't agree more. However, it would have been more productive to tell the ambassador rather than posting on TOTV:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

From what I've read on almost every golfing thread... the "Ambassadors" are pretty much like their title describe: politicians who do nothing. ;)

72lions 08-11-2021 06:31 AM

The error here is the system allowing a single to go out. Singles have not status on a golf course. Assuming there were 2 to 4 in front of him, you had nowhere to go anyway. I’m assuming this is on an executive course which technically is just a recreational area, designed largely for people who play AT golf, not proficient golfers.

What’s the hurry?

Golfer222 08-11-2021 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Minoletti (Post 1987114)
two things
1. your lucky he wasnt playing with three others, that would have really slowed your twosome down.
2. your lucky he didnt tell you to #$% off and wait your turn.

this certainly is the pervasive attitude of the entitled today- do what you want and $%#& others

bowlingal 08-11-2021 06:33 AM

that's what the ambassador is for. to keep up the even flow of players. you dropped the ball on this.

jbrown132 08-11-2021 06:48 AM

Where was the ambassador? If none were out there, call the starter shack. That’s there job to deal with things like that not yours.

tsmall22204 08-11-2021 06:49 AM

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