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lstevenson1470 08-19-2021 08:17 PM

Switch to propane gas from electric only?
 
I hate electric stoves, but Pine Ridge doesn't have gas. I would like to have a propane tank buried and switch to a gas stove. Has anyone done this?

Koapaka 08-20-2021 02:43 AM

Just wondering, are you aware of induction cooking options and how much less expensive it would be than to do the gas conversion??? With a swap out like this, you would be getting the control you want on heat settings. A fraction of the cost for what you are wanting to achieve. https://www.homedepot.com/p/FRIGIDAI...ction-overview

TedfromGA 08-20-2021 06:47 AM

Propane gas for all electric homes
 
We had a 250 gallon propane tank buried in our yard to service a generator. We also had a line run to service a gas stove and an outside grill. All this required approval from ARC and cost around $13 grand for generator and installation. We use about 50 gallons of propane / year with the generator running for 10 minutes each week plus the gas stove and grill. If we loose power the generator will power the house for about 5 days.

If you just want a gas stove (and maybe an outlet for gas grill) you don't want a 250 gallon tank buried. An outside 50 gallon would be sufficient to cover your use for a year. The questions are: a) can you place such a tank above ground next to your house?; b) if not then can a 50 gallon tank be buried - check with the propane supplier?; c) in any case check with ARC to determine if approval is required. Cost for this type of solution should be well under $1 grand.

Dan9871 08-20-2021 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Koapaka (Post 1991660)
Just wondering, are you aware of induction cooking

+1 on induction cooktop. Heating is quick, about the same as gas, very quick to heat up. Some have temp controlled burner too.

lstevenson1470 08-20-2021 08:35 AM

Regarding the induction stoves, do they reduce head quickly as well as heat up quickly? I'm always missjudging the temperatures before I walk away. For example, I get a nice simmer, watch for a minute, an then walk away. And it burns or boils over. Or I reduce temperature, watch for a minute for a nice simmer, walk away and when I get back it isn't simmering.

DAVES 08-20-2021 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by lstevenson1470 (Post 1991636)
I hate electric stoves, but Pine Ridge doesn't have gas. I would like to have a propane tank buried and switch to a gas stove. Has anyone done this?

Our previous home, not in Florida we had gas. I do not like electric stoves either. However unlike here we had a basement. The gas was in iron pipes, actually they are steel. I know several people have installed buried tanks. It looks kind of like a submarine. The line coming off that huge tank is PLASTIC. Distribution is in your attic-above your head called a manifold.

Electric stoves, there are many different types. The one we have, supplied by the builder
has continuously variable heat control. Not the old type that had or has click steps.
The way ours works it achieves the chosen temperature by being on FULL for various times. You need to LEARN how to let that horse know you are the boss. Top power is only good to boil water. If, you try to rush it, it will surely burn your food. I have a COPPER disc that I use under pots as needed. We have quality stainless steel pots with either THICK aluminum or copper bottoms.

bandsdavis 08-20-2021 08:50 AM

Yes we did exactly this a number of years ago in the Village of St. Charles. Total installation cost, including the permit, was under $1300. Suburban Propane out of Wildwood did the entire job for us and did a great job. You do have to get approval but they helped with that as well. I highly recommend it. Had an ocassion recently to cook on an electric stove again while travelling and it reminded me why I made the switch. As you mentioned in a later post, the problem is getting the setting correct when going down in temp, like for simmering.

DAVES 08-20-2021 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by lstevenson1470 (Post 1991844)
Regarding the induction stoves, do they reduce head quickly as well as heat up quickly? I'm always missjudging the temperatures before I walk away. For example, I get a nice simmer, watch for a minute, an then walk away. And it burns or boils over. Or I reduce temperature, watch for a minute for a nice simmer, walk away and when I get back it isn't simmering.

As said in my previous post, you need to teach that horse who is the boss. Unlike gas, the temperature does not change as fast particularly when you turn down the heat. I regularly make quantities of stuff like lentil soup, pea soup etc in large old pressure cookers.
I've even mastered that without burning. That was tough. Three or four gallons of burnt tasting soup is truly a disaster.

bluedivergirl 08-20-2021 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lstevenson1470 (Post 1991844)
Regarding the induction stoves, do they reduce head quickly as well as heat up quickly? I'm always missjudging the temperatures before I walk away. For example, I get a nice simmer, watch for a minute, an then walk away. And it burns or boils over. Or I reduce temperature, watch for a minute for a nice simmer, walk away and when I get back it isn't simmering.

They do. I've had a Samsung Induction for about 3+ years. I can have a teapot on full rolling boil, screaming like mad, turn the heat off and it stops whistling immediately.

You have to have magnetic pans. I chose All-Clad, and filled in with odds and ends from TJMaxx.

You will pay more for induction, but you just plug the range in, slide into place and you're done. No digging in the back yard.

I would do it again in a heartbeat.

Dan9871 08-20-2021 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lstevenson1470 (Post 1991844)
Regarding the induction stoves, do they reduce head quickly as well as heat up quickly? I'm always missjudging the temperatures before I walk away. For example, I get a nice simmer, watch for a minute, an then walk away. And it burns or boils over. Or I reduce temperature, watch for a minute for a nice simmer, walk away and when I get back it isn't simmering.

Yes, they reduce as quickly as they heat up.

Papa_lecki 08-20-2021 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TedfromGA (Post 1991734)
If you just want a gas stove (and maybe an outlet for gas grill) you don't want a 250 gallon tank buried. An outside 50 gallon would be sufficient to cover your use for a year. The questions are: a) can you place such a tank above ground next to your house?; b) if not then can a 50 gallon tank be buried - check with the propane supplier?; c) in any case check with ARC to determine if approval is required. Cost for this type of solution should be well under $1 grand.

I looked into it, you can not have an above ground propane tank - must be buried.

DAVES 08-20-2021 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 1991914)
I looked into it, you can not have an above ground propane tank - must be buried.

Not at all surprised, Not at all a common event but a propane tank is a bomb. Picture a home on fire. Heat plus flammable gas under pressure. A buried tank has no choice but to blow upwards not out.

The person driving the delivery truck, gets extra pay for hazardous cargo. We do not get paid when we drive on the same road.

jdulej 08-20-2021 02:34 PM

We were going to convert from electric to gas about two years ago. We already have a 90 gal propane tank for our spa and the spa heater sits right outside the kitchen, so the conversion would be easy.
Unfortunately, the Whirlpool Gold cook top the house came with had a cutout hole in the counter top one inch longer than every gas cook top sold in the USA. I could not believe it!
As luck would have it, Bosch induction cook tops require a cutout that matches the Whirlpool, so we went that route and have been very happy with it.

Bottom line - don't assume things will fit. Measure (twice!).

Gntlewind 08-21-2021 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by lstevenson1470 (Post 1991636)
I hate electric stoves, but Pine Ridge doesn't have gas. I would like to have a propane tank buried and switch to a gas stove. Has anyone done this?

We have switched the propane at both of the houses that we owned in the villages. It’s really easy to do and just as safe as having electricity in your house. My wife only wants to cook on gas for the same reasons that you quote it. Suburban Propane will do it for you and make it easy. If the gas pipes are run in the attic, they are just as safe as your electric lines.

Rwirish 08-21-2021 05:30 AM

Nope, no one has ever done this.

RealJudy 08-21-2021 06:04 AM

Yes. Contact Architectural Review Committee for approval.

Aloha1 08-21-2021 06:16 AM

We had a 125 gallon propane tank buried when we built in Pine Ridge. Runs our cook top and BBQ grill. I'm the chef in the family and I DETEST electric cooktops. Either Suburban or T & D Propane can do the job including the permits. Then go to Lowe's and order an American made DACOR cooktop. You won't be sorry.

Newvilla 08-21-2021 06:20 AM

Waste Heat
 
Coming from the Midwest where gas stoves are common, I bought a gas stove after moving to Florida. The waste heat coming from a gas stove is considerable when your A/C is running strong in the summer. The kitchen was hot when I used it. I switched back to electric.

Dendrn 08-21-2021 06:52 AM

I always had high end gas cooktop and loved them. Here we went with Wolf Induction and I will never go back to gas. If you prefer gas over electric you will love induction over gas. It is a different way of cooking and food taste better. Try cooking an egg on all three and you will be amazed at the flavor and texture on induction.

stevemeriam 08-21-2021 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lstevenson1470 (Post 1991636)
I hate electric stoves, but Pine Ridge doesn't have gas. I would like to have a propane tank buried and switch to a gas stove. Has anyone done this?

Yes, we did have a propane tank buried in our back yard when the house was built in chitty chatty. It can be done. Contact T & D propane. Good luck.

Sun star 08-21-2021 07:06 AM

Running gas line
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lstevenson1470 (Post 1991636)
I hate electric stoves, but Pine Ridge doesn't have gas. I would like to have a propane tank buried and switch to a gas stove. Has anyone done this?

Yes I had a line run to a new gas stove last year. I already had a buried gas tank because I have a pool. It was expensive to run a line Over a thousand dollars. I am happy to have a gas stove however.

TedfromGA 08-21-2021 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 1991992)
Not at all surprised, Not at all a common event but a propane tank is a bomb. Picture a home on fire. Heat plus flammable gas under pressure. A buried tank has no choice but to blow upwards not out.

The person driving the delivery truck, gets extra pay for hazardous cargo. We do not get paid when we drive on the same road.

Gasoline truck, Fuel Oil truck, Propane truck - all carry hazardous material. All will burn (not blow up) if hit by an object causing the tank to split open and a heat source causes ignition. A buried tank won't get hit by an object. If the buried tank or line leaks it won't blow up the tank even if the leak is ignited. Things blowing up on TV is not what really happens - how many cars do you see blowing up? Car/trucks do burn in accidents.... not blow up.

Zanicky 08-21-2021 07:27 AM

Tony
 
If you don’t mind me asking, how many times has your power gone out and needed the generator?


Quote:

Originally Posted by TedfromGA (Post 1991734)
We had a 250 gallon propane tank buried in our yard to service a generator. We also had a line run to service a gas stove and an outside grill. All this required approval from ARC and cost around $13 grand for generator and installation. We use about 50 gallons of propane / year with the generator running for 10 minutes each week plus the gas stove and grill. If we loose power the generator will power the house for about 5 days.

If you just want a gas stove (and maybe an outlet for gas grill) you don't want a 250 gallon tank buried. An outside 50 gallon would be sufficient to cover your use for a year. The questions are: a) can you place such a tank above ground next to your house?; b) if not then can a 50 gallon tank be buried - check with the propane supplier?; c) in any case check with ARC to determine if approval is required. Cost for this type of solution should be well under $1 grand.


stadry 08-21-2021 07:38 AM

3 mos agosuburban quoted $1,300 for the same work(buried250 gal) in osceola hills.

skippy05 08-21-2021 07:38 AM

For years I had always purchased homes with gas so that I could cook on gas. My FL home is only electric so I purchased a high-end induction range. To my surprise, high-end induction is FAR FAR superior cooking experience than gas and tons easier to clean up after you finish. Do not purchase a low end induction unit. Spend the money and be amazed. Example from AJMadison website Miele HR16222I Yes this costs 9k, but if you enjoy cooking...why not? AJ will ship to your home.

Moonrunner 08-21-2021 07:55 AM

Switch to propane
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lstevenson1470 (Post 1991636)
I hate electric stoves, but Pine Ridge doesn't have gas. I would like to have a propane tank buried and switch to a gas stove. Has anyone done this?

I switched and Suburban propane installed the tank and connections. They did a great job and with my gas stove I am once again a very happy cook✔️

Engine12 08-21-2021 08:17 AM

Belleview Propane will also bury and supply your tanks. Great company to work with !

rothbear 08-21-2021 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Koapaka (Post 1991660)
Just wondering, are you aware of induction cooking options and how much less expensive it would be than to do the gas conversion??? With a swap out like this, you would be getting the control you want on heat settings. A fraction of the cost for what you are wanting to achieve. Access Denied

I have the freestanding version of this stove and love, love, love it! Controls just like gas but safer and much easier to clean. I like the fact that if you turn on the wrong burner it doesn't heat up without a pan on it and will flash at you to let you know. I have always had smooth top electric stoves and hated cleaning them, but this one is so easy to clean. I had to get used to the fact that when you turn off the burner it actually turns off and doesn't continue to heat the food. I would recommend it without question. I did a lot of research and the Fridgidaire came out on top. Plus even though it's stainless it doesn't show fingerprints.

popbaby2 08-21-2021 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Koapaka (Post 1991660)
Just wondering, are you aware of induction cooking options and how much less expensive it would be than to do the gas conversion??? With a swap out like this, you would be getting the control you want on heat settings. A fraction of the cost for what you are wanting to achieve. Access Denied

Totally agree. Used both gas and electricity but i now love ❤️ my induction stove! Up north for summer using gas at my daughters - yuck- so slow……..

popbaby2 08-21-2021 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lstevenson1470 (Post 1991844)
Regarding the induction stoves, do they reduce head quickly as well as heat up quickly? I'm always missjudging the temperatures before I walk away. For example, I get a nice simmer, watch for a minute, an then walk away. And it burns or boils over. Or I reduce temperature, watch for a minute for a nice simmer, walk away and when I get back it isn't simmering.

Yes. Instant change.

Txcottage 08-21-2021 08:59 AM

Propane tank installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lstevenson1470 (Post 1991636)
I hate electric stoves, but Pine Ridge doesn't have gas. I would like to have a propane tank buried and switch to a gas stove. Has anyone done this?

We had a 50 gal propane tank installed below ground 12 years ago- you just see a small black mound above. It’s only been filled once when we got to 50% during that time although the company does monthly checks. I love having a dual fuel stove( gas cooktop/electric oven below) and when others had no electricity, I could still cook.

popbaby2 08-21-2021 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 1991854)
As said in my previous post, you need to teach that horse who is the boss. Unlike gas, the temperature does not change as fast particularly when you turn down the heat. I regularly make quantities of stuff like lentil soup, pea soup etc in large old pressure cookers.
I've even mastered that without burning. That was tough. Three or four gallons of burnt tasting soup is truly a disaster.

With induction, change of temp is IMMEDIATE!! Its fantastic!

DDToto41 08-21-2021 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lstevenson1470 (Post 1991636)
I hate electric stoves, but Pine Ridge doesn't have gas. I would like to have a propane tank buried and switch to a gas stove. Has anyone done this?

Be careful, get a competent bonded plumber to help with this. A gas orifice is much larger than a propane orifice, it produces a much higher flame and can catch your house on fire.

jdulej 08-21-2021 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Engine12 (Post 1992229)
Belleview Propane will also bury and supply your tanks. Great company to work with !

I'm not sure if this happens in FL (it does in CA), if you have a tank installed make sure you actually own the tank vs. just renting it. The up front cost if you rent the tank will be a lot lower, but it's a hassle if you sell the house with a rented tank.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 08-21-2021 10:41 AM

The gas vs electric doesn’t concern me I’m on my 6th home in villages and all buyers of my homes got a new stove and dishwasher because I never turned them on, I will say this ,I’m glad the current home which is my first pre owned home is electric which eliminates that small gas bill . Cooking is overrated and I’m healthy , low cholesterol, and no meds at 82 and love take out or eating in restaurants

elevatorman 08-21-2021 10:51 AM

Call the gas company and make sure there is no gas in your neighborhood. We are in a section of Duval that is all electric. However when the infrastructure was put in they ran gas pipes down the road and did not run gas to the homes. So the gas may be on your street just not run to your house.

graciegirl 08-21-2021 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lstevenson1470 (Post 1991844)
Regarding the induction stoves, do they reduce head quickly as well as heat up quickly? I'm always missjudging the temperatures before I walk away. For example, I get a nice simmer, watch for a minute, an then walk away. And it burns or boils over. Or I reduce temperature, watch for a minute for a nice simmer, walk away and when I get back it isn't simmering.

It is just like anything else it takes some patience and practice. We have to learn to move things OFF THE BURNER.

golfnut 08-21-2021 03:21 PM

We live in Belvedere and have gas, when we wanted new appliances we switched to an electric smooth top stove, we love it and clean up is a breeze, we couldn't keep the grates on the gas stove clean and it took forever to clean them.

kkingston57 08-21-2021 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koapaka (Post 1991660)
Just wondering, are you aware of induction cooking options and how much less expensive it would be than to do the gas conversion??? With a swap out like this, you would be getting the control you want on heat settings. A fraction of the cost for what you are wanting to achieve. https://www.homedepot.com/p/FRIGIDAI...ction-overview

Had the same thought. We went with induction stove. Faster than gas. Takes about 90 seconds to get water to boiling point and a lot less heat. Also it is much more controllable on the heat, especially when we have to simmer something.

Looked into getting a gas tankless hot water heater. Cost to install outweighed possible long term water heating cost.

joelfmi 08-21-2021 06:09 PM

First start with a licensed and insured Plumber that does propane tank and gas supply
 
Speak to the Villages construction department and Licensed Plumber tell them what you are doing they will direct you on what you have to do. Please don't look for bargains their none.


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