Local American Legion Post 347 denies access to VETERAN!
 

I know posting this is not the smartest thing to do, but I felt I had to say something about being denied access to the local American Legion Post 347 because of COVID-19 because I am not a member of their Post.

My wife and I just finished dinner at the Orange Blossom Hills Golf & Country Club and decided to stop at Post 347 for a drink on our way home in the Village of Hawkins.

I handed my membership card from American Legion Post 342 in St. Charles, IL, where I was a past commander and have been a member of this Post for over 40 years.

I was informed that because I was not a member of Post 347, I could not enter. The gatekeeper pointed to a posted sign stating only Post 347 members can enter because of COVID!

COVID has been around for 18 months, and this is their excuse to refuse my wife and me access to an organization I have spent over four decades as an active member.

Prior to today (8/21/21 at 1600 hours), we stopped two weeks ago on a Sunday afternoon only to leave because they were packed with BINGO players. At that time, I did not see anyone wearing a mask during BINGO or anyone wearing a mask this afternoon.

Post 347 blatantly refused access to my wife and I, both members of this national organization, and quite honestly, I am "****ed off"!

The Villages is supposed to be the friendliest community in Florida, but just outside The Villages in Lady Lake is the largest American Legion Post in the United States. They refused to allow me to enter!

OK, so maybe I am a nobody, but I am an Air Force veteran of 35 years, proud to serve my country and honored to be a member of the American Legion for forty-two years. Served in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War and currently undergoing cancer treatment at the VA for Agent Orange. Very active as a Veterans Advocate and presently working on a YouTube project entitled "Saluting American Veterans."

It was bad enough coming home from SEA and being spit at and rejected, but to deny a veteran who is an American Legion member access to their Post because of COVID is simply WRONG.

We moved here two months ago and recently started searching for opportunities to volunteer. One such organization is the Village Honor Flight, and they asked me to get involved. I intend to, but it seems this organization is tied to the American Legion Post 347, so I am having second thoughts!

Also, before we moved to The Villages, I heard a similar story about a member from another Post being denied entry and that bothered me!

The first time I went to Post 347 in June, I was welcomed and told that story was a misunderstanding.

Well, I hope this is a misunderstanding because today, more than ever, veterans need each other. And please, do not use COVID as an excuse because both my wife and I are vaccinated, and if you wanted us to wear masks, we would.

Please reconsider this stupid policy! Don't shut your doors to those entitled to the privileges of membership with the American Legion. Last I knew…an American Legion member, regardless of what posts they belong to, is entitled to access other posts worldwide.

Guess the rules are different in the friendliest community in Florida!

If I am wrong, I will apologize and retract this post; We were brothers and sisters when we served, so what changed?

Fred J. Rosenthal
MSgt. USAF (Retired)
5524 Brittany Terrace
The Villages, FL 32163
630-926-3109
therosenthalgroup@sbcglobal.net

Have you contacted the commander?
Some gatekeepers assume too much authority.

Should not have to contact anyone - also note hipocritical statement about being under covid restrictions when no one wears a mask.

I was a member of this lodge and dropped out due to not being treated very friendly when I stopped by once for a drink.

I did not contact the Post Commander, but I am sure within the next 24 hours he/she will have seen my post in either this or another social media outlet. I hate ranting, especially on social media forums, but this really got to me today and I cannot let it go. Our nation is going through some hard times, but so often the veterans step forward and are ready, willing, and able to lend a hand to those in need. We help each other to get through life, so why does this American Legion Post make it extremely difficult to feel welcomed? I do not believe that is the intent of the general membership of this post, but unfortunately, those in charge lack compassion and common sense. So until that changes, I am staying away from Post 347 and encourage other veterans to do the same.

Sir.

Thank you for your service. I know nothing about this but I am aware of four people who are in my inner circle who are looking to get tested for Covid today. They all have had both vaccines and are feeling ill after being exposed to someone who did test positive for Covid. They had not been together, each was a separate instance.

Maybe it is a new restriction due to an avalanche of new cases.

Again I thank you. Everyone I know in The Villages has great respect for our military and I hope that you find a reasonable answer.

Please know that you are very welcome in The Villages.

Fred -- thanks for your service from another Vet (8 years USAF 1969-1977). Seems to me you are complaining to the wrong audience. "The Villages" has no association that I know of with Post 347. It is simply geographically nearby. Clearly, the folks managing that facility need an attitude adjustment!

Veterans Memorial Post 347

They have restrictions for who enters on their new website. It is due to COVID 19 and they are not allowing any guests just members of their post and their spouse or continuing companion.

Maybe the whole reason that they don't require masks, is BECAUSE they only allow the local members in. Contract tracing is much easier to do if you are able to identify each person who enters and leave the facility, because they are ALL members of THAT facility.

Snide remarks about The Villages
 

Blame those who are responsible , ie: The Post Leadership

The Villages nor the "Developer have anything to do with this problem

Thank you for your service.

Sorry this happened. Thank you for your service - you are very much appreciated.

Last year I also was denied because I was not a post member, but a 30 year Legion and VFW member from Minnesota. I had my wife and to visiting friends and just want to stop for a drink. A members only game was being played and outsiders not allowed. Wow, first time ever denied. Vietnam Vet, Agent Orange Issues, 30 year member, denied. I wrote to everyone and now hear same story. They should close the post or change name away from a Vets organization. "Joe's Locals Only Pub" or something.

so....join this post?

Exactly. And yes, there are many new rules at plenty of locations due to covid. No use complaining about it. Follow the restrictions for now and be happy when life goes back to normal.

Thank you to those who have responded to my recent post. Yes, I understand the American Legion Post 347 is not associated with The Villages, except, the 7,000 members are primarily residents of The Villages. I totally understand the problems and concerns with the Covid variants and this local Post's ability to make rules to protect their members. My point is the attitude in which they present themselves to visiting veterans. As mentioned earlier, I am a past commander of a post in Illinois and have no intention of changing, even though I am a permanent resident in The Villages. As a veteran with 35-years of service in the Air Force, I enjoy the comradery of veterans around the world. I have always been welcomed in Posts I visited, but Post 347 does not provide that feeling. I've cooled down from Saturday's post, but I do not believe I will ever walk into this post again. The gatekeeper was rude and condescending. And if they were really concerned about Covid-19 and its variants, the bartenders would have had masks on and social distancing would be required at the bar and tables, which it wasn't. Having observed a double standard gave me an unwelcomed impression. I am sure a large percentage of their members would concur this policy does not serve in the best interest of the Post. Also debatable is the question: does their protocol actually protects anyone from coming in contact with someone who has Covid-19 or its variants? Regardless, I will play by their rules and more than likely never return to American Legion Post 347!

These are strange times, indeed. America is seeking the best way to get through a pandemic. Not always graciously.
Are you a full time resident now?
Could you transfer your membership to this post? I am not a member, but I have several friends who have many great evenings there.
If you enjoyed it before, you’d probably love it again.
This is our first pandemic…probably won’t be our last. We are all just trying to get through it safely.

Come on, that’s no answer. Here we have a veteran who is still giving his time, energy, and life for this country and his fellow veterans being denied a simple pleasure at that post maybe to just check it out, which shouldn’t matter being he is a member of a different post.
Thank you Mr. Rosenthal for your service.

So now you know.

Fred, Thank you for your service...
Are all of the guests that play bingo there members of that Post?
I've seen cars parked everywhere when they have a bingo night.
Just wondering.
:ohdear::ohdear:

I disagree with your discouraging veterans to join this post solely because you felt disrespected when you attempted to gain access. I too am a veteran of Vietnam and served over 30 years. Without knowing exactly why the hierarchy of the post decided to limit access I don’t believe it fair to denigrate the organization or the community in this forum. I just moved to The Villages this past September. I am a life member of the VFW and also intend to apply for membership to this American Legion post and hope they will have me as a member

Hey, I'm a vet. I know the Post he's talking about which isn't in the Villages. If I wanted to go there, I would presume I had to join, just like anyone else, whether you were a private/seaman/airman or a 4-star general or Rear Admiral. It's a private club. *shrugs*

just offering a simple solution. that's all. Hopefully he reaches out to the Post Commander.

The game you are referring to is called The Queen of Hearts. It’s played on Tuesday nights. Jackpots have exceeded $300k and twice have come down to the last card. When it gets close to the last few cards and the crowd starts exceeding fire capacity, they restrict it to members only as you have to be present to win. On occasion, you have to stand outside because they are at capacity, and that’s just with members. The Queen of Hearts has raised millions of dollars and funds not only the Post but also supports over 25 charities as well as provides college scholarships. I’m sorry you felt slighted. I simply signed up my family members (vets), so they could come as well. I would recommend you do the same so that you can join in on the opportunity to participate.

Sorry that happen sir
Thank you for all your years of service
Bless you and your family

Poor logic
 

Better to take the issue up within the origination since it (they) can do something about it if it really is a national org.

Why not become a member of the VFW? I see you were in SEA, so that would qualify you.

I'm a 26 year veteran. As a matter of transparency, this incident occurred about 3-1/2 years ago. I was part of another service group that was attempting to provide free dental services to needy vets..... vets who were living at or below the poverty line. We had arranged separately the necessary support money through grants and donations as well as a partnering with a local dental clinic which would provide their services for a relatively small cost to our group. The clinic had a mobile dental clinic which could be parked almost anywhere, including the post's parking lot, to bring the services to the vets.

I visited Post 347 and personally met with their services leader. I stressed to him we wanted no money from them. Our group simply needed the post to advertise our services and identify those disadvantaged members who could benefit from our services. I was told he would present our proposal to the post's leadership council the following week. As I was headed home, I received a text message stating our proposal was denied. The denial came in less than 20 minutes.

I was so disappointed and disillusioned that I vowed never to step foot in that post again. We ultimately partnered with a VFW post.

Sign up to volunteer at The Villages VA clinic.
You may not be able to work there immediately as they are only authorized limited volunteer staff dur to covid, but it is a great way to help your fellow veterans.

When I arrived in the Villages several years ago, I was welcomed as a Vietnam veteran at Vietnam Veterans of America Chapter 1036 meeting at Lake Miona. As current President of the chapter, I would welcome all veterans who served during the Vietnam conflict to consider joining our chapter. Our lifetime membership dues are now down to a one time payment of $50. As with many other Village organizations while having fun, we also try to help those in need.

VVA Chapter 1036 - Home

With all due respect Covid has changed everything

Thank you for your service and for the information.

I’m a member of the SAL out of Illinois and had been meaning to check out the Lady Lake post since we moved here permanently. I probably won’t bother now. Even with COVID, there’s no excuse for the way you were treated. (It’s not what you say, but how you say it).

Not that this is a solution, but if you ever find yourself in St. Pete, check out the Madeira Beach post 273. The setting is fantastic; a gulf inlet where you can watch boats, manatees, and dolphins. They treat their members and guests right.

I don’t blame you for not returning after the way they treated you

See the notice from the Commander at their website:
Veterans Memorial Post 347

It seems to be a temporary restriction, and they plan to make post accessible to all, including guests, when it is safer.

Just maybe they kept you from getting a deadly illness. Thank them.

Has nothing to do with: "friendliest community in Florida".

Appears to be a temporary policy to help protect their members.

Good thing it was only for: "a drink on our way home".

Post 219 in Fruitland Park right off 466A is open to everyone and a very friendly Legion. We are members of 347 and have friends visiting so we couldn’t bring them to 347 either even when they are members of their Post back home.

Thank you for your service. To think a veteran who served our country was denied entry has infuriated me. This is just utterly disrespectful and I am sorry who were subjected to such thoughtless behavior.

My thoughts as well.

thank you for a great post... End of story . We are on different times, and all trying our best.

Membership
 

Look up the ByLaws for the AL I think it states if your a member of one post you are a welcome to use any post.

I am not trying to show disrespect for the American Legion. I have been a member of the American Legion and VFW for over 40 years, but I am concerned that a card-carrying member is rudely denied access to this Post. And, some have suggested I joined this Post so I can partake of their post activities. Thanks, but their post leadership does not appeal to me!