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EdFNJ 08-27-2021 06:46 PM

Welcome to the "Freedom Cafe"
 
An interesting SATIRICAL piece ....... just some "food" for thought (Pun intended). ;)

Copied from: 'Freedom Cafe' description is a perfect response to arguments against mask requirements - Upworthy

Twitter user "Libby" has a satirical take (original Twitter posts) on the issue, one that perfectly illustrates how absurd anti-mask arguments sound in the context of public health. "Welcome to the Freedom Cafe!" she wrote. "We trust you to make your own choices if you want to wear a face mask. And, in the same spirit of individual liberty, we allow our staff to make their own choices about the safety procedures they prefer to follow as they prepare and serve your food."


"We encourage employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom," she continued, "but understand that some people may be allergic to certain soaps or may simply prefer not to wash their hands. It is not our place to tell them what to do.
We understand that you may be used to chicken that has been cooked to 165 degrees. We do have to respect that some of our cooks may have seen a meme or a YouTube video saying that 100 degrees is sufficient, and we do not want to encroach on their beliefs."

"Some of our cooks may prefer to use the same utensils for multiple ingredients, including ingredients some customers are allergic to. That is a cook's right to do so," she added.

"Some servers may wish to touch your food as they serve it. There is no reason that a healthy person with clean hands can't touch your food. We will take their word for it that they are healthy and clean."

"Water temperature and detergent are highly personal choices, and we allow our dishwashing team to decide how they'd prefer to wash the silverware you will put in your mouth.

Some of you may get sick, but almost everyone survives food poisoning. We think you'll agree that it's a small price to pay for the sweet freedom of no one ever being told what to do - and especially not for the silly reason of keeping strangers healthy."

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-27-2021 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1995428)
An interesting SATIRICAL piece ....... just some "food" for thought (Pun intended). ;)

Copied from: 'Freedom Cafe' description is a perfect response to arguments against mask requirements - Upworthy

Twitter user "Libby" has a satirical take (original Twitter posts) on the issue, one that perfectly illustrates how absurd anti-mask arguments sound in the context of public health. "Welcome to the Freedom Cafe!" she wrote. "We trust you to make your own choices if you want to wear a face mask. And, in the same spirit of individual liberty, we allow our staff to make their own choices about the safety procedures they prefer to follow as they prepare and serve your food."


"We encourage employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom," she continued, "but understand that some people may be allergic to certain soaps or may simply prefer not to wash their hands. It is not our place to tell them what to do.
We understand that you may be used to chicken that has been cooked to 165 degrees. We do have to respect that some of our cooks may have seen a meme or a YouTube video saying that 100 degrees is sufficient, and we do not want to encroach on their beliefs."

"Some of our cooks may prefer to use the same utensils for multiple ingredients, including ingredients some customers are allergic to. That is a cook's right to do so," she added.

"Some servers may wish to touch your food as they serve it. There is no reason that a healthy person with clean hands can't touch your food. We will take their word for it that they are healthy and clean."

"Water temperature and detergent are highly personal choices, and we allow our dishwashing team to decide how they'd prefer to wash the silverware you will put in your mouth.

Some of you may get sick, but almost everyone survives food poisoning. We think you'll agree that it's a small price to pay for the sweet freedom of no one ever being told what to do - and especially not for the silly reason of keeping strangers healthy."

I read this recently and loved it. It is such a great way to explain why "freedom" is a really stupid reason to not wear a mask.

tvbound 08-28-2021 07:55 AM

I too read this recently and while it perfectly exemplifies the silliness/selfishness of the anti-mask/anti-vaccination contingent, those who need to understand it the most - will fail to do so.

GrumpyOldMan 08-28-2021 08:49 AM

I felt this one was good also.

Djean1981 08-28-2021 08:57 AM

Not really the same..

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-28-2021 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Djean1981 (Post 1995606)
Not really the same..

You know, you're absolutely right.

The allergens in the food doesn't really count, because it will ONLY affect people who are allergic.

Everything else can affect each of the customers, whether they're allergic or not.

EdFNJ 08-28-2021 11:07 AM

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Not really the same..

Well heck, no one claimed it to be a scientifically accurate Twitter posted S-A-T-I-R-E. Since when do most people worry about scientific accuracy anyway? ;)

Boomer 08-28-2021 01:00 PM

Thank you, EdFNJ, I loved it! :)

Boomer

John41 08-28-2021 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1995428)
An interesting SATIRICAL piece ....... just some "food" for thought (Pun intended). ;)

Copied from: 'Freedom Cafe' description is a perfect response to arguments against mask requirements - Upworthy

Twitter user "Libby" has a satirical take (original Twitter posts) on the issue, one that perfectly illustrates how absurd anti-mask arguments sound in the context of public health. "Welcome to the Freedom Cafe!" she wrote. "We trust you to make your own choices if you want to wear a face mask. And, in the same spirit of individual liberty, we allow our staff to make their own choices about the safety procedures they prefer to follow as they prepare and serve your food."[/."

So Twitter is your reliable source for medical advice on Covid 19? LOL Figures.

glsatterlee 08-29-2021 06:03 AM

If you don’t like one of those things that’s going on in a restaurant, don’t go to it. That’s what freedom is.🤔😊

mk1126 08-29-2021 07:15 AM

CAfe
 
Exactly! Right on satire.

Dotneko 08-29-2021 07:20 AM

That'll learn the great unwashed. Sure, a message couched in satire. Just the ticket. The vaccinated can feel superior to the unvaccinated because they understand the sermon on the mount.

CoachKandSportsguy 08-29-2021 07:31 AM

Good one!

The issue everyone struggles with is freedom vs SAFETY. . .

part of freedom is reasonable safety. . .

those two concepts are intertwined in the legal, health and government systems.

good luck to all

Luggage 08-29-2021 07:31 AM

Just to point out, I am pretty sure that just about in every state of the union children must be vaccinated to enter public School. I am pretty sure also that just in every state cigarette smoking is highly regulated in public stores and restaurants. I am pretty sure that in every state seat belts are to be worn in automobiles when you are driving or a passenger. I am pretty sure that in every state young infants must be in car seats specifically designed for them for their safety. I am also pretty sure that in most States and this I'm not positive there's a helmet law for motorcyclists, not in Florida but there should be. I am also pretty sure red means stop and green means go and an intersection but you can do what you want if you want to get t-boned. I am also pretty sure that if the infection rate keeps going up it will be Federal mandates and state mandates that will find you if you don't wear a mask now that would be scary, but remember even in China they locked you down in your apartments for 30 days and would arrest you if you're out on the street so come on people use some relatively common sense and wear a mask.

Kelevision 08-29-2021 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1995785)
So Twitter is your reliable source for medical advice on Covid 19? LOL Figures.

:ohdear:

MDLNB 08-29-2021 07:35 AM

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I love satire.
But, lets be more informative about the proper and ONLY mask that is certified to work
and,
the proper attire to wear to protect one from the virus
and,
for those that panic the proper safe room

Please do NOT wear a paper mask because you are more likely to catch covid or a cold by handling the mask after shopping. We would not like for you to be a carrier. And when wearing the proper gear, it will be easy for your spouse to spray you with disinfectant and hose you down before you return to your safe room.

John41 08-29-2021 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1995923)
It's not a coincidence, that so many have been triggered by this satire, since they know (regardless of the source) - that it is true.

The satire uses the slippery slope logic fallacy.

Byte1 08-29-2021 08:28 AM

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Proper use of paper mask?

Spalumbos62 08-29-2021 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Djean1981 (Post 1995606)
Not really the same..


It couldn't be any more perfect. Love it!

PJackpot 08-29-2021 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1995428)
An interesting SATIRICAL piece ....... just some "food" for thought (Pun intended). ;)

Copied from: 'Freedom Cafe' description is a perfect response to arguments against mask requirements - Upworthy

Twitter user "Libby" has a satirical take (original Twitter posts) on the issue, one that perfectly illustrates how absurd anti-mask arguments sound in the context of public health. "Welcome to the Freedom Cafe!" she wrote. "We trust you to make your own choices if you want to wear a face mask. And, in the same spirit of individual liberty, we allow our staff to make their own choices about the safety procedures they prefer to follow as they prepare and serve your food."


"We encourage employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom," she continued, "but understand that some people may be allergic to certain soaps or may simply prefer not to wash their hands. It is not our place to tell them what to do.
We understand that you may be used to chicken that has been cooked to 165 degrees. We do have to respect that some of our cooks may have seen a meme or a YouTube video saying that 100 degrees is sufficient, and we do not want to encroach on their beliefs."

"Some of our cooks may prefer to use the same utensils for multiple ingredients, including ingredients some customers are allergic to. That is a cook's right to do so," she added.

"Some servers may wish to touch your food as they serve it. There is no reason that a healthy person with clean hands can't touch your food. We will take their word for it that they are healthy and clean."

"Water temperature and detergent are highly personal choices, and we allow our dishwashing team to decide how they'd prefer to wash the silverware you will put in your mouth.

Some of you may get sick, but almost everyone survives food poisoning. We think you'll agree that it's a small price to pay for the sweet freedom of no one ever being told what to do - and especially not for the silly reason of keeping strangers healthy."

Totally absurd...and not the least bit funny. And no, the science is not clear on how and why universal masking is effective.

GrumpyOldMan 08-29-2021 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 1995982)
Good one!

The issue everyone struggles with is freedom vs SAFETY. . .

part of freedom is reasonable safety. . .

those two concepts are intertwined in the legal, health, and government systems.

good luck to all

Public good/safety is a function we expect the government to be involved in. Private safety is debatable.

Jokomo 08-29-2021 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by glsatterlee (Post 1995933)
If you don’t like one of those things that’s going on in a restaurant, don’t go to it. That’s what freedom is.������������

I love it. More satire!

fishon 08-29-2021 09:38 AM

Hello.
Hi, table for two, please.
Sure, and your name.
Mark.
Great. And do you and your guest have your vaccination cards?
We do. Can you tell us who our server will be?
Um, looks like Michael will be your server tonight.
Great. Can you show us Michael's vaccination card as well as proof he is a U.S. Citizen.
Um...
And also, can you provide me with proof that Michael's is not a carrier of HIV, Hepatitis A, B, C, or any other communicable diseases?
Um...
Also, we would prefer not to be served by someone who is on or uses recreational drugs such as marijuana, cocaine, meth, fentanyl, etc., so if you could provide us with Michael's most recent tox screen, that would be great.
Um... Let me get the manager for you.
That would be great, thanks.
After all, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander…..

roscoguy 08-29-2021 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by fishon (Post 1996065)
Hello.
Hi, table for two, please.
Sure, and your name.
Mark.
Great. And do you and your guest have your vaccination cards?
We do. Can you tell us who our server will be?
Um, looks like Michael will be your server tonight.
Great. Can you show us Michael's vaccination card as well as proof he is a U.S. Citizen.
Um...
And also, can you provide me with proof that Michael's is not a carrier of HIV, Hepatitis A, B, C, or any other communicable diseases?
Um...
Also, we would prefer not to be served by someone who is on or uses recreational drugs such as marijuana, cocaine, meth, fentanyl, etc., so if you could provide us with Michael's most recent tox screen, that would be great.
Um... Let me get the manager for you.
That would be great, thanks.
After all, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander…..

Wait, on some planet showing proof of Covid vaccination is the same as all those other concerns?? Unless you been asked to prove that you are clear of all of them, where does the goose/gander thing comes in???

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-29-2021 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishon (Post 1996065)
Hello.
Hi, table for two, please.
Sure, and your name.
Mark.
Great. And do you and your guest have your vaccination cards?
We do. Can you tell us who our server will be?
Um, looks like Michael will be your server tonight.
Great. Can you show us Michael's vaccination card as well as proof he is a U.S. Citizen.
Um...
And also, can you provide me with proof that Michael's is not a carrier of HIV, Hepatitis A, B, C, or any other communicable diseases?
Um...
Also, we would prefer not to be served by someone who is on or uses recreational drugs such as marijuana, cocaine, meth, fentanyl, etc., so if you could provide us with Michael's most recent tox screen, that would be great.
Um... Let me get the manager for you.
That would be great, thanks.
After all, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander…..

Except, YOU went to THEM. You want something from THEM. Do you want it, or not? Are you in THEIR place of business, or in YOUR place of business? Is this THEIR house or YOUR house? Do THEY get to make the rules of their own place, or did they sign that right away to you?

If I were the restaurant owner I'd ask you to step over to the side to ask your questions, let everyone else get ahead of you, and tell you sorry - all the tables are full, try again some other day.

And I'd keep doing that until you get the point: when you go to someone ELSE's turf, THEY get to make the rules.

Swoop 08-29-2021 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1996085)
Except, YOU went to THEM. You want something from THEM. Do you want it, or not? Are you in THEIR place of business, or in YOUR place of business? Is this THEIR house or YOUR house? Do THEY get to make the rules of their own place, or did they sign that right away to you?

If I were the restaurant owner I'd ask you to step over to the side to ask your questions, let everyone else get ahead of you, and tell you sorry - all the tables are full, try again some other day.

And I'd keep doing that until you get the point: when you go to someone ELSE's turf, THEY get to make the rules.

Interesting. So as a restaurant owner I can say; I don’t like your tattoos so you can’t eat here, or you don’t look like you showered recently so I’m denying you entry, or you’re to heavy, you’ll make my other diners feel like I’m serving unhealthy food…
According to you, I get to make the rules? Right?

GrumpyOldMan 08-29-2021 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1996102)
Interesting. So as a restaurant owner I can say; I don’t like your tattoos so you can’t eat here, or you don’t look like you showered recently so I’m denying you entry, or you’re to heavy, you’ll make my other diners feel like I’m serving unhealthy food…
According to you, I get to make the rules? Right?

Yes, the restaurant owner does get to make the rules, ever notice the "We reserve the right to refuse service" signs.

Now, in our litigious society, it would b wise for the restaurant owner to not say WHY they are denying you service - the WHYcanbe grounds for a discrimination suit. But, to simply say, I do not want your business to please leave my establishment is every business owner's right.

cj1040 08-29-2021 10:53 AM

Freedom cafe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1995428)
An interesting SATIRICAL piece ....... just some "food" for thought (Pun intended). ;)

Copied from: 'Freedom Cafe' description is a perfect response to arguments against mask requirements - Upworthy

Twitter user "Libby" has a satirical take (original Twitter posts) on the issue, one that perfectly illustrates how absurd anti-mask arguments sound in the context of public health. "Welcome to the Freedom Cafe!" she wrote. "We trust you to make your own choices if you want to wear a face mask. And, in the same spirit of individual liberty, we allow our staff to make their own choices about the safety procedures they prefer to follow as they prepare and serve your food."


"We encourage employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom," she continued, "but understand that some people may be allergic to certain soaps or may simply prefer not to wash their hands. It is not our place to tell them what to do.
We understand that you may be used to chicken that has been cooked to 165 degrees. We do have to respect that some of our cooks may have seen a meme or a YouTube video saying that 100 degrees is sufficient, and we do not want to encroach on their beliefs."

"Some of our cooks may prefer to use the same utensils for multiple ingredients, including ingredients some customers are allergic to. That is a cook's right to do so," she added.

"Some servers may wish to touch your food as they serve it. There is no reason that a healthy person with clean hands can't touch your food. We will take their word for it that they are healthy and clean."

"Water temperature and detergent are highly personal choices, and we allow our dishwashing team to decide how they'd prefer to wash the silverware you will put in your mouth.

Some of you may get sick, but almost everyone survives food poisoning. We think you'll agree that it's a small price to pay for the sweet freedom of no one ever being told what to do - and especially not for the silly reason of keeping strangers healthy."

THIS MADE OUR DAY - SHOULD BE IN EVERY NEWSPAPER - LOVED IT !!!!:a040:

Packer Fan 08-29-2021 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1995569)
I too read this recently and while it perfectly exemplifies the silliness/selfishness of the anti-mask/anti-vaccination contingent, those who need to understand it the most - will fail to do so.

I resent you lumping
Anti mask with anti vaccines. The vaccines are science and have statistical proof they work. Everyone should get vaccinated. Masks have zero proof they work. Based on the size of the virus they are worthless. The analogy is using a chain link fence to keep out mosquitoes. If you wear a mask use an N95 which at least blocks something. If everyone got vaccinated we could stop the mask stupidity.

John41 08-29-2021 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cj1040 (Post 1996130)
THIS MADE OUR DAY - SHOULD BE IN EVERY NEWSPAPER - LOVED IT !!!!:a040:

And maybe followed by those who disobey the masking rules they promulgate for the deplorables. The sheep are so willing to follow because thinking hurts.

MDLNB 08-29-2021 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1996061)
Public good/safety is a function we expect the government to be involved in. Private safety is debatable.


Like eminent domain?

MDLNB 08-29-2021 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishon (Post 1996065)
Hello.
Hi, table for two, please.
Sure, and your name.
Mark.
Great. And do you and your guest have your vaccination cards?
We do. Can you tell us who our server will be?
Um, looks like Michael will be your server tonight.
Great. Can you show us Michael's vaccination card as well as proof he is a U.S. Citizen.
Um...
And also, can you provide me with proof that Michael's is not a carrier of HIV, Hepatitis A, B, C, or any other communicable diseases?
Um...
Also, we would prefer not to be served by someone who is on or uses recreational drugs such as marijuana, cocaine, meth, fentanyl, etc., so if you could provide us with Michael's most recent tox screen, that would be great.
Um... Let me get the manager for you.
That would be great, thanks.
After all, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander…..


EXCELLENT! :coolsmiley::coolsmiley::coolsmiley:

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-29-2021 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1996102)
Interesting. So as a restaurant owner I can say; I don’t like your tattoos so you can’t eat here, or you don’t look like you showered recently so I’m denying you entry, or you’re to heavy, you’ll make my other diners feel like I’m serving unhealthy food…
According to you, I get to make the rules? Right?

As long as the you aren't discriminating against someone on the basis of a protected status, yes. You get to make the rules.

You can require male diners to wear jackets and ties. You can require tattoos to be completely obscured/covered. You can require that patrons don't wear perfume. You can require that if you have blonde hair, you wear a scarf to cover it. Being blonde, wearing perfume, having a tattoo, and not wearing a jacket are not protected statuses.

Clubs in "high society" areas have bouncers that reject potential customers at the door if they don't have the right look, wear the right clothes, or come with the right guests. It's your business, you can let in or reject whoever you want as long as it doesn't violate actual discrimination laws.

EdFNJ 08-29-2021 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1996102)
Interesting. So as a restaurant owner I can say; I don’t like your tattoos so you can’t eat here, or you don’t look like you showered recently so I’m denying you entry, or you’re to heavy, you’ll make my other diners feel like I’m serving unhealthy food…
According to you, I get to make the rules? Right?

Sorry Mr Swoop, Actually they can.

Under federal anti-discrimination laws, businesses can refuse service to any person for any reason, unless the business is discriminating against a protected class or a included disability. At the national level, protected classes include: Race or color. National origin or citizenship.

Federal law offers additional protection against discrimination through the Americans with Disabilities Act. That law prohibits discrimination against people with disabilities when it comes to employment, transportation, and public accommodations. Places of public accommodation include stores, theaters, restaurants, hotels, daycare centers, gas stations, and doctors' offices.

Unless you can prove Body odor, weight and tattoos are disabilities then YES you can be refused service for exactly that.

Does Your Business Have the Right to Refuse Service to Customers? | Insureon

Legitimate reasons for refusing to serve a customer include:

Customers who arrive before, or refuse to leave after, business hours
Rowdy or disruptive behavior
Lack of hygiene or cleanliness
Violating set rules such as a dress code
Threats to the health and safety of workers or customers


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