Mandate Those Shots
 

All employers with +99 employees.

OHSA, "employees in grave danger"??? Think not.

I support vaccinations, but not this way.

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Agree. I worry about the slippery slope - today it's vaccinations but what might it be tomorrow? Once the approach is used the first time it will be that much easier to use it again. It seems like I heard of this approach being considered for something a year or so ago but I can't remember what it was now.

More than just a mandate
 

While the mandate in itself is far reaching and disgusting the whole speech pitted those with vaccines vs. those without. There was no mention of those who had covid not needing a vaccine having better antibodies than those getting the vaccine nor was there any reference to talking to your own PCP. I'm convinced this party in power merely seeks to divide and conquer and unfortunately it is working. We have been blessed to live through the best part of this country's history.

We often disagree but I'm with you 100% on this one. Encourage and make it easy but do not mandate. It will be interesting to see what the courts say.

Follow what's happening in Australia.............. coming soon to a country near you.

I support that like flu shots...those who want it get it....the rest consciously elect to risk getting the flu. It is their choice....they live with the results.

To get the virus vaccine or not unfortunately has been swept away from individual decisions to taking sides.

There are so many other things "mandated" in our lives by local, state, federal government, VCCD in TV, Deed restrictions in TV (and any where else), the draft, tax brackets, speed limits, et al.

When the vaccination is left to be voluntary then the results that follow should be acceptable as well.....hospitalizations, sickness and death of those not vaccinated.

Stop making it a big deal daily measurement.

It most certainly is not for those who choose to not get vaccinated!!

Take an hour out of your life and watch this video. It will completely explain what is happening in our country as Vaccine Mandate is just one of the vehicles:
Understanding the Culture with William Federer - YouTube

I am all for it. Enough of the vaccinated cow towing to those who refuse to educate themselves. If people don't get vaccinated then we all may be in danger of another variant that the vaccines won't work against. That's a national health issue. we all needed certain vaccines to go to school, I fail to see the difference in requiring this one....it's just a certain group that have adopted this as a rallying cry. Many approaches have already been tried to coax these people to do the right thing....special lotteries, money incentives, etc. Quantas is the first airline that is going to require vaccination...I hope more follow. many businesses are already requiring them (or trying to, i.e. cruises). People have died because there are no ICU beds available because of the unvaccinated. Frankly, I'm with Howard Stern (who I rarely agree with) on this: Howard Stern tears into people who won’t get Covid vaccine:
‘When are we going to stop putting up with the idiots in this country?’

Sometimes people need tough love. This is one of those times.

Never. We still put up with the idiots on this site, so the whole country????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Agree 100% with you. This has “fast track to the USSC” written all over it.

Personal choice
 

I am vaxed and according to the so called experts, I am protected from getting seriously ill from Covid. How are the unfaxed causing a danger to me and all the other 65% of the country who have also been vaxed? The millions who already had Covid and recovered have better imunity then I have so why should they get punished with needles needles or weekly tests? Also, what makes the postal workers so special? They come in contact with the majority of the country almost daily.

You may be currently well protected from getting covid as it stands now. However, this virus isn't static. it will continue to look for hosts so it can survive. and to do so it will mutate...if everyone had got the vaccine when they could, the delta variant wouldn't have had a chance to take hold like it's doing now. so as long as there are significant populations that refuse to get vaccinated, the virus will infect them and get better at doing it. and people should stop worrying about themselves and be at least a little concerned for the children unable to be vaccinated....while they may currently suffer less, there has been a surge in hospitalizations and children have died. the only way to end this nightmare is for everyone who is eligible to get vaccinated. as for usps it's USPS has a separate statutory scheme and is traditionally independent of federal personnel actions like this,” a Biden administration official said.
I don't know why...but USPS always had better health insurance rates than the rest of us federal employees which was also frustrating.

It's not about you. It's about all the people - including children who CANNOT be vaccinated - who need protection from idiots who refuse to vaccinate or mask up.

Children under 12 at the present time cannot be vaccinated. They deserve to be protected, their families deserve to have their kids return to school and not continue isolating at home.

EVERYONE deserves to return to taking our masks off in close quarters. We can't do that if there's 25% of the population just flat out refusing to vaccinate.

There are people who want to vaccinate but can't, due to medical restrictions. They DESERVE to be protected without having to isolate indefinitely.

This isn't about you, your freedumz, your feelings, your wants, your interests. It's about We the People and our right to LIFE, LIBERTY, and the Pursuit of happiness. We can't enjoy any of those three things, as long as people refuse to even TRY protecting each other. When people -refuse- to vaccinate, they are stepping on -my- rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They're stepping on your rights, they're stepping on everyone's rights.

The sooner we get everyone who *can* be vaccinated, vaccinated, the sooner we can return to our usual rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You know, those rights and freedoms that everyone whines about being taken away from them when someone tells them to put on the damned mask and get the damned jab already.

and to think that at one time I thought "1984" was a book of fiction

I disagree with the contents of this post

Political
 

I see no problem with mandated Covid vaccines except for religious or health reasons. I don’t know about you but I tired of people making Covid 19, vaccines, and masks a political issue. It’s a public health issue period and final. We are all in this together. Put down the gloves and stick up your arms for a shot to save lives.

I agree with your points about vaccination, mostly because of the children who as a group cannot be vaccinated yet. As far as those with medical issues that preclude vaccination, I don't think we can make policy for everyone based on less than 1% of the population.
As far as masks go, even though they are the "poster children" of this pandemic, they are very limited in their utility, and at this point really only serve to protect the unvaccinated from the unvaccinated. Yes, yes, I know there is a small percentage of vaccinated that can contract and spread COVID, but the likelihood of vaccinated to vaccinated transmission is pretty close to nothing. therefore, I only wear a mask if required, or if there is a possibility of children under 12 around. Those that refuse vaccination can take their chances, rotsa ruck.

Spot on
 

Your post is spot on and makes common sense. I know it’s the word “mandate” that gets some people back up. I understand but occasionally we are called to do something for the better good and that is what taking the Covid vaccine is all about.

Vaccinations have been mandatory before. This is not a first. What about mandatory vaccines for International travel? How about mandatory vaccines for children to attend school? It’s been done before. Why is the Covid vaccine any different?

I’m glad these vaccines are mandatory. Maybe we can get a handle on this virus.

Mandatory gene manipulation.

Wow. Did you ever think you'd live to see the day when it was illegal to refuse to let the government re-wire your genes?

I'm an old man with asthma. I don't care if my covid shots make me sterile or deform my future offspring -- I'm done breeding. I got the shots. But is it so bad to give young people the choice to not have their genes manipulated?

We're not talking about the Black Death or Ebola. We're talking about a cold virus that about 0.4% of the time progresses to pneumonia.

And we're talking about a vaccine that intentionally manipulates your genes to produce a foreign protein for your immune system to react to.

Maybe that's completely safe. But before we commit the next two generations of human beings to this experiment, wouldn't it be wise to leave at least a few people UN-altered, just in case?

It is always best to hog tie and jab, versus the normal way of doing this sort of thing.....Gee this has never been tried before has it.

Those that agree with forced vax...should remember to stop when the Qtip hits resistance.:icon_wink::icon_wink::icon_wink:

Mandates shouldn't be necessary. People should be WANTING to vaccinate. This is a changed world we live in, where there are small groups of people who propagate lies about medicine, and those who believe those lies. As a result, we see a significant minority who refuse and reject the vaccines. If this was an insignificant minority I'd say "live and let die" and not give another thought to it.

This never was a vaccine.......so that is why the CDC on Sept. 1 2021 changed the definition...as I said all along.....only a band-aid.....Gives primary protection only...just stops some symptoms....Herd immunity will be achieved once the thousands of cold viruses have reached that point......aint gonna happen......how many more lies can be swallowed??
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When a vaccine is made everyone will take it...not this stuff that is being peddled.

Just like the vaccines, there will never be 100% compliance but we can certainly do everything possible to get it done.

Not gene manipulation.
Doesn't re-wire your genes.
Doesn't manipulate anyone's genes.

isn't even illegal to refuse the vaccine. For the Fed employees it seems to be a requirement to work. For the rest of the US it is a requirement levied on the employer if they have more than 99 employees and comes with an option for testing.

While it may progress to pneumonia in 0.4% of the cases (I didn't look that up) it DOES progress to death in a little over 1% of the cases (need to recalculate after the current surge is over). Plus, the vaccine not only saves my life but it protects others, avoids over-utilization of health-care resources, and allows the economy to remain open.

Sars-2 is not a cold virus. Both sars-2 and the various rhinoviruses that make up the term "common cold" are all coronaviruses.

You pretend to be someone who knows about medicine, but apparently you are either missing a few facts, or you're intentionally ignoring them.

Let's try word comparisons:

Sars-2 is to rhinovirus like Chevy Malibu is to Ford Fusion. Both are motor vehicles. Both fall into the same category of motor vehicles - the sedan. They get similar MPG, they're in similar price categories, and have similar options.

Sars-2 and rhinovirus are both viruses fall into the same category: coronaviruses. They share some similar potential symptoms, and spread in similar ways - via moisture droplets. But just like a Chevy is not and never will be a Ford, Sars-2 is not and never will be a rhinovirus.


Hope that helps you.

Reminder: polio Vax. No problem, but not the "p" word and folks actually were concerned about their children and others.

You can disagree all you like. Fact is we have MANDATES for the vaccine. Thank goodness!!!!!

More to come. Stay tuned.

Oh for goodness sake. Even the governor of West Virginia has had it with the outrageous vaccine rumors. As he pointed out there are people who think it will implant a tracker in them but they take a cell phone with them everywhere. This vaccine has been proven to save lives…

Apparently you didn’t go to elementary school? Because those of us who did had to get mandated vaccines.

Well, why aren’t you as concerned about our governor usurping local governments and school boards? That seems way more autocratic.

Fact is it's not a fact yet.

Do I really have to re-post the dictionary definition of a vaccine AGAIN????
Well, I'm not going to. Very simply, IT IS A VACCINE.

Now, I have no idea what the "dr" in that user name represents, but clearly by virtue of content it has absolutely nothing to do with medicine.

I see this idiotic theme getting repeated on this thread as well.

Oh well, let's re-post from the other thread:

OK, time for remedial genetics 101:

A gene is a sequence of DNA that resides at a specific location on a chromosome and codes for a single protein/enzyme. We have over 100,000 of these genes, and they are separated by sequences of DNA that we do not fully understand, called intercalated DNA. The DNA, when needed to produce its end product, gets "unzipped" by a specific enzyme (RNA polymerase) and transcribes its code to a template known as mRNA. The mRNA then exits the nucleus of the cell, enters the cytoplasm and a ribosome finds it and copies the mRNA to its invers, tRNA. The tRNA then assembles amino acids into a protein chain according to the code.

Follow so far?????

The mRNA vaccines simply enter cells and their code gets translated on ribosomes via the same mechanism to its end product, which in this case is the spike protein of the COVID virus.

IT DOES NOT TOUCH YOUR DNA, IT DOES NOT ALTER ANY GENES, IT SIMPLY ACTS LIKE YOUR OWN mRNA. CLEAR ENOUGH?

Vaccines for international travel are required by the country you're visiting...

Anti-vax parents have been a huge thing for decades...

Sadly, those promoting the vaccine have lied , as well...

There has been a horrible job of messaging...