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SkBlogW 09-10-2021 05:39 PM

Jan 6 riot vs George Floyd riots vs 2017 Inauguration riot
 
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Real Clear Investigations did some research and produced a data chart compariong the riots. Interesting to see the contrasts in actual numbers compared to what the media deems important.

Screenshot of the data chart. see more at link below.

Attachment 90746

https://www.realclearinvestigations....se_791370.html

Bucco 09-10-2021 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2001696)
Real Clear Investigations did some research and produced a data chart compariong the riots. Interesting to see the contrasts in actual numbers compared to what the media deems important.

Screenshot of the data chart. see more at link below.

Attachment 90746

https://www.realclearinvestigations....se_791370.html

I realize I am considered biased because I consider Jan 6 one of the most world wide embarrassing moments in our history, from the instigator to the ignoring of it since.

I also will not waste the time regaling you with all the misinformation contained in the charts beginning with the basic format.

I also object to the comparison in any way. The purpose of each event is vital.

Having said that, I winced and had a heavy heart during the Floyd demonstrations, and nobody should ever endorse such actions.

Hearing the testimony of the officers before Congress, the pep talks given by elected officials and the threats since, again by elected officials, if it does not give you pause, there is a problem. The comments by elected officials since and , the disregard even for the legal process is disgusting at best. I can only hope that the testimony and actual records to be given at the upcoming hearings extends to punishment fitting for an invasion of our nationals capitol.

JMintzer 09-10-2021 06:12 PM

The testimony of the officers during the 1/6 hearings was dubious at best...

Officers crying because they were called names? Claiming never to have been called those names before, when there are hours of video showing BLM and Antifa rioters spewing those very same racial slurs...

Hell, just look what happens any time there is video of an officer making an arrest in any urban area...

And, pray tell, who was this "instigator"?

And please, regale away...

manaboutown 09-10-2021 06:18 PM

A relatively peaceful demonstration (except for the incompetent out of control cop murdering an unarmed female veteran) compared to three months of domestic terrorism.

stanley 09-10-2021 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 2001699)
I realize I am considered biased because I consider Jan 6 one of the most world wide embarrassing moments in our history, from the instigator to the ignoring of it since.

You ain't seen nothing yet Bucco. Within the next three tears Sh-t is going to hit the fan, and it won't be pretty. Talk and preach all you want.................you aren't going to stop it............nobody can

coffeebean 09-10-2021 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2001703)
The testimony of the officers during the 1/6 hearings was dubious at best...

Officers crying because they were called names? Claiming never to have been called those names before, when there are hours of video showing BLM and Antifa rioters spewing those very same racial slurs...

Hell, just look what happens any time there is video of an officer making an arrest in any urban area...

And, pray tell, who was this "instigator"?

And please, regale away...

You really need to ask that question?

coffeebean 09-10-2021 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2001706)
A relatively peaceful demonstration (except for the incompetent out of control cop murdering an unarmed female veteran) compared to three months of domestic terrorism.

You CAN NOT be serious!

stanley 09-10-2021 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2001734)
You really need to ask that question?

Yes.............what's your take?

SkBlogW 09-10-2021 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2001736)
You CAN NOT be serious!

Police Officers Assaulted/Injured: Floyd = 2037 Jan 6 = 140

Arrests: Floyd = 16,241 Jan 6 = 570

Floyd = Invasions of Public Space + Defacement of property + explosions + shootings by rioters + arson + looting + vehicular crimes

Jan 6 = Invasions of Public Space + Defacement of property

Jan 8 = single event single location

Floyd = 8,700 events, 574 involving violent acts; 140+ cities

Jan 6 = $1.5 million actual propert damages + 30 million in support services, temporary fencing etc

Floyd = Between 1 and 2 BILLION DOLLARS in property damages

Taltarzac725 09-10-2021 08:15 PM

A violent mob was pointed at the US Capitol Building with the motive of stopping the count of a legitimate vote. That is extremely serious no matter who did it.

stanley 09-10-2021 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 2001743)
If you speak of the plan on 9/18, that “could” be violent, but think the worst is yet to come.

Frankly, my personal view of my country and the entire situation is this......

I am saddened that so many on your side of the aisle have completely shut down on the United States. No longer are discussions had, but the leadership is nothing but threats. To the Jan 6 event, past present has publicly threatened capitol police .......and all comments from that side are about violence. Of some kind.

Perhaps if those hearings have the goods.....there will be very serious jail time.....lying to Congress, etc. then knowing the mentality of these people, we can count on violence in the streets.

Been festering for a couple years, and rumors...rumors show past president has been planning to somehow get his “army” in the streets. This is something he has advocated for years and years well before his term.

But, I will not be surprised if he has his minions finallly declare “war” on his own country (as in the South American countries)....

Threats from a GOP governor today inviting folks to take it to the streets about the vaccinations. Words from that side are always advocating violence, and I agree with you. There seems to be no way to stop it.

First time I posted this stuff, but still know folks who are “the know” and they are greatly concerned about the avalanche of violent threats from that side.

I pray to God, nothing happens , but all signs are bad.

He may get his wish to have his folks in the streets. Sort of sad when thinking about 9/11, and realizing how close we are to consuming ourselves.

No one is going to stop anything. It has NOTHING, I REPEAT...NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PERSON YOU THINK IT DOES! America....real Americans are fed up! It's too late.

SkBlogW 09-10-2021 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2001744)
A violent mob was pointed at the US Capitol Building with the motive of stopping the count of a legitimate vote. That is extremely serious no matter who did it.

100s of violent mobs were pointed at State Capitols, court houses. police stations and private businesses because a drug addict resisted arrest. That is extremely serious no matter who did it.

SkBlogW 09-10-2021 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 2001699)
I realize I am considered biased because I consider Jan 6 one of the most world wide embarrassing moments in our history, from the instigator to the ignoring of it since.

In contrast, millions of tourist flocked to our country to take part in the "peaceful " Floyd riots and learn how to throw Molotov cocktails. It was a huge boon to the tourism industry.

Taltarzac725 09-10-2021 09:19 PM

The various George Floyd riots were a chaotic mess involving a lot of people driven by thousands of different motives. The January 6 attempt to subvert a national election was driven by the hatred of the US system of government of a very small group of people. Mainly because the vote had not gone their way and they were losing their position of often unchecked abuse of power.

jbartle1 09-10-2021 10:24 PM

Some comments are sickening, I can't watch 1/6 clips without sadness for my country, how could this happen in the United States of America. I hope the commission throws the culprit in jail for a long long time.

Kelevision 09-11-2021 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 2001699)
I realize I am considered biased because I consider Jan 6 one of the most world wide embarrassing moments in our history, from the instigator to the ignoring of it since.

I also will not waste the time regaling you with all the misinformation contained in the charts beginning with the basic format.

I also object to the comparison in any way. The purpose of each event is vital.

Having said that, I winced and had a heavy heart during the Floyd demonstrations, and nobody should ever endorse such actions.

Hearing the testimony of the officers before Congress, the pep talks given by elected officials and the threats since, again by elected officials, if it does not give you pause, there is a problem. The comments by elected officials since and , the disregard even for the legal process is disgusting at best. I can only hope that the testimony and actual records to be given at the upcoming hearings extends to punishment fitting for an invasion of our nationals capitol.

I agree! If only we had a vaccine for foxitis. Also, read a headline this morning…. 20 years after 9/11, the US is at war with itself….. now that’s sad. :sad:

Billy1 09-11-2021 04:44 AM

I need someone to identify the real Americans for me.

Girlcopper 09-11-2021 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2001706)
A relatively peaceful demonstration (except for the incompetent out of control cop murdering an unarmed female veteran) compared to three months of domestic terrorism.

What?? Are you serious?. Peaceful?? I cant even find any further words to respond

golfing eagles 09-11-2021 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jbartle1 (Post 2001759)
Some comments are sickening, I can't watch 1/6 clips without sadness for my country, how could this happen in the United States of America. I hope the commission throws the culprit in jail for a long long time.

I hope they do too, Jan 6 was inexcusable. BUT FIRST, lets go back and throw all the "culprits" in jail from LA, Ferguson, Baltimore, Atlanta and Minneapolis

Andyb 09-11-2021 06:04 AM

Those arrested with the GF riots have all been released, those arrested January 16, still in solitary confinement jails, no bail.

Sheltie-Lover 09-11-2021 06:13 AM

I believe it is TIME TO TAKE DOWN THIS THREAD.

jswirs 09-11-2021 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 2001699)
I realize I am considered biased because I consider Jan 6 one of the most world wide embarrassing moments in our history, from the instigator to the ignoring of it since.

I also will not waste the time regaling you with all the misinformation contained in the charts beginning with the basic format.

I also object to the comparison in any way. The purpose of each event is vital.

Having said that, I winced and had a heavy heart during the Floyd demonstrations, and nobody should ever endorse such actions.

Hearing the testimony of the officers before Congress, the pep talks given by elected officials and the threats since, again by elected officials, if it does not give you pause, there is a problem. The comments by elected officials since and , the disregard even for the legal process is disgusting at best. I can only hope that the testimony and actual records to be given at the upcoming hearings extends to punishment fitting for an invasion of our nationals capitol.

The above underlined quote falls far short of what just occurred in Afghanistan.

thevillages2013 09-11-2021 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2001744)
A violent mob was pointed at the US Capitol Building with the motive of stopping the count of a legitimate vote. That is extremely serious no matter who did it.

I think you misspelled illegitimate

rustyp 09-11-2021 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2001696)
Real Clear Investigations did some research and produced a data chart compariong the riots. Interesting to see the contrasts in actual numbers compared to what the media deems important.

Screenshot of the data chart. see more at link below.

Attachment 90746

https://www.realclearinvestigations....se_791370.html

Are you implying the criteria is if someone else broke the law but didn't get incarcerated it is OK to break the law. With that logic shouldn't we release the majority sitting in jail cells today ?

Did you miss the day Mommy gave the "if Johnny jumps off the bridge" lesson ?

Bay Kid 09-11-2021 06:24 AM

We have become a 3rd world country. Protest, riots, burning, destruction of public/private property and murder.
So darn sad.

jdulej 09-11-2021 06:30 AM

Wow, there are some crazy, scary people on this topic. Knowing that the Villages has more guns per household than you'd find in South Chicago doesn't help me sleep any better.

That said, I'll throw my worthless 2 cents in after all the others I've read here.

This is what I think happened - The person we will not name and his/her minions planned the riots and assault on the Capitol, but they fully expected the DC police to repel the rioters, beating up a few in front of the cameras and if they were real lucky a few would get killed. This would have made for great optics - poor "protesters", trying to defend the Constitution, slaughtered by the only lefty cops in the US - DC cops.
Unfortunately, they underestimated the incompetence of the DC police (managers and planners, not the front liners) and the whole effort went south when the Capital was breached. That flipped the optics (which was always the only thing that mattered to he/she who will not be named).

rlcooper70 09-11-2021 06:32 AM

The George Floyd riots were a cry of frustration. The Jan6th riot was a call to overthrow the election system. Very different animals.

Nannyof3 09-11-2021 06:44 AM

extremely well said, thank you

Lindaws 09-11-2021 06:44 AM

Exactly

maggie1 09-11-2021 06:47 AM

Source of Info
 
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Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 2001800)
Those arrested with the GF riots have all been released, those arrested January 16, still in solitary confinement jails, no bail.

I'd be eager to see your source of information to lend credence to your claim. From what I've read through various internet links, the number of arrests in the George Floyd riots number between 11, 000 and 14,000. Now, please provide where you received the information that all 11,000 to 14,000 have been released from custody.:popcorn:

suepete06 09-11-2021 06:50 AM

Are you kidding?? Peaceful demonstrations?? What were you watching?

DaleDivine 09-11-2021 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheltie-Lover (Post 2001805)
I believe it is TIME TO TAKE DOWN THIS THREAD.

:popcorn::popcorn::blahblahblah::boom:

suepete06 09-11-2021 06:52 AM

You are so right!

holger danske 09-11-2021 07:07 AM

house rules
 
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Originally Posted by maggie1 (Post 2001843)
I'm thinking that with a question like that you are probably one of the unvaccinated because you've heard of rumors about it changing your RNA, or containing a microchip. How's that horse parasite medicine working for ya?

This is a toxic place. Whatever happened to the "USERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DIRECT COMMENTS TOWARD ANOTHER USER." rule? Selective enforcement? Asking for friend.

Bucco 09-11-2021 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stanley (Post 2001745)
No one is going to stop anything. It has NOTHING, I REPEAT...NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PERSON YOU THINK IT DOES! America....real Americans are fed up! It's too late.

Except for your inability to realize who led this attack, the anti United States Government movement you describe is real.

I have mentioned it relative to the anti vaccine movement, the Afghanistan agreement and release of leaders in advance then turning on our country for honoring such an agreement, the imergence of and seemingly love for Qanon and it’s followers firmly implanted as elected officials, etc. etc.

I think those you describe as fed up and instigating this anti United States movement will find, if they are successful in bringing the country down, will find they lived in a wonderful country.

Remember Steve Brannon sayin. “We want to tear this country down, etc”. Remember the theory about Wuhan and Bannon involvement....remember even GOP could not tolerate him inside WH , and remember the chief adviser to our ex Pres was Steve Bannon.

Your being proud of supporting anti United States Government with violence is symptomatic of sickness.

Most of us will spend 9/11 remembering.. I imagine you will be attending that boxing match instead,

MandoMan 09-11-2021 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2001696)
Real Clear Investigations did some research and produced a data chart compariong the riots. Interesting to see the contrasts in actual numbers compared to what the media deems important.

Screenshot of the data chart. see more at link below.

Attachment 90746

https://www.realclearinvestigations....se_791370.html

Arson, looting, and assault (including throwing things at the police) are illegal and should be punished to the full extent of the law, including long prison terms. They haven’t been, but they should be. The right to peaceful protest is guaranteed by the Constitution, but when the participants are shouting and screaming in rage and hatred, in my estimation that protest is no longer peaceful, but a riot, and so no longer legal, and it should result in dispersal, mass arrests, and at the least heavy fines. People in a mob assaulting police officers are accomplices even if they themselves aren’t throwing things, urging on the attackers and increasing their determination. I’d like those in those violent crowds who were only accomplices to be charged with felonies.

On the other hand, when a mob forces its way into the U.S. Capitol past security, through locked doors, through windows, with the intent of subverting the Constitution of the United States and overthrowing our government and harming elected legislators, that is an insurrection and should be punished with the maximum penalty the Constitution allows for insurrection, which is capital punishment. Maybe not for everyone, but for some, with at the least the maximum penalties for illegal trespass, accomplice to assault on a law-enforcement officer, accomplice to attempted kidnapping and attempted murder of federal legislators, rioting, and more. Those who stayed outside,Bletchley them go.

The crimes are different, so the punishments should be different, but in both cases the punishments should be heavy. They haven’t been.

Marine1974 09-11-2021 07:15 AM

False evidence presented to a FISA court
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 2001699)
I realize I am considered biased because I consider Jan 6 one of the most world wide embarrassing moments in our history, from the instigator to the ignoring of it since.

I also will not waste the time regaling you with all the misinformation contained in the charts beginning with the basic format.

I also object to the comparison in any way. The purpose of each event is vital.

Having said that, I winced and had a heavy heart during the Floyd demonstrations, and nobody should ever endorse such actions.

Hearing the testimony of the officers before Congress, the pep talks given by elected officials and the threats since, again by elected officials, if it does not give you pause, there is a problem. The comments by elected officials since and , the disregard even for the legal process is disgusting at best. I can only hope that the testimony and actual records to be given at the upcoming hearings extends to punishment fitting for an invasion of our nationals capitol.

Do you think the people in our government who were responsible for presenting false evidence to a FISA court in order to spy on an American 🇺🇸 citizen running for President make your blood boil because nobody went to jail ?

Marine1974 09-11-2021 07:25 AM

False evidence to a FISA Court
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 2001699)
I realize I am considered biased because I consider Jan 6 one of the most world wide embarrassing moments in our history, from the instigator to the ignoring of it since.

I also will not waste the time regaling you with all the misinformation contained in the charts beginning with the basic format.

I also object to the comparison in any way. The purpose of each event is vital.

Having said that, I winced and had a heavy heart during the Floyd demonstrations, and nobody should ever endorse such actions.

Hearing the testimony of the officers before Congress, the pep talks given by elected officials and the threats since, again by elected officials, if it does not give you pause, there is a problem. The comments by elected officials since and , the disregard even for the legal process is disgusting at best. I can only hope that the testimony and actual records to be given at the upcoming hearings extends to punishment fitting for an invasion of our nationals capitol.

I consider the false evidence presented to a FISA court to be just as embarrassing for our country . They actually used the false evidence to spy on an American 🇺🇸 running for President and nobody went to jail , this was overlooked by our justice system.

Bucco 09-11-2021 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Marine1974 (Post 2001861)
Do you think the people in our government who were responsible for presenting false evidence to a FISA court in order to spy on an American citizen running for President make your blood boil because nobody went to jail ?

I think anyone who violates the law is a criminal. I believe anyone who lies in court, or before Congress is a criminal...those who lie before congress deserve serious jail time.

I also think that those who advocate the overthrow of the United States Government should receive the maximum punishment allowed.

I believe that elected officials who do anything criminally that is anti US government should have special more severe punishment, and leading folks to insurrection based on untruths and falsehoods deserve a special treatment

Wondering how you feel about all the proven criminal activity in that campaign. Never anything close to that in history.

Bsturner 09-11-2021 07:28 AM

Jan 6 riot vs George Floyd riots vs 2017 Inauguration riot

To compare domestic terrorism and the attempted over throw of our government to miscreants acting out during protests of our police murdering a citizen in the street, and the fact that you can’t see the difference, is what’s wrong with our country today. When did the hate of fellow Americans become patriotism?


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