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SkBlogW 09-11-2021 08:12 AM

About that drone strike
 
After the drone strike, the headlines announced:

U.S. drone strike kills ‘multiple suicide bombers’ in Afghanistan, officials say

General Miley deemed it a "righteous strike"

But they never actually named the supposed Isis K "planners" killed in the strike.

The New York Times investigated and tell a different story. They killed a US Aid worker and 9 other innocent people including 3 children.

The New York Times and Washington Post say the strike the US said targeted an Islamic State operative actually killed an aid worker on daily duties in Kabul.

Afghanistan: US media cast doubt on Kabul drone strike

Examining a "righteous strike" WAPO

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...ike-questions/

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person? - The New York Times

Times Investigation: In U.S. Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb

In US Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb - The New York Times

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul - The New York Times

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person?

US Kabul drone strike appears to have killed an Afghan who worked for a US aid group: report

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/las...-the-wrong-guy

So much for "over the horizon anti terrorist capabilities. Sounds more like a "wag the dog strike" than a "righteous strike.

Aces4 09-11-2021 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2001935)
After the drone strike, the headlines announced:

U.S. drone strike kills ‘multiple suicide bombers’ in Afghanistan, officials say

General Miley deemed it a "righteous strike"

But they never actually named the supposed Isis K "planners" killed in the strike.

The New York Times investigated and tell a different story. They killed a US Aid worker and 9 other innocent people including 3 children.

The New York Times and Washington Post say the strike the US said targeted an Islamic State operative actually killed an aid worker on daily duties in Kabul.

Afghanistan: US media cast doubt on Kabul drone strike

Examining a "righteous strike" WAPO

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...ike-questions/

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person? - The New York Times

Times Investigation: In U.S. Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb

In US Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb - The New York Times

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul - The New York Times

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person?

US Kabul drone strike appears to have killed an Afghan who worked for a US aid group: report

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/las...-the-wrong-guy

So much for "over the horizon anti terrorist capabilities. Sounds more like a "wag the dog strike" than a "righteous strike.




Everyone is too busy sweeping it under the rug to explain and it doesn’t interest most of the news media.

Taltarzac725 09-11-2021 08:36 AM

Kabul attack: Ten family members, including children, dead after US strike - CNN

More Googling.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2001935)
After the drone strike, the headlines announced:

U.S. drone strike kills ‘multiple suicide bombers’ in Afghanistan, officials say

General Miley deemed it a "righteous strike"

But they never actually named the supposed Isis K "planners" killed in the strike.

The New York Times investigated and tell a different story. They killed a US Aid worker and 9 other innocent people including 3 children.

The New York Times and Washington Post say the strike the US said targeted an Islamic State operative actually killed an aid worker on daily duties in Kabul.

Afghanistan: US media cast doubt on Kabul drone strike

Examining a "righteous strike" WAPO

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...ike-questions/

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person? - The New York Times

Times Investigation: In U.S. Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb

In US Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb - The New York Times

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul - The New York Times

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person?

US Kabul drone strike appears to have killed an Afghan who worked for a US aid group: report

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/las...-the-wrong-guy

So much for "over the horizon anti terrorist capabilities. Sounds more like a "wag the dog strike" than a "righteous strike.


Taltarzac725 09-11-2021 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2001968)
Everyone is too busy sweeping it under the rug to explain and it doesn’t interest most of the news media.

Kabul attack: Ten family members, including children, dead after US strike - CNN

It is not being swept under the rug.

PugMom 09-11-2021 08:42 AM

i saw that in the UKDailyMail. i don't know what to think or believe anymore. what 1 person says another will deny. such an awful mess

jdulej 09-11-2021 09:42 AM

Could be just another batch of lies from the same generals who have been lying about our great progress in Afghanistan for the past 20 years. Anybody really surprised?

holger danske 09-11-2021 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heims01 (Post 2002043)
They gave authority to use the drone strikes to "lower Level" commanders who were probably anxious to avenge the killing of Marines at the airport entrance. The fog of war may not apply in this case.

Appears this went all the way up the CENTCOM chain of command. Not the fault of the grunt who pushed the button. Generals need to be held accountable.

MrFlorida 09-11-2021 10:03 AM

I don't watch the news anymore, or believe anything the government says, it's all propaganda .

SkBlogW 09-11-2021 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heims01 (Post 2002043)
They gave authority to use the drone strikes to "lower Level" commanders who were probably anxious to avenge the killing of Marines at the airport entrance. The fog of war may not apply in this case.

Nonsense. Overseas drone strikes require approval of "the big guy"

Correction to OP. It was 9 members of the aid worker's family killed in the strike, including his 7 children,

Imagine if your average american ran over and killed a family of ten in a crosswalk. Then tells the judge and jury that they were terrorists, and their suicide vests all detonated.

The needle or life behind bars at least.

Topspinmo 09-11-2021 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdulej (Post 2002049)
Could be just another batch of lies from the same generals who have been lying about our great progress in Afghanistan for the past 20 years. Anybody really surprised?


Funny how military works when reporting to career politicians, no career politicians want to here bad news. So what happens in the trenches at lowest level incidence hardly even gets reported correctly to high levels. It goes through several layers of supervision and management all putting there twist on it so they look good for promotions.

Topspinmo 09-11-2021 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by holger danske (Post 2002054)
Appears this went all the way up the CENTCOM chain of command. Not the fault of the grunt who pushed the button. Generals need to be held accountable.


See my post, not going to happen.

Two Bills 09-11-2021 02:33 PM

I had a company commander who had a sign on his wall saying, 'The Buck stops at the man below me!'

John41 09-11-2021 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2002252)
I had a company commander who had a sign on his wall saying, 'The Buck stops at the man below me!'

The Peter Principle explains how Milley and Austin got to their positions.
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The Peter Principle is a concept in management developed by Laurence J. Peter, which observes that people in a hierarchy tend to rise to their "maximum level of incompetence":

Topspinmo 09-11-2021 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2002252)
I had a company commander who had a sign on his wall saying, 'The Buck stops at the man below me!'


Should of read 5 men below me.:shocked:

kendi 09-12-2021 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2001935)
After the drone strike, the headlines announced:

U.S. drone strike kills ‘multiple suicide bombers’ in Afghanistan, officials say

General Miley deemed it a "righteous strike"

But they never actually named the supposed Isis K "planners" killed in the strike.

The New York Times investigated and tell a different story. They killed a US Aid worker and 9 other innocent people including 3 children.

The New York Times and Washington Post say the strike the US said targeted an Islamic State operative actually killed an aid worker on daily duties in Kabul.

Afghanistan: US media cast doubt on Kabul drone strike

Examining a "righteous strike" WAPO

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...ike-questions/

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person? - The New York Times

Times Investigation: In U.S. Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb

In US Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb - The New York Times

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul - The New York Times

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person?

US Kabul drone strike appears to have killed an Afghan who worked for a US aid group: report

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/las...-the-wrong-guy

So much for "over the horizon anti terrorist capabilities. Sounds more like a "wag the dog strike" than a "righteous strike.

I take any of these reports with a grain of salt. Bottom line is we really don’t know who was killed and likely never will. Sad that honesty is not the best policy in reporting

merrymini 09-12-2021 06:31 AM

Milley was too busy changing pronouns in military pamphlets.

fastboat 09-12-2021 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2001935)
After the drone strike, the headlines announced:

U.S. drone strike kills ‘multiple suicide bombers’ in Afghanistan, officials say

General Miley deemed it a "righteous strike"

But they never actually named the supposed Isis K "planners" killed in the strike.

The New York Times investigated and tell a different story. They killed a US Aid worker and 9 other innocent people including 3 children.

The New York Times and Washington Post say the strike the US said targeted an Islamic State operative actually killed an aid worker on daily duties in Kabul.

Afghanistan: US media cast doubt on Kabul drone strike

Examining a "righteous strike" WAPO

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...ike-questions/

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person? - The New York Times

Times Investigation: In U.S. Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb

In US Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb - The New York Times

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul - The New York Times

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person?

US Kabul drone strike appears to have killed an Afghan who worked for a US aid group: report

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/las...-the-wrong-guy

So much for "over the horizon anti terrorist capabilities. Sounds more like a "wag the dog strike" than a "righteous strike.

"They" have NO idea who the suspected bomb planner was. They just lobbed a bomb into a crowd of people and claimed they got the bomber to make the real story go away.

gpk111 09-12-2021 07:43 AM

I saw a large secondary explosion, implying that the targeted truck was loaded with explosives.

It was parked in a densely populated neigborhood, presumably on purpose to avoid detection. The sad killing of the aid worker was unintentional.

The media is now shifting the succesful military and intelligence story to one of blame, surely with the help of the Taliban.

What am I missing?

SkBlogW 09-12-2021 07:44 AM

3 Attachment(s)
“The procedures were correctly followed and it was a righteous strike” Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said afterward.

Some of the kids killed.

Attachment 90771

Attachment 90772

Attachment 90773

Here's a video at NY Times that will tell you everything you need to know.

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person? - The New York Times

Billy1 09-12-2021 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2001935)
After the drone strike, the headlines announced:

U.S. drone strike kills ‘multiple suicide bombers’ in Afghanistan, officials say

General Miley deemed it a "righteous strike"

But they never actually named the supposed Isis K "planners" killed in the strike.

The New York Times investigated and tell a different story. They killed a US Aid worker and 9 other innocent people including 3 children.

The New York Times and Washington Post say the strike the US said targeted an Islamic State operative actually killed an aid worker on daily duties in Kabul.

Afghanistan: US media cast doubt on Kabul drone strike

Examining a "righteous strike" WAPO

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...ike-questions/

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person? - The New York Times

Times Investigation: In U.S. Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb

In US Drone Strike, Evidence Suggests No ISIS Bomb - The New York Times

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul

Military Analysis Raises Questions About Deadly Drone Strike in Kabul - The New York Times

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person?

US Kabul drone strike appears to have killed an Afghan who worked for a US aid group: report

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/las...-the-wrong-guy

So much for "over the horizon anti terrorist capabilities. Sounds more like a "wag the dog strike" than a "righteous strike.

Let us thank God we re out of Afghanistan.

jdulej 09-12-2021 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2002601)
“The procedures were correctly followed and it was a righteous strike” Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said afterward.

Some of the kids killed.

Attachment 90771

Attachment 90772

Attachment 90773

Here's a video at NY Times that will tell you everything you need to know.

‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person? - The New York Times

This is a sad moment, but is it any different from the thousands, or tens of thousands of kids killed in Afghanistan over the past 20 years. Oh, wait, there is a difference - it happened under Biden's watch, and he's the right's current bad guy.

Billy1 09-12-2021 07:59 AM

I read the Peter Principle many years ago, I believe they have a new name for the concept now, but I agree with the principle. Old memories came back.

MandoMan 09-12-2021 08:00 AM

Remember the thirteen U.S. troops killed a few days before because the Taliban “guarding” the road to the airport allowed a suicide bomber to get past their checkpoints? Remember the “credible threat” that another bomb was about to be set off? Was there immense pressure to keep that from happening? Did the guy in the car look highly suspicious to people watching on satellite or drone images? Yes! Is there a lag time between when the order to strike is given and when the drone hits? Yes. Would you rather that the guy who gave the order hesitate until after another bomb had gone off? Are you glad the hit was made in an enclosed courtyard instead of on a busy street where hundreds might have been killed? I’m sorry the kids died, but so did those 13 troops. Go complain to their families! Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty, right? Don’t try to politicize this. I think the right decision was made.

lkagele 09-12-2021 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2001983)
i saw that in the UKDailyMail. i don't know what to think or believe anymore. what 1 person says another will deny. such an awful mess

The investigation was done by the NY Times, hardly a far right publication. The investigation was thorough including surveillance video of this guys travels throughout the day.

Our woke military is becoming a joke. Can't tell the difference between bombs and water jugs.

jdulej 09-12-2021 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 2002635)
The investigation was done by the NY Times, hardly a far right publication. The investigation was thorough including surveillance video of this guys travels throughout the day.

Our woke military is becoming a joke. Can't tell the difference between bombs and water jugs.

Seriously? Do you remember "Smart Bombs" we used in Iraq? It took longer to find out that it was all BS. I think the military spewing lies has not stayed ahead of people's ability to find the truth.

SkBlogW 09-12-2021 08:13 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Quote:

Originally Posted by gpk111 (Post 2002600)
I saw a large secondary explosion, implying that the targeted truck was loaded with explosives.

It was parked in a densely populated neigborhood, presumably on purpose to avoid detection. The sad killing of the aid worker was unintentional.

The media is now shifting the succesful military and intelligence story to one of blame, surely with the help of the Taliban.

What am I missing?

You saw a gas tank explode. Even a moron could see that the car was not loaded with explosives because the wall 2 feet from the car is still standing.

The car was parked in the aid worker's home after his day of running errands, bringing water etc. Which is why 7 children died.

Attachment 90774

Fassinof 09-12-2021 08:24 AM

So much lying from our government from the top down. And, unfortunately had to watch a walking corpse try to commemorate those that passed on 9/11.

jdulej 09-12-2021 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fassinof (Post 2002660)
So much lying from our government from the top down. And, unfortunately had to watch a walking corpse try to commemorate those that passed on 9/11.

At least he (and all other living pres except Carter who is sick) showed up.

Topspinmo 09-12-2021 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdulej (Post 2002735)
At least he (and all other living pres except Carter who is sick) showed up.

Maybe they wasn’t invited.

Geodyssey 09-12-2021 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdulej (Post 2002049)
Could be just another batch of lies from the same generals who have been lying about our great progress in Afghanistan for the past 20 years. Anybody really surprised?

No, not surprised. The whole war was based on fake info. Started & ended terribly. What a waste.

But some people did well, including military contractors & their stockholders and "Our Greatest Ally".

jimjamuser 09-12-2021 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John41 (Post 2001987)
One of many blunders. More to come. Incompetence and misinformation at the top levels of government and the military.

There is a general statement that is helpful here - without any moraL judgment or in-depth research into facts or fictions.....................the FOG of WAR!

jimjamuser 09-12-2021 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2002034)
oops

It is OK to say oops as long as you are NOT a brain surgeon.

jimjamuser 09-12-2021 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpk111 (Post 2002600)
I saw a large secondary explosion, implying that the targeted truck was loaded with explosives.

It was parked in a densely populated neigborhood, presumably on purpose to avoid detection. The sad killing of the aid worker was unintentional.

The media is now shifting the succesful military and intelligence story to one of blame, surely with the help of the Taliban.

What am I missing?

Sounds likely to me.

jimjamuser 09-12-2021 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy1 (Post 2002620)
Let us thank God we re out of Afghanistan.

Getting in was good. Getting out was good, but would have been better after bin Laden "slipped" out of Afghanistan. Nation-building was a myth and probably a result of GREED, which may drive MOST human behavior.

jimjamuser 09-12-2021 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 2002635)
The investigation was done by the NY Times, hardly a far right publication. The investigation was thorough including surveillance video of this guys travels throughout the day.

Our woke military is becoming a joke. Can't tell the difference between bombs and water jugs.

Well, I say to bring back the non-volunteer military by some "luck of the draw" methods. I worry that the all-volunteer force could turn on US citizens. And fix the leaders in Wa. by having term limits - return to citizen government. Also 6-year terms for the Supreme Court. And change the name to something less dictator-sounding.

SkBlogW 09-12-2021 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdulej (Post 2002812)
Sure. Wasn't invited, didn't whine about it, decided to go to a third rate boxing match. Sounds just like him.

At least he wasn't pulling the trigger on a wag the dog drone strike that killed a family of 10.

Cindyd 09-12-2021 06:32 PM

Who gave the order?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heims01 (Post 2002043)
They gave authority to use the drone strikes to "lower Level" commanders who were probably anxious to avenge the killing of Marines at the airport entrance. The fog of war may not apply in this case.

How do you know who gave the order? Pls share source.

Cindyd 09-12-2021 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kendi (Post 2002513)
I take any of these reports with a grain of salt. Bottom line is we really don’t know who was killed and likely never will. Sad that honesty is not the best policy in reporting



We should insist on knowing the truth

Cindyd 09-12-2021 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastboat (Post 2002546)
"They" have NO idea who the suspected bomb planner was. They just lobbed a bomb into a crowd of people and claimed they got the bomber to make the real story go away.

Someone has the footage from drone itself, and they people on the ground have an idea. There are still reporters in Afghanistan, just not US military….not sure if all NATO military and/or embassies have left on not. That would be interesting to know, as it’s reported they have over 1000 people behind enemy lines.

Doctor Who 09-12-2021 08:32 PM

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