I'll take "Things that never happened" for $800, Alex.
 

A Man Died After Being Turned Away From 43 ICUs At Capacity Due To COVID, Family Says

An Alabama Man Dies After Being Turned Away From 43 Hospitals At Capacity : Coronavirus Updates : NPR

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They published this article despite this "NPR attempted without success to reach the DeMonia family." and this

"A Cullman Regional Medical Center spokesperson, who declined to give specifics of Ray DeMonia's case, citing privacy concerns, confirmed to NPR that he was transferred from the hospital but said the reason was that he required "a higher level of specialized care not available" there."
#journalism

What thing did not happen? Did he not die? Was he not transferred out of state? Did the hospital that transferred him not look to the in-state hospitals first? What thing did not happen?

read the headline
 

Here is his obituary. I doubt he went to 43 hospitals but rather contacted 43 in 3 states as this obituary states. Ray DeMonia Obituary - Cullman, AL I am assuming this is an vax anti-vax issue. The government can compel to vaccinate. I was fully vaccinated. My reluctant choice but did it and was quite sick with 2nd dose. I don’t know what the right thing to do is, but it is alarming that we can be compelled to vaccinate. Perhaps MMR DPT didn’t have the same alarming community response to vaccination. Perhaps the situation was different and those viruses weren’t considered manmade.

How many was he turned away from? Where did you, sitting here in Florida, get the information that contradicts what was reported by the family and the hospital in Alabama?

No. It's a shoddy journalism issue. NPR is a news source relied on by many people. Yet they chose to run an article without adequate investigation to drive a certain agenda. Where in the article does it say the family contacted 43 hospitals but were turned away because of lack of space. The only hospital contacted said he needed specialized care not available there. I'm just calling BS on NPR. Don't turn it into a vax issue.

Yup, you must be right because we read it on the internet.

I admit I read the headline this morning and read no further. I was immediately skeptical about the facts.

I have noted possibly three articles in the last six months with similarly difficult to believe stories from NPR which in the past I had always depended on for good sourcing and careful checking.

I join the throngs of people who wonder, "Just who can be believed, anymore".

I still trust the CDC and the FDA but it has been very difficult to keep up with an ever changing situation and them getting all of the information they need.

I am tired boss.

Definitely, the one minute I spent finding his obituary points to the shoddy journalism. I am saying that the media turned this into a vax issue by supplying an article inciting fear in the general public by not getting vaccinated, you may have a tough time finding an ER.

For heaven's sake, man, what more do you need?

Shut this thread down......no valuable information just someone wanting to mix it up! IMHO!

Yep. The pointless pot stirring bait threads seem to be endless these days.

Yep. My official opinion on this thread is "no comment"

You may have a hard time finding an ICU bed if you have a heart attack and all the facilities are in use. Alabama population only has a 40% of both shots. It's not news unless it supports the OP’s beliefs.

I'm wondering if you actually read the article you linked??? Here's what it says, all the way down in the third paragraph: "Due to COVID 19, CRMC emergency staff contacted 43 hospitals in 3 states in search of a Cardiac ICU bed and finally located one in Meridian, MS.," the last paragraph of DeMonia's obituary reads, referring to the Cullman Regional Medical Center."

And the good thing is, those difficult to believe stories from NPR are being funded by your tax dollars.

indeed. there are already endless number of threads on covid, --just pick one & carry on

Thank you for also taking the time and effort to actually read the link. While no entity or news source is 100% perfect, if it comes down to believing the vast majority of what comes from Fox/AON/Newsmax/Etc. or NPR - I'll take NPR for $10K Alex.

May I summarize? Holger comes on TOTV and starts a thread entitled

I'll take "Things that never happened" for $800, Alex. where he says the NPR story is made up, it never happened because ..reasons..

Several people fact check Holger and find, amazingly, that the NPR story is fully supported by the dead person's obituary and the state Health Dept.

The facts seem to be that the man presented to an ER in a hospital that could not manage his heart attack. The ER called 43 hospitals before they finally found one that would accept him as a patient, and he was transferred. He died in that out of state hospital from his heart attack. Had there been a closer place with an open ICU or CCU bed perhaps he lives, perhaps not. But the NPR story, the obituary and the other evidence is that the events as reported actually happened.

I am waiting for Holger to return and explain why he is attacking NPR, which in this case was 100% reliable, but is leaving his reliability in serious question by not retracting his assertion or further documenting why he believes he is right that this never happened. I can report that NPR does make mistakes, and when they are aware of them they make corrections. Will Holger do the same??

"...explain why he is attacking NPR..."


With all due respect, I don't think there are too many who don't know the real answer to that.

And that "difficult to believe story" is seemingly true, amazing.

We demand, we expect perfection. Reality is perfection does not exist. Enough facilities to handle the current expanded load. Yes, it is money. We would then object to the high cost of medical care.

He required a higher level of specialized care. They cannot say, based on his coverage to treat him will be a loss.

Well, I now get most of my news from Stephen Colbert.

Boomer

Yes we had to save big bird.

More fear mongering , if you are with weakened immunity protect yourself , quit posting isolated cases of folks that did not protect themselves.

CBS last night reported a young boy with appendicitis waited hours before being seen because all he’d were taken by COVID patients. Father confirmed they nearly list their son.

Npr = national propaganda reporting

So? He wasnt turned away from ICUs as you say. The hospital was at capacity plus they didnt have the level of care he needed. I dont understand the reason to repost this article

Only 43??

It is shoddy journalism and it’s not the first time. My husband and I worked for the government and were on the inside of many criminal cases. The local NPR in So Cal lied regularly and would use unnecessary adjectives to describe agencies they didn’t like. For example, “the all-too-powerful prison guard’s Union”. How about “the prison guards union voted today to request stab vests inside of every level of prison”.?

Omg
 

We have brains so we may filter all this garbage . It was a click bait title . But the truth is we do have many hospitals at near capacity .

I don't know if we'll ever figure this out, but one thing that I have always felt was wrong, and this pandemic has reenforced for me, is the idea that we have these huge buildings, i.e. hospitals, where we send, treat, and concentrate, infectious people, and then we send into these same buildings, patients and care providers who aren't sick or infectious.
If I need a new knee, or I've been in a car accident, or I'm having a heart attack, why am I being sent to a building full of infected people? If I work as a surgeon or nurse or radiographic technician, why am a working in building full of infected, and infectious people?
I'm sure the answer would be "well, there is an economy of scale here. We can use the same billing and business staff." A stock answer but I wonder if that really is even true when weighed against the cost of cross-transmission of infectious organisms from the treatment of infected people to non-infected people in the current health care model.

Infectious disease
 

Are you proposing a hospital for infectious disease, one for heart attacks, one for car accidents? You cannot possibly be serious.

Capacity doesn’t necessarily mean the hospital is full. It also includes the hospital’s ability to serve patient’s based on the number of staff. And as we all know there is a shortage of staff and it’s only getting worse. But the media sure loves to push the panic button in those who swallow their pill.

It is so simple
 

take all the non vaxers with covid , send them to a hospital with non vaxxed staff for treatment. Take all kids whose parents do not want them to wear a mask and send them to a school where the staff are not vaxxed. Then leave us sensible folk alone to try and survive these people"s total disregard for anyone who cares about their fellow man.

Btw you can send anti vaxxers the medicals bills for spreading covid.

Then perhaps the insurance companies will finally come to their senses and decided if you are not vaxxed that you should pay a higher premium.

Throughout the country, there are some "surgical hospitals" where patients are not ill or contagious and there only for surgical procedures. My husband had his back surgery at one of these in another state. The facility was co-owned by a group of surgeons (I don't know the exact financial arrangements or whether some non-owner physicians could pay for privileges, etc.) who would generally alternate their procedures between this surgical hospital (for low-risk patients) and a more traditional hospital for surgeries on their higher-risk patients. The experience at this surgical facility was much less stressful than the usual hospital stay.

fear monger .....troll alert

Bs!!!

Not a separate facility for car accidents and heart attacks. That would be unnecessary. I'm suggesting a paradigm shift that separates infectious disease from non-infectious medical procedures. This would reduce drastically the iatrogenic source of infectious disease spread.
And yes, I'm deadly serious.
In the long run it would save lives and money.

Where exactly is the shoddy journalism, pray tell? It seems to be that the actual thing that never happened is the OP (and many others that have replied here) even bothering to READ the article. Allow me to help with a couple of quotes: "Due to COVID 19, CRMC emergency staff contacted 43 hospitals in 3 states in search of a Cardiac ICU bed and finally located one in Meridian, MS.,". And then this: "DeMonia's daughter, Raven DeMonia, told The Washington Post that it was "shocking" when the hospital told the family there were no ICU beds anywhere near Cullman, a town of about 16,000 some 50 miles north of Birmingham."

The entire article, updated 9/14/21, is here: An Alabama Man Dies After Being Turned Away From 43 Hospitals At Capacity : Coronavirus Updates : NPR