Vietnam vs Florida
 

In Vietnam, we lost 58,220 soldiers. Deaths of Floridians from COVID was recorded a week ago, at 51,240. Gov. DeSantis won the governorship by only 32,463 votes. So that's 18,777 more people have died from COVID than the number of voters he won by. Plus we're only 7,000 away from surpassing the total number of US miliarty killed in Vietnam.

Gotta love that personal choice agenda, especially when we're fighting an unseen enemy, known as COVID. Plus, I heard that a General Willey Coyote made a call to Moderna AND Pfizer, the enemy of our enemy...

Yet NY, with TWO million less people has more deaths...

Oh, and btw, the NYT says it's significantly less than your stated # @ 51K (as of 18 hrs ago...)

I don't know where you are going with this string, but if you wish to talk about Vietnam, how about counting the 60,000+ veterans that have committed suicide?
No matter how one dies, the fact is that EVERY one dies eventually. No one gets out alive. The problem in not how they died but that some should not have lived as long as they have.

Two items to consider:

1) Florida has been an open state far longer than many other states
2) Florida, on a percentage of population basis, has one of the largest for senior citizens

Looking at the rate of death (looking only at the number of cases is deceiving as it does not account for population size) involving Covid as of yesterday we see that per 100,000 people:

Mississippi: 308
New Jersey: 306
Louisiana: 288
New York: 281
Massachusetts: 267

Florida sits 10th at: 237

So then either the states with the top five highest rates states of death involving Covid were even more supportive of a personal choice agenda than Florida, or could it be that lockdowns and less personal choice are statistically NOT more effective in reducing death rates involving Covid?

Are you in perfect health?

Are you overweight?

What is your blood pressure, cholesterol numbers, sugar score?

Are you vaccinated?

Just wondering who we are talking to. I say that politics and stance on Covid vaccine do not always match.

Yeah, I don't know what his vote total has to do with anything. Or why you would use it in comparison with Covid numbers.

I'm kind of tired of those obsessed with themselves and being "safe". It's not a good look at any age but especially for seniors who have lived their lives and shouldn't be worrying about their mortality at the expense of the young. That's one of the more distasteful by-products of senior communities - the curmudgeon "get off my lawn" types who hate kids/young adults and are living in these communities to get away from them, as well as society's riff-raff. And you can include the unvaccinated in the latter category.

Not perfect, but pretty damn good...

Only 10-15 pounds...

110/70

99 (last blood test 6 weeks ago)

Never been over 90...

Yes, and I also had covid 19 months ago

Would you care to know my shoe size or anything else? :icon_wink:

And I've never mentioned my political stance... It's against the rules, which I'm sure you know...

I think what was meant, not sure, of course, was that often times those who are already in poor health from chronic illnesses get Covid, end up in the hospital and pass away. Their deaths are counted as Covid deaths even though it was most likely that the primary cause of death was due to other conditions.

I agree with the content of this post...

Hopefully people that near death would get vaccinated. The problem is healthy people get Covid, give it to other people, and move on. This should be a PUBLIC HEALTH issue and not a political issue. Get the shot unless a real doctor says you shouldn't and let government pay that doctor for that opinion.

Died from COVID or died with COVID??

Do you have any stats that show people died with COVID (whatever that means) as opposed to died from COVID?

That's the point, hospitals and states are reporting COVID deaths if they have COVID, not only if COVID caused the death.

Last April, Deborah Birx, MD, coordinator of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, said this when asked about people who have COVID-19 but die from preexisting conditions: “If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.”

That statement, combined with some state health officials saying they follow the same policy, sparked charges that the COVID-19 totals were inflated by deaths from other diseases and even auto accidents if the victims happened to have COVID-19.

Well, yeah, there was an opinion expressed when the numbers being posted were followed by the personal choice agenda comment (see below).

Vaccinated people also get Covid, give it to other people and move on...

And I never once mentioned politics...

Oh, and I had Covid 19 months ago and also was vaccinated in January/February, lest you think I'm and anti-vaxer...

Problem is, that line has been blurred since they started counting...

Prezactly...

It doesn't help with the messaging, which has been all over the place...

So, you done good making you political agenda point. Good job ������.

I understand your health is a private matter, but I'm curious about your antibodies (haha). You said you had Covid in early 2020 and then you also received the vaccine early this year. Were you tested for Abs before you had the vaccine? Just wondering how this works in the human body because there's been so much conflicting information. For instance, the CDC insists those who have had Covid should still get the vaccine. But natural immunity is probably longer-lasting than the Abs from the vaccine. Some say perhaps lifetime immunity, or near it, for a particular strain, of course.

...And, my personal experience is that the folks you mention also dislike those of us who have kept ourselves in fairly good health, by NOT engaging in UNhealthy life styles.

...And, referring to the OP's original statement, "Figures don't lie, but liar's figure". In other words don't believe MOST of what you hear, read and see.

Excellent response
 

And I am sure that in the future years professors doctors and infectious disease medical professionals will study the statistics from around the world and still not know why some places created more deaths than others. All I know is I'm vaccinated and I'm 95% effectively safe but still I do wear a mask when I go out and I avoid large crowds when I can.

To compare New York to Florida, especially NYC deifies reasoning.
You have more people crammed into one building in the city than you have in one acre in Florida.
The building I lived in had 96 apartment, that's 96 families not 96 people.
I'm surprised more than people didn't die in N.Y.

It's all about the math, 100% of the people that died of covid in Florida are dead.

As in dogs, cats, rats, or other animals???
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The density of everyday NY living unfortunately necessitates close living conditions, like apartment buildings. Ever ride the NY subway!
Of course Covid spreads more rapidly in NY

Roger that. You can take any number and twist it to any conclusion you want just like the OP did. My common sense tells me living in the Free State of Florida is a darn good thing.

Over 1300 people die every day from smoking related issues.That’s around 500,000 a year,if you don’t want the vaccine that’s ok.freedom isn’t free.

New York is still the leader!!!

Would they have died without it is the question, and most often the answer is no.

False Statement

Sorry but I have to ask. Where are they sending all the illegals? Where? Why won't they tell Americans where they have placed all these mostly untested, unvaccinated illegals?

No mandate for them. :ohdear:

So, Ben Franklin, when the Eagles play the 49ers at Lincoln Financial Field this afternoon there will be about 65,000 fans in attendance.

What's your point?

Connect your reply to the related posts................there are too many out there.
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Let’s honor our Vietnam Vets ! Not make this include someone you do not like in politics or COVID!

Covid Deaths
 

You can't believe the numbers that are published. Ex: A person was killed in a motorcycle accident, and during the autopsy, he tested positive for covid, and, then his death was listed as a covid death! This happens a lot. The hospitals get more money this way, so, be careful about throwing blame/accusations around.

What is your point? I appreciated our open state vs. losing our rights

Covid deaths this year
 

Total number of deaths for this argument is irrelevant. I would like to know the total of deaths this year since vaccinations and improved treatment has been available. Much of New York ‘s deaths were in 2020. I would bet Floridas are higher this year. And most of the south. Anyone know?

It would have been really tough for NY to keep up the pace they set last year, vaccine or no vaccine. They did just about everything they could to enhance the spread. They put positive Covid patients in nursing homes! Their numbers had to slow down, they already already picked the low hanging fruit…

Certainly if you count any death where a person is Covid positive as a Covid death you are "cooking the books" My understanding is it is much more about what comorbidly issues a person has, as you age your health declines, more issues and greater issues put you at greater risk, that explains why the very young have much less risk unless they have other health problems, to what extent should the rest of society make changes to protect me, or should I accept some level of self quarantine depending on MY level of risk? Are the vaccinations dangerous in and of themselves,, of course every thing we do has risk benefits attached even the annual flu shot and the complete picture of the risk will not be know for some time. This like everything else will be politized because human beings are political animals, its how we organize ( or disorganize) ourselves