Covid 19 Mentality
 

The protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn't protect the protected.

Fun question:

If you get COVID what are the chances that you will be hospitalized?

A. 85-100%
B. 70 - 84%
C. 55 - 69%
D. 40 - 54%
E. 25 - 40%
F. 10 - 25%
G. 3 - 9%
H. 0- 2.99%


It's H, less than 3%

Depends on which lie you believe. So many agendas.

But is 3% a small number that should make you feel safe?

A 3% difference in gas prices would make me drive to the next station. A 3% increase in taxes would make me quite unhappy. A 3% increase in social security payment is about double what it has been likely. A 3% chance of being in a car crash would keep me off a busy highway. A 3% chance that a bridge might fail would have me finding a different way around.

A 3% chance of winning the lottery is something I would run towards; a 3% chance of being hospitalized and possibly dying is something I would run away from.

You cannot run from father time

[QUOTE=Supalupa;2006247]The protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn't protect the protected.[/QUOA.


A first time poster.

If you are new to The Villages and looking for a place to be vaccinated I noted a sign in the reception room at The Villages Health near Lake Sumter Landing that Covid Vaccinations were being given there.

A very high percentage of people who live in The Villages are vaccinated. I would guess that is true because of the very high risk of death from Covid to people over 65. Most people who have died from Covid are older.

If you have come to argue against vaccination, most of us who read this are opposed to that argument.

It is a very unpopular argument overall.

I find it sad and wrong that people are being forced to get vaccinated now. People should see that it is to their best interest if they are older. And it is to the general best interest of all mankind to be vaccinated.

I guess it's acceptable as long as it isn't me or my family
Ivermectin And bleach for all but if rather take the Vaccine and wear a mask.

Is the percentage taking into consideration the subject's physical condition? I have known over a dozen relatives that have had Covid and survived with NO hospital time, a couple even having Covid twice.
I think that the first worry would be, "what are the chances of you being around someone that is infected."

Here's a list of considerations:
1. Chances of you being near enough to someone infected.
2. Are you vaccinated?
3. Are you near enough to someone that is contagious for sufficient time to become infected?
4. Are you wearing any kind of protection?
5. Do you keep your hands away from your face?
6. If infected, do you have any symptoms?
7. If infected and have symptoms, are you ill enough to warrant a visit to the hospital?
8. If hospitalized, what is the survival rate?

I have never had the Flu. Does that mean that I am immune to the Flu or that I have just not been around anyone with the Flu. The answer is that I HAVE been around folks that had the flu and have not been infected. Or, perhaps I have been infected and not shown symptoms? I have also walked down many streets and never been struck by an auto. I have flown in many planes and never an accident. I driven at speeds in excess of a 100mph and never a speed related accident. I have been shot at and missed.
All that. Does it make me Lucky or Blessed?
I believe in doing what I believe allows me to live my life with the least amount of worry. I vaccinated mainly to protect my spouse from me, in case my luck or blessings expired. If I achieved the added protection, great. In my opinion, I am responsible for myself and my family, not the rest of the world. As long as I am not infected with a contagious illness, everyone else is not my responsibility. It is not my obligation to protect others from themselves or from someone else.
Just a suggestion; do what you feel is right for you regarding the virus, not what others demand you do. Mass hysteria is a mental issue, and has no physical substance. Don't let that hysteria/panic rule your life. If you do, then you can only blame yourself. No one else cares more about you than themselves.

This is your first post. Is it a plant to engender an argument?

So very unfortunate the issue of vaccination has been hijacked from a national health issue, down to an organizational allegiance.

Brand new? They joined TOTV almost 2 years ago...

Not everyone is as chatty as others...

And please, you only speak for yourself, not "most of us"...

Your numbers are incorrect...

PolitiFact | Why the COVID-19 survival rate is not over 99%

You assumption is not correct. It is wrong.

The vaccination does protect you. It is not perfect, nothing is perfect. The hospitals all over the country at experiencing massive admissions of people who die, and most (all most all) of them are unvaccinated. If your comment were accurate there should be similar number of both vaccinated and unvaccinated being admitted, and/or dying.

Imagine if everyone stopped trying to argue and spent all that passion on working together.

But it is only a very small fraction of the 3% that are vaccinated so why should I have to wear a mask and bow to your non-science based desires? Let those that are at risk from me, as someone who has followed all the rules and desires of the politicians, protect themselves. I've done my job, I refuse to do yours.

According to this article you just linked;

70+ years, 94.6%

So that would be six out of a hundred.

For people over 85 the number leaps to 15%

You are less than 65 years old if I remember correctly. No need to worry.

I was wrong in saying one out of ten. That is not accurate.

Looking back, do you think you have learned anything important in the last twenty years?

So have I.

Sumter county has the highest percentage of vaccinated people in Florida. There is no valid way to assess The Villages....other than "feel".

Most of us in Sumter County do not oppose vaccination. How is that?

Sumter County, FL COVID-19 Vaccine Tracker | theadvertiser.com

Please note the deaths by age as compared to the cases:

I see people with thousands of posts plant threads designed to engender arguments.

I've been vaccinated, yet I oppose vaccine mandates... How's that?

Are you opposed to ALL vaccination mandates, or just COVID?

Thank you for agreeing with me... Yes, you were wrong. That was the entire point of my post. And actually, it's closer to 5% than 6%...

People under 65 have no need to worry? Interesting...

Looking back, I've learned that waaaay too many people rely on emotion to vmake life altering decisions...

Pretty much... Which is not to say I oppose vaccines... All of my children were vaccinated, including the new Guardisil once they hit HS, and the Meningitis vaccine before going off to college, after discussing the pros/cons with our pediatrician...

I just had my flu shot yesterday. I've had both types of Shingles vaccines (the original one and the 2 part Shingrex)...

Any other questions?

ooops, duplicate

You absolutely 100% correct considering this is probably the 100th thread just like it. An obvious troll. Likely a current member under another name with an agenda. His/her first post after 2 years. So much of this here. Must be ratings season.

I was simply interested in clarification. Since MANY here have had all the "normal" childhood vaccinations, and got their children vaccinated when told to ignorer to get them into school, and yet, are adamantly opposed to COVID. I don't really care why, they certainly have a right to oppose COVID mandates, just wanted clarification on you position.

Thank you.

I feel like I'm being accused of something and asked to defend a position I never took in the first place.

3% is not a small number when it comes to the chance of dying. That is what I meant to say and that is what I stand by.

It's my understanding the vaccine is most effective against Covid-19, but will not protect you from getting the Delta Variant. It can only lesson the symptoms of the DV.
I know of two people locally that died from this crap within the past two weeks. I'm taking my chances with the vaccine and a KN95 mask. I don't care what "facts" people know. I do my own research and so far, so good.

Why in the world would this matter to anyone? First post or ten thousandth post? Does amount of posts give one seniority on this forum in regards to importance of posting?

I so agree with what you said.

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I agree with you, except the vaccinations are effective at preventing Delta, just not as effective as they were against the original variant they were designed to fight.

Studies around the world show a lot of variation in effectiveness against Delta ranging from 60% to 90%. But, even 60% is better than nothing.

I'll bet the OP thought that was quite clever:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

It does have a nice if not ironic ring to it. I have heard it put in similar words. The lack of sense in the statement makes sense. :icon_wink:

Yep.

I’m not getting a shot meant for depopulation.
COVID isn’t that frightening.

Do you know something that the rest of us haven't heard regarding the vaccination?
Don't you know that if you get the vaccination, you won't die of Covid. Of course, if you don't catch it, you wont' die of it either.... :a20:

My pleasure...

Obviously it does matter to some when people post hit & run troll posts just to obviously create hundreds of posts that have been repeated over and over 100's of times in virtually identical topics. Nothing whatsoever to do with seniority because "senior" members do so as well. Just the common way things happen on internet forums. Sometimes it's just to generate forum traffic just for advertising purposes and sometimes just to create (another) stir on a topic one knows is highly divisive. Why does that suggestion bother you? ;) Having run BBS's and moderated and run forums since the days of dial-up modems (including one of the first the US in from 1981 to ~199? using Forum-80 and later TBBS software) that is my opinion. Sorry you disagree. Wish I had access to the IP logs as I am sure many surprises would be found.


Bottom line, it is just pretty obvious.

Hell, regulars do the same damn thing...

Absolutely, but that doesn't have any bearing on this topic and poster which is what the discussion is. Most notably s/he made a troll post, created LOTS of messages (and forum traffic) and has yet to make a reply despite logging on 1hr after s/he created this thread yesterday and then again today at 4:30AM and has yet to post a follow-up to this obvious troll post (which I'd bet will suddenly happen now).

Not saying people are being paid here but it would be naive to think these types of posts are truly some person who suddenly decides drop a bomb after 2-6 years of never posting. There are services that pay people to just do this on ad supported forums to generate traffic just as there are now hundreds of services to provide "likes" and "followers" on various social media and bribes to post fake reviews both good and bad on many web review sites. If you watch/look at this forum it has had dozens of other threads from other first time posters from people who have joined the forum coincidentally all in 2016 and 2017 and suddenly drop in with a first time hit and run bomb post never to be seen again or until the next run.

Believe what you wish but if it looks like a fish and smells like a fish it's generally fishy. As I said, I wish I had access to the IP logs and user logs.