And the TESLA Cybertruck slowly disappears
 

Tesla removes Cybertruck specs and prices from its website - Electrek

how you slowly get musked by a market manipulator. . . . .
the latest quarterly investors meeting pushed the delivery date out another year

just another announcement which will never happen. . .

Good now I can save for ““Lamborghini Getting Into $3 Billion Golf Cart Market”

Someone really needs to get over their Elon Musk obsession.. :1rotfl:

Perhaps a little Tesla schadenfreude?

Cybertruck Page GOES DARK on Prices & Configurations - YouTube

It is definitely Jacked Up the way they do business but like so many times on our forum, we have jumped to conclusion's let's give them a minute to see what really happens. I think good news is coming not anything bad. Time will tell.

Maybe time for a new Avatar! :1rotfl::1rotfl:

Yes, it's a serious affliction known as Musk envy. So far, no pills have been invented to cure it.

Never doubt Elon he has consistently proved all his doubters wrong since the beginning!!

Coach you must work for Ford , GM , Volkswagen??? Your on a mission to slam Tesla all the time? What gives?

The cyber truck will come and dominate the market just like all the Tesla models!!

Does anyone own Tesla stock??

I like Teslas but I think the game changer in the truck world will be the electric F150 coming soon

So you buy an electric F150 and take it to your job site. How long of an extension cord is needed to get to a charging station?

I agree I like that truck (F-150) another long wait but after the first 50,000 roll off the assembly line and they work out all the bugs it’s on our radar

10ft just like the other EVs

They come with a generator if you get stuck. Plus, like 90% of current 150s they will be for pleasure not work

That $4.9 BILLION in federal support kinda guarantees success doesn't it

Musk defends receiving $4.9 billion in government support for Tesla, SolarCity and SpaceX — RT USA News

Hopefully. It is money well spent IMO. Keep America on the leading edge of technology

Will someone propose a wager?

I bet that the Cybertruck will still be built.

Wanna bet a couple of Maine Lobsters?

I know you’ll win that bet they just dropped billions on the plant in Texas just to build the truck .With over a million pre orders!!
If it wasn’t so big I would consider it but it’s a beast.

No, it keeps Musk's wallet well filled.

You are linking a story written in 2015 by website well known for a particular political agenda, which doesn't make it wrong.

So if you want Putin's input on a topic, RT news is your website.

Maybe if you want to trash Musk, at least find a more recent record of his benefits received and value created. And maybe a source that is not Putin propaganda

On top of that you even got what the RT story says wrong. Your claim that he got 4.9 billion in Federal benefits is NOT what the story reports. The overwhelming number of tax breaks came from state and local governments. Putin source, and mislead on what was said.

He’s broke
All his money is in stock and he lives in a shoebox on-site

Did you follow the link to the Los Angeles Times in the RT article where the story was originated? No you didn't, you were only trying to make it sound like a Putin generated fake news. :ohdear:

What difference does it make if it is federal, state or local tax money????? It's still $4.9 Billion.

Added: After more thought on this topic. What difference does it make if the article is from 2015, does it make it less truthful? That $4.9 Billion was worth a lot more then than now.
The government should not be giving tax money to private businesses. If it takes public money subsidies for a business to succeed then they have a failed business plan.

Do you really think the can compete with Ford lightning. Other than look at me I got Tesla truck.

Wow, never saw a picture of the Cybertruck. That is one strange looking thing. It certainly does not look anything like a pickup truck. No one will ever catch me driving one of those things.

Musk
 

Has learned well from Microsoft and PT Barnum to over promise and under deliver until such time as he decides to actually manufacture. No car or truck by an American manufacturer has taken less than four or five years to actually get out of the plant. Even the Japanese take at least 3 years. And somehow I think it's always 10 or 50% more than what they promise. The model 3 has gone up significantly in price and musk is promising a $25,000 car which will probably be $35,000 by the time they start producing

Here's an interesting article I copied from FB. Probably not a lot of truth in it. BUTTT, something to think about:

REALITY CHECK: At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro Executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious "If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, you have to face certain realities."
"For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded. This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load."
So, as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This later "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this deadend road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.
Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine." Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.
It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip, your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.
According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity.
I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 Mpg = $0.10 per mile.
The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs $46,000 plus. So, the Government wants us to pay twice as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run and takes three times longer to drive across the country.
WAKE UP NORTH AMERICA!!!!!!!

:popcorn::popcorn:

You charge a Tesla on a circuit with between 15 amps at 120V and 50 amp or 60 amps at 240V at home. The higher the amperage the faster the charging. You can choose to charge at a lower amperage if you want to from the touch screen control in the car. The statement that 75 amps is required is simply not true. Regarding the cost of charging, electricity is approximately 13 cents per kWh here, at home. It is approximately 24 cents per kWh at a Tesla supercharger, varies by location. The cost for electricity that you quoted is not representative of anywhere I know. The highest electricity rates in the US are in Hawaii at about 27 cents per kWh. Regarding the Chevy Volt, you do not have to charge it if you elect not to. You can simply choose to run on gas all the time and you would choose to do so on a road trip so there would not be any charging time.

Buy an electric car or don’t, nobody cares. But please don’t make up stuff or repost stuff that is either not true or grossly misleading/not representative.

Tesla, like other companies, is having supply shortages due to COVID-19. There simply is not enough supply of chips and other parts to expand their product line now. Cybertruck is not going away—it is just on hold.

But let’s not miss a chance to bash Musk and his companies. The fossil-fuel industry thanks you.

I agree with you. The EV F150 will be the real game changer for the pickup truck world. You will see the Tesla trucks buzzing around Austin and Silicon Valley

I think it’s the other way around there’s only 130,000 f150s on reserve/preordered and 1.3 million cyber trucks reserved/ preordered that’s a 10x difference. Granted you only put a small deposit down and it’s refunded if you change your mind (at least for Tesla, not sure about Ford ) . And Tesla has been making EVs for about 10years and is the world leader in ev . Ford has a lot of catching up to do and a lot of hurdles to clear . I like both companies and lean more towards a f150 way down the road. I’m happy all these ice vehicles will stop being made one day (way down the road) and driving a ev is a dream .
Jim Farley is great and a visionary but light years behind Elon

I own a Tesla and no problems with charging. Anyway, the Volt is no longer being made. I own a Prius which gets over 50 miles to the gallon, my third Prius. Tried to get a plug in but cannot find them. That kind of car, runs on electric with gas back up is the best for the transition of ice to electric and cannot understand why, at least with the Prius, they do not make more of them.

I plunked down $100 to simply show my encouragement for the idea of an electric truck. I am a little surprised how Tesla will not be the segment leader. I'm also doubtful they will ever produce the Class 8 Big Rig they've promised. My employer is one of the few companies that placed a sizeable pre-order for these trucks. A truck such as this works well for local, in-town work, but longer hauls on pure battery power aren't realistic.

As for the Tesla Cyber truck, I had my doubts this was a serious final product design. I do expect a refresh that will be more in line with realistic consumers' expectations.

Toyota doesn’t make more of them because the sales of the Prius have been declining for 5 or 6 years. The hybrid RAV4 outsells it. There is more demand for small SUVs.

And again you are wrong. I did read the LA Times article which is where many of the details of the locales which granted the breaks are detailed.

As to your 'further thought'. It makes a difference whether the federal or state/local governments supplied the breaks because there is a recurring theme in certain people that the Federal govt is evil and while local government is of the people. So when you bash a program stating the Federal govt did it, I see exactly that mindset. I also happen to believe you should state facts, real facts, not wrong information. Such an approach may not be fashionable to some in recent years.

I eagerly await your posting about how it is wrong for the govt to support private businesses giving figures for how much the oil and gas industry has received over the years in both tax credits, investment credits, nearly free access to public land, discounted drilling rights... Oil and gas got over 5 Trillion, with a T worldwide in 2015 Or even how much local govt in Sumter county has spent supporting the Morse family in their business expansions. Or how much the state of Wisconsin spent to entice a Chinese company to move there, with a big political boost from he who shall not be named. Or the nearly 9 billion given Boeing just by the state of Washington

Here is a list of the top 99 companies receiving subsidies. The list includes many who apparently, in your words, have a failed business plan, like Ford, GM. Toyota, Nike, every major gas company, Disney, Intel, IBM and don't forget Koch industries

Teslas in Florida run on natural gas and coal.

First isn't always best in the long run. You have to keep supporting all your mistakes, while the late starters take advantage of the good and skip the bad. But, you could very well be right. I just think the looks of the Tesla truck are too much for pickup truck people in general, but they may tone it down as it gets closer to reality.
It is a fun time to be watching a revolution like this. Lots of people in denial, but I don't think it's stoppable. Personally I was rooting for the hydrogen fuel cell approach, but that seems to have disappeared

And some nuclear and some renewables. But, as I have explained to you in the past, the energy used per mile is typically about 3x less with electrics than gas cars. Power plants convert natural gas and coal to electricity much more efficiently than gas cars use gasoline when you consider the amount of energy used per mile.

Fuel cells are not gone. There are a couple of fuel cell cars that are available, only in CA I believe. It is likely that it will stay a niche market because of the lack of refueling infrastructure and the cost of building infrastructure for distributing hydrogen. It is probably best for trucks, busses, or other vehicles that come back to a central facility each day that can provide refueling.

The Model Y started deliveries about 6 months ahead of their announced schedule. Other Models have been delayed. Manufacturing at scale is difficult and not all plans stay on schedule. Please tell us about your inside information that led you to conclude their next car will be $35K instead of $25K.

There have been a lot of people who have lost a lot of money, and are pretty vocal & irate about it, trying to constantly bet against Musk. Fortunately for myself (and many others), in the last number of years I've been on the other side. Given that the F-150 has been the #1 selling model for oodles of years now, I certainly am not betting against Elon this time either, in being able to gain significant market share with this truck (should he choose to build it).

Get in Thouch with current forces...
 

I've been searching for a New backup car for a while. Learned some stuff about cars/trucks and future plans.

1. You'll be hard pressed to find a $25K car with 32mpg. When you go to a dealer, the website price and reality are wide apart. I'm used to hagelling Dealer add ons, Value added crap. Jenkens of Leesburg as a line Item called: Market adjustment. $3K A $1K charge for window tinting and exterior sealent with Lifetime warranty. I think that what the Factory calls ClearCoat. Ah... just be honest and call it all Profit.

2. Used cars. $20k for a 4 to 5 year old car with 60 to 70K mies and out of factory warranty.

3. Trucks... forget about it. The new Ford Maverick sports 40mpg. Oh wait.... they're having some issues with the Fed cause no test truck has reached that yet. Ads say, $19.9k No ff-ing way you're out the door under $24K before taxes, License, Fleas.

Hyuindai announced they are taking Chips in house. Don't blame the Chinese. They import most of their auto chips (made cheaper elsewhere). Their auto production is also hurting.

No dealer to dealer transfer deals. That's where the dealer you're talking to doesn't have the car on the lot but says you can get it by next Friday... for a Fee. All inventories are short.

Other stuff. Ford is out of the "car" market, except the E-Mustang. Announced two all Electric factories. Tennessee and Kentucky. Nothing but E-Mustang/trucks/Suvs.

Hyundai announced 22 new models by 2024. All Electric, no hybrids (gas motor). 21 of them SUVs. They have an E-truck on the market now. Santa Cruz. Over priced, for me, and still short legs (distance).

Charge time will be shortened by higher amped charges. Mostly found on the Interstate/higways, big box stores. I agree with the home amp limits. Something has a change for fast charging at home.

I also put down $1K deposit for the tesla Model 3 when announed around $30k. Debuted North of $40k. Depost returned.

Similar to TVs. Everytime the model I'm looking at comes close to my budget, the "standard" changes and prices remain the same or increase.

Reality.

Carl