Mulberry Cody’s
 

Looks like Ford’s backed out, now after doing some work on the place the Back Porch has backed out. Driving by yesterday noticed Villages for sale signs in the windows. Too bad we were looking forward to someone moving in. Guess the Villages rent and conditions are too much.

They don’t seem very bothersome by the rent they pay at Blue Fin maybe there are other reasons for not going in at that spot , there are also a lot of successful long and short term business here that are thriving , i unlike many here are not privy to the high rents and choking regulations that all these businesses deal with here but I guess some manage to survive even under the crushing thumb of evil Morse family

The food service industry is currently in peril. Skyrocketing food prices and a serious shortage of workers willing to work at wages that allow owners to make a profit. Couple that with their customers budgets being squeezed by troublesome inflation and a pandemic induced reduction in volume, and many businesses are hanging on by the skin of their teeth. Given that backdrop, it would not be advisable to open up a new restaurant during these times.

I’m recent months this been more then a few new ones here and more coming online yes it’s been tough time but there is plenty of disposable income here ,business for restaurants is very good most places and I’m out most nights as are many of my friends and places are crowded, legacy was packed last night

Evil Morse family! Really. The Villages is without exception the most successful retirement community anywhere. Many many businesses have been and continue to be successful. If you’re not “privy” to the rents and regulations how is it you can legitimately call them “choking”. I have seen many businesses come and go over my 15+ years here and most that have failed were due to poor management or just a bad business plan. Some have been lost to Covid as have many others nationwide, but in my humble opinion the captive audience The Villages provides offers many unique business opportunities that command a higher rent structure than in surrounding communities. I love their “evil crushing thumb” community.

Did you read the op post and my reply was sarcasm , I don’t know how you could read my post and not know that

And I have been here longer then you with 6 different homes from spring dale to Fenny with no complaints about the Villages

Maybe that’s why there lots of empty lots and building’s in villages.

That could be good thing or bad thing. :)

I see you didn’t get it either , I’m going to have to stop using humor or sarcasm to answer ( see op first post see my second post) or so I won’t have to go back and explain or I could just put a warning over the top to say please this is humor or sarcasm go pats

First off, The villages has expanded continuously for about 30 years so of course there's got to be some empty stores until somebody comes in. But I do know personally of retailers I do know what they pay in base rent and as a percentages. Which of course is crazy for Florida but not compared to New York on any main thoroughfare in the city. However what is crazy is someone being a nut and trying to open up a restaurant which has about a 90% failure rate in the US. And what most don't understand about the villages is that for four to six months out of the year you have 50% less potential customers and that is where many places fail in their business plan and not being able to cover what's called the "nut" . Same goes for Leesburg downtown restaurants that have failed continuously for 20 plus years. And yet some do survive and provide decent service and good food, but I have never seen the trifecta of failure of inflation, lack of workers, and people not wanting to come to your place due to covid and lack of insights outside seating space. And yet the lemmings continue to go sit next to each other with the possibilities of infection and lack of masks. Yes we do go out but I've always tried to sit against the wall and away from people but as I've said elsewhere my cooking is much better than most restaurants for many things that I can do. Stay safe and be well to all

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com View Post
And I have been here longer then you with 6 different homes from spring dale to Fenny with no complaints about the Villages




Like a dog going around in circles, he's still trying to find that spot to lay down in.
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a Medical Marijuana Dispensary could be going in !

Does anybody know what rents go for in the squares? And I'm sure it varies by location but what about the percentage on top of the rent? Are we talking like 1% or 10% of the gross?

As the the developer....personally, if I went to all of the trouble to build out a place like this I sure as heck wouldn't be giving away the prime retail space. It's just like housing....if you don't feel like you are getting a good deal then you are free to give your money to somebody else for a home somewhere else. It is somewhat expensive to live here.....and worth it!

Joe

With the inflation houses up here in SS are selling quick.
Three just recently in my hood. All sold in one day..... Why?
A lot of the original SS settlers are older and want to move back to family for several reasons. Inflation was not on their radar.

Sarcasm
 

Sarcasm guys! I’m a TV lover and found it humorous.

Ford's did not back out - they were never in the picture. That was a rumor, confirmed by Ford's themselves.

I'm not sure that The Back Porch has backed out - the signs in the windows still say "Coming soon The Back Porch" - no for sale signs that I saw yesterday when I walked past. My understanding is that they are having issues getting contractors to finish the interior.

You’re not privy to rents and “choking” regulations yet still comment on crushing thumb of Morse family?

When some posts always hammer how high the rents are and how crushing the developer is......

it is usually urban legend or hammer the developer hear say.

The rent in TV is on a par with most retail space in most shopping centers.

Every tenant is well aware of the lease costs before and after they sign their lease. The lease spells out everything expected. No crushing thumb on anybody.

When a business fails or does not renew their lease (usually 5 year increments) the excuse offered is the rent was too high....easiest to say and saves embarrassment of the real reason for the failure.

Those of us who live nearby are very disappointed by this news. I hope something good goes in there and soon. I have visions of stores going in instead of a restaurant and that would be impactful to our community.

Maybe the persistent lack of employable people contributes to the "experienced" operator that has a standard of service they are unwilling to compromise.

To me it is unacceptable to keep hearing we are short handed or we don't have enough servers, et al.

The better establishments will not over book and or will step up and pay what it takes to maintain the expected level of product/service.

And some may decline to open a business in such an environment!?

Judge much? You have started on the slippery-slope to giving away your freedoms, enjoy the ride and don't complain about the result you achieve.

Unfortunately, the lemmings argument can be said about the people who DID get the shot. Anyone, inoculated or not can get and die of covid.

I just went past the Mulberry Cody's yesterday, and there are no "For Sale" signs up - still the "Coming Soon The Back Porch" signs in every window. It's coming folks - they are having issues with contractor availability.

I believe that I saw somewhere, the the people with the Back Porch are always slated to be involved with the new Sawgrass Pavilion that is still under construction.

please read the op first post and then read my second post , sarcasm and humor or lost on here

Businesses especially restaurants, have to be nuts in this economy and marketplace to start anything right now this is probably the worst situation we've had since the depression high wages, high cost of raw food materials and very low supply of labor, not only that but if you want to build out a new restaurant it might take you one or two years if you can't get the right people to do it for you.

Back Porch
 

Just went on The Villages Gourmet Club website and it is showing Back Porch coming soon to the Mulberry location where Cody's was located. Are they wrong or misinformed?

Yes Please bring on the humor, this world doesn't have enough.

The hell with those old goats complaining about sarcasm sitting
on their computers completely naked.

No!
 

No, don't change. Don't add warnings. Some of us get humor, sarcasm, double entendre, etc. (Most of the time), and we can laugh at the humor and the ones that don't get it. And if I am the one that doesn't get the gag, then you can laugh at me.
Fair enough, Charlie's?

Your right why should I explain to people who don’t get some of my posts which I have done in the past, if you don’t get it why should I care

Face it. Nobody gets out of this world alive.

I doubt it very much. The club seems to have information before it's announced. The exact date for the grand opening may be up in the air but I'll bet a dollar to a donut the Back Porch is coming.

Skip

Look around plenty of empty commercial building in land of Morse.

Right, Why do we care what you post. But, maybe the majority don’t agree?

Not true. Look at all those astronauts going and coming from the ISS. :icon_wink:

Skip

I absolutely don’t know what your talking about

Evil Morse family Kind of harsh
 

This is still america and until the folks who hate free enterprise take over, it’s not a crime to make money. I think the family is brilliant they figured out how to make money, create jobs, and make a clean safe environment to live in , I grew up in cleveland where personal crime was a regular thing I love it here, if you don’t like the Morse family move,Better yet move to my old cleveland address. This place is not to big it’s only as big as your neighborhood ( village) I live in the north Marion county, I have almost never gone south of 44 and I seldom go south of 466a, so the size of the place is of no concern to me

Well
 

the Villages Gourmet Club website still shows coming soon for The Back Porch at the former Cody's was located.

Sounds like you aren’t happy wherever you live