Alec Baldwin in lose/lose situation!
 

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Sounds like an episode from Perry Mason, exact same scenario.

I had no use for him since "The Hunt for Red October"

I don't care for him but if you ask me I don't think he had any bad in his heart when he shot the gun. Temper or not, I don't think he's guilty.

What a shame for the lady who was killed and her family. I feel awful for them.

He has no blame in this as he does not supply the equipment used on the film set. Time will tell if some ******* tried to sabotage the film being made by putting live rounds in the guns used while filming. They shut down other movies being made in the same vicinity.

Why were non-actors shot? Why was he pointing a gun at a non-actor and pulling the trigger? Even the blanks will have some report for which you would not want to point it at someone.

Maybe not....he was the producer for the film AND the union folks walked of the set that same morning citing safety concerns...he could have a whole lot of responsibility in this besides just pulling the trigger.

Replacement worker was in charge of Alec Baldwin's deadly prop gun

The same exact thing happened to Brandon Lee back in the 90’s. Nobody tried to sabotage anything. There’s a strict protocol for guns. Only one person can handle guns. They must show the 1st AD each chamber to show it’s a cold gun. NOBODY can just grab a gun of a prop cart and hand it to an actor. Therein lies the problem. Rules weren’t followed. Alec Baldwin, like him or not, had nothing to do with this other than he had the gun. The union crew members were not happy with production on this show and had complained to producers, then walked off the set at which point the movie hired non union crew members to replace them. There were 3 accidental discharges on that set. That’s UNHEARD OF.

He won’t it’ll be the line producer or UPM. But in the end, nobody will be charged with anything because that’s how this business works. You think this is the only death? You’re seeing it because an actor was involved. You don’t see the other issues that happen on sets due to lack of safety.

He was told the gun was cold. He shot the DP who was operating the camera most likely since her crew walked out on her. And the director was standing behind her as they often do.

Someone dropped the ball on this one. He is sincerely remorseful and truly broken-hearted. At age 68, it may be a very long time, if at all, before we see him again.

Prop gun in Alec Baldwin accidental movie set shooting had live rounds, police say | Reuters

This has more information from what is a trusted source.

Never again would be fine with a lot of us

That’s two thumbs up from my deplorable viewpoint

Lee was shot with a real bullet. Same thing?

Crew member yelled 'cold gun' as he handed Alec Baldwin prop weapon, court document shows - CNN

The kind of hate being aimed at Alec Baldwin from certain "news" providers and trolls on various other sources will only strengthen how others support him. It will be up to him if he comes back to the entertainment industry.

Regardless of who's to blame, why would you have live rounds anywhere near a movie set?

Don’t like the man at all

My son is in the film biz. He said some shots are aimed at the camera so it looks like the actor is shooting into the audience❗️She was behind the camera and the director was probably right beside her watching the work she was doing. Son said there absolutely should have been a plexiglass shield in front of the camera before Baldwin shot at the camera. My son is a first assistant director in the Director’s Union and has been trained in weapons and safety. He spoke to some other first assistant directors in LA and the consensus is that a lot of this tragedy is because to cut costs a “local” crew instead of a highly trained union crew was hired/employed. Son said first assistant director on Rust will probably never work in the film industry again.

This was not the first time this happened!
 

Brandon Lee,
Jon-Erik Hexum from TV show Cover Up back in the 70s and now Alex Baldwin. And many more we've not heard about. It's very stressful filming a movie and you put your trust in the people who are responsible for all the props and equipment. Whether you're all a fan or not of any above mentioned, accidents do happen. Sadly it took lives. In my opinion, yes, my opinion, I think all the above mentioned were setup, but that's for the investigators to figure out. Whether I'm a lefty or righty, I'm a big fan of Alex Baldwin as was for all the above mentioned.

Years ago an actor on a popular TV series put his prop gun to his head as a joke and pulled the trigger and died. Blanks can kill too.

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AB = good actor, enjoyed him in many of his roles.
AB = have NO use for him as a person, his political diatribes and treatment of his daughter and patriotic folks

The injured and killed by him = so very sad for them and their families.

Lawyers = will be very very busy on this one, both sides.

AB = as a Producer on the film - liable, perhaps personally for the actions. Apparently all Union personnel, incl the Firearms experts, walked off the set hours before noting bad working conditions. But, apparently some of the non-union crew continued working when the incident happened. Including those killed and injured.

AB = Past horrid tweets come back to haunt him now... what goes around...
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Ditto!

This is neither Alex Baldwin's fault as an actor or that of the fire arm it self.
Most film sets run at the very least 60 hour weeks, most of the time it's more.
They have a 10 hour turn arounds which means you could start at 6am work until 8pm which is a normal and you have to be back on set at 6am to do it all over again. Don't forget that means driving home, taking a shower and maybe eating something. On typical short movie this goes on for 12 weeks.

Accidents happen all the time, the crews are young and the equipment rental is usually more expensive than the crew.
I was on a job one night when a kid fell 5 flight down an air shaft of an old tenement building, lucky for him there was ton of trash at the bottom and he survived.
They called the an ambulance and the fire department had to get him out, while this was going on we broke for lunch and when we got back we went right back up and started shooting.

Another job the star of the show was all wired up to appear as he was being shot multiple times before he was completely rigged they all went off and burned his chest.

This is what happens when the most important thing is time and money, safety takes a back seat.
Most high price talent are driven to the set, have a camper, are call to the set to do their scenes and even if they put in a long day it's not usually everyday. That why I'm saying as an actor it's not Baldwin's fault, as a producer it maybe something else.
Though a lot of actors who get credit for being producer are usually in name only, most of the time it's a financial arrangement.
Movies are show business with the emphasis on business

Negligence
 

Anyone who is "handed a gun" and then chooses to fire it without checking to see if it is loaded and what it is loaded with is guilty of negligence. Anyone who fires a gun is responsible for every projectile that comes from the gun.

Respectfully, I don't understand the assertion that Baldwin did nothing wrong. He didn't check the gun. If he shoots it, it's on him.

Tragic, and this incident is far from over.

Movie sets are supposed to have qualified armorers on hand, and only the armorer is allowed to handle and load prop guns. Additionally, there is to be NO live ammunition anywhere on the sets. For live rounds to wind up in a prop gun, they had to be placed there by someone. This goes beyond "oops."

Violation of basic safety protocol? Certainly. Negligent homicide? Perhaps. Intentional murder? Possibly. We'll see just how far the local law enforcement agencies take this. Even if this was "just" a horrible accident, a manslaughter charge is not beyond the realm of possibility.

He has full responsibility. He was a controlling executive on the movie and HE had the gun last. He had a personal and professional responsibility to check the status of the weapon he recklessly fired directly at the victim.

Promise?

He is 100% responsible as he failed basic firearms safety by not checking for live rounds in the gun. He pulled the trigger at least twice. What an idiot! But we all knew that.

REVEALED: Alec Baldwin'''s old tweets reveal ignorance, cruelty regarding guns and gun safety | The Post Millennial

I agree, Woodbear: I have been trained that you never ever point a gun, loaded or unloaded, at another human being unless your intent is to kill that person. I don't like Baldwin. I'm not saying he intentionally killed anyone but he should never have pointed the gun at another person, period. And then to pull the trigger? I'm guessing he was being very careless and remarkably stupid.

I agree with this post 100%. Especially the last sentence.

According to a crew member, there were 3 previous accidental discharges of live bullets on the set. Baldwin may have some culpability as producer and also because he did not follow the cardinal rule of weapons. "Treat every gun as if it is loaded"

Unbelievable that a few days earlier prop guns fired live bullets and that someone would just trust that the gun was safe.

Alec Baldwin '''Rust''' camera crew walked off before shooting - Los Angeles Times

I'm have no opinion on Baldwin one way or the other. I was in the business for 40 years, everything is rush, rush, rush and then some more rush. Everyone has a job to do and hopefully they are proficient at what they do, enough so you can rely on them. To blame Baldwin for not checking to see if the weapon had a blank or was load is unfair, he probably would not know the difference.

I was once told by a very famous actor when you can't do anything in life you become an actor and if you can't make it as an actor you become a politician. I might not agree with that but it was a funny line.

Exactly

If I was on a set where live rounds had been fired by accident days earlier, I would surely check the weapon.

9mm blanks:

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9mm bullets:

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Again Baldwin is an actor, the only thing he probably knows is how to point and pull the trigger.
If you showed him the 2 displays he probably would think one was a lipstick and the other a suppositorie.

Alec Baldwin was told gun was "cold" before fatal movie set shooting, court records show - CBS News

Some actors were in the military and have been around guns a lot and some hunt and some probably have very large gun collections.

Have no idea about Alec Baldwin though. There seem to be a lot of gross generalizations going around.

Alec Baldwin shooting: what we know so far - France 24

I wonder how Alec would do as a con within the infamous NM State Penitentiary which ironically is not far from where he shot two people. Penitentiary of New Mexico | NM Corrections Department

Given the comments on this thread and the Brian Laundrie one, the courts should draw all jurors from TOTV.
Probably whip through a dozen trials a day, saving court time and money, and solve a few outstanding murders on the way home.
Who needs evidence?

Years ago, I took my car in for its usual tune up and tire rotation, when it was done, they handed me the keys and told me it was out in the lot. I drove the car maybe 1,000 yards off the lot and had to pull over, there was a terrible sound of grinding metal. I turned around to took in back into the dealer. It seems that when they rotated the tires the mechanic did not tighten the lug nuts on one of the wheels. It took over a month to repair the damage it caused. This could have cause injury to me or someone else. Even though I have changed many tires in my life, when a professional tells me my car is ready to go, I don’t pop the hood and check the tires. Even though we are talking about a firearm you have to understand he was relying on someone he believed to be a professional.