Rittenhouse Trial
 

How to pis* off a judge and lose your case.

Quite entertaining yesterday.

I've got some popcorn and ready for today.

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That crying thing works better for a woman.

Was reading report on BBC this morning.
Sounds very interesting.
What channel is showing it live please?

Kyle Rittenhouse trial: Defense plans to call several more witnesses after his crucial testimony - CNN

I saw some of it on CNN. It has been on there a great deal.

Thanks Tal.

fox as well

(probably any "network" with multiple cable channels)

Thanks. Mr. D.

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omg, no idea what your comment means - and quite sexist. The guy is 18 and been through a very emotional trying experience. I didn't follow this case initially, but saw and read a lot about it during the trial. Seems to be very easy for those seeing only one side to make comments as this.

I saw an article that had a headline, Rittenhouse 'should get Actor of The Year award'. Typical by uninformed and biased media...

The more I saw of the trial so far, good chance the case will be dismissed due to the terrible Prosecution actions during this trial.
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Great Judge!

Prosecutors instructing their witness to lie, geez!

Self defense, set Kyle free!

It also works better when there are actual tears shed, and not just a Scott Baio Acting 101 Class demonstration.

There are people who do not have the ability to cry and that can have a huge affect on their mental well-being. Scientists think that people with Sjogren's syndrome, who do not have the ability to shed tears also might experience difficulty in expressing their emotions.

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Just Wow!
 

So a 17 year old (at the time of the incident) is arrested and labeled a white supremacist and guilty of murder by many, all without the benefit of trial. At trial, the star witness for the prosecution admits that Rittenhouse did not shoot him UNTIL HE POINTED HIS GUN AT RITTENHOUSE. Another PROSECUTION witness testified that the PROSECUTION tried to get him to change his statement, and the judge had to admonish the prosecutor for attempting to violate Rittenhouse’s constitutional rights to remain silent.

And what are some concerned about? Whether Rittenhouse actually cried during his testimony. Really? I mean, really? If anything, people should be questioning the potential prosecutorial misconduct and the rapid rush to judge a person absent facts and a fair trial. How dare a prosecutor attempt to introduce that the defendant chose to remain silent until he took the witness stand, and yet there are people who are not outraged by the prosecutor, but they apparently are ready to mock the defendant over his crying. What I saw and heard was not crying, but an attempt to control his emotions at which point the judge granted a recess so that the defendant could compose himself.

I guess lessons weren’t learned after the Nicholas Sandman debacle, hopefully Kyle Rittenhouse has attorneys lined up to drop lawsuits. Given that some of those proclaiming his guilt also attacked Nicholas Sandman, one would think the judgement/settlement against these people should be significantly higher.

I'm sure that is true. However, so far no one has suggested, or announced, or proclaimed that this kid has been diagnosed with any such thing, or claimed that he's incapable of shedding tears.

And he has plenty of talent in "expression emotions." That blubber-fest would have been convincing, had there been tears.

He admitted to lying about his claim that he was an EMT. So we know he's fully capable of lying, and understands what lying means, and that he knows the difference between "misstating" something and flat out lying about something on purpose.

His mother drove him, while he was a minor child, over state lines with a semi-automatic weapon, for the express purpose of attending what he believed would be a riot (since, why else WOULD he bring a semi-automatic weapon with him over state lines)?

He knew he was going to a violent situation. He brought with him the means to kill people. He killed not someone, but two people. He maimed another. He has bragged about his affiliations with white supremacists and the Proud Boys on his own personal social media accounts, and the public has seen the publicized videos and photos of him exactly where he bragged that he was.

Whether he intended to kill the two VICTIMS, he killed them. They're dead, he's the one who pulled the trigger. They are victims of gun violence, whether it's murder or otherwise. He's not being charged with murder, he's being charged with homicide. He absolutely committed homicide.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I can see it, before the kid takes the stand.............the attorneys say, in case he tries to cry with tears, he can not, jus in case.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Not all people's tear ducts work the same.
Not all crying has apparent liquid coming from eyes.
Not all liquid from eyes is crying.

If someone is sobbing and distraught, I think it's very ignorant and dickish to say it's 'fake' because there are no visible tear drops.

As usual, Wikipedia has more detail and references in tears.
posted by SaltySalticid at 3:27 PM on August 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


That guy is full of it. I have been socialized that men don't cry and it is damned difficult to even shed a tear when I am overcome with emotion, even to the point where I'm totally incapable of anything but voiceless sobbing.

People naturally respond to emotions differently and people are conditioned to respond to emotions in different ways.
posted by Zalzidrax at 3:29 PM on August 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Between physical, endocrinological, medical, fight-or-flight, and social conditions, there's just no guarantee of tears. Also no guarantee that you'll even get reddening around the nose/lips/eyes.

Unfortunately, the smarmy, white supremacist little thug (and his mother) are going to get away with it. He went there for ONE reason and one reason only. He wanted to be a hero and shoot someone. He got his wish and will get away with it, due a lot to an inept prosecution and a sympathetic judge. The fact that his mother (who I can't understand why she isn't being charged) willingly drove him to a location where trouble was likely, while illegally armed, says a lot about the entitlement environment he was raised in. What kind of parent even does that?

Glad he had a weapon to defend himself. "Homicide" by itself is NOT a charge. Manslaughter, as in voluntary or involuntary can be a charge or maybe even an "intentional homicide" or something similar, but homicide itself is just a classification that the person did not die of natural causes. Personally, I believe in CCW and think that anyone brandishing a weapon in a threatening manor toward another individual should expect that someone might just take it seriously and defend themselves. If I was attempting to assist my fellow neighbor and someone started beating me with or without a weapon, I might feel compelled to defend myself expeditiously. So far, I have not seen any testimony that indicated that he was hunting for someone to shoot, rather than someone to assist. But, I have not seen all the testimony. But, from what I have seen from the videos, even those that the prosecutor has shown, my original thought was that he was justified in responding with deadly force. But, that is my "professional" opinion.

Your opinion, you might add. Was he a "white supremacist?" What group does he represent? Or, are you judging him? Did he not have a first aid kit with him? Was he intending to choke someone with an ace bandage?

One needs to be careful where one obtains information. CBS News Deletes Post Declaring Rittenhouse a Murderer Before Verdict

Ok, so where in the testimony does it come up that his mother transported him to Kenosha and where does it show that the firearm in question was transported across state lines?

Contrary to these claims, here is Rittenhouse's testimony as presented by CNN:

You will need to scroll down since there no markers on the web page to link to specific parts of the testimony, but I have inserted the noted times and the relevant testimony

1) [12:35:09] Note: There is commentary just prior to the trial resuming, it is just after the trial resumes that the following was recorded.

BINGER: You had spent the night at Dominic Black's house, is that right?

RITTENHOUSE: Yes.

BINGER: And you indicated that you had worked at the RecPlex the night before is that right?

RITTENHOUSE: The 24th, correct.

BINGER: OK. And you worked until about 7:00 p.m.

RITTENHOUSE: I couldn't give you exact time. But I'd say I got off from between 6:00 and 7:00. I don't recall. It's been a while.

BINGER: And then you drove your car over to Dominic's house.

RITTENHOUSE: Yes.

BINGER: OK. So the rest of the time it seems like you're being driven around in Mr. Black's car. Is that fair to say?

RITTENHOUSE: Yes.


2) [12:50:03]

BINGER: So when the gun was left at Dominic Black's house it had that ammunition with it?

RITTENHOUSE: Yes, the ammo was in a box or a magazine, I don't really know.

BINGER: When you were at Dominic Black's house on August 25th, you found your that AR-15 downstairs in his basement, correct?

RITTENHOUSE: No.

BINGER: Where did you find it at?

RITTENHOUSE: It was downstairs in the basement. But I was told by Dominic Black, hey, go downstairs, grab that rifle -- grab your rifle.

BINGER: So you knew up until that point that that rifle was being stored in a gun safe in the garage, correct?

RITTENHOUSE: Correct.


3) [11:55:02]

RICHARDS: And did you go and turn yourself into the Kenosha Police Department?

RITTENHOUSE: I did not.

RICHARDS: Why not?

RITTENHOUSE: The Kenosha Police Department was barricaded off with a fence, and I don't think they were accepting anybody to come to the police department at that time.

RICHARDS: What did you do then?

RITTENHOUSE: I went to the nearest police department that I knew of, which was Antioch Police Department in Illinois by my house.

RICHARDS: Who took you there?

RITTENHOUSE: My mother.

RICHARDS: Okay. How did you get to Antioch from Downtown Kenosha?

RITTENHOUSE: Dominic Black drove me.

RICHARDS: And then Dominic Black drives you where?

RITTENHOUSE: He drives me to my house in Antioch, Illinois, where I meet with my mother and sisters and I sort of tell them what happened. I was still in shock. My head was still spinning and then we go to the Antioch Police Department, where I turned myself in.

RICHARDS: Who drove you to the Antioch Police Department?

RITTENHOUSE: My mother.

I guess when posters get their "information" from the MSM, they should probably make sure it's fact and not just some commentator's opinion. Such as the young man being a "white supremacist." Not sure where that came from. Not sure if that is fact or someone's opinion but no matter what your belief or slant is, if someone is chasing you to kill you and you are running away, what you believe is irrelevant to your own survival. You use what you have handy to protect yourself. And if someone is pointing a gun at you, you don't wait until he shoots you before responding.

The trial is not over yet, but from what I have seen of the prosecution, that young man should be acquitted.
And regarding the matter of a minor in possession of a firearm, if they are going to try him as an adult then they should drop that charge also.

The prosecutor is the smarmy one. The judge may have to declare a mistrial with prejudice as a result of his outrageous antics. The prosecutor should be disbarred IMHO for denying Kyle his 5th amendment rights and instructing his witness to change his story (lie).

Furthermore Kyle is NOT a "white supremacist". Wherever did you hear or read that libel/slander? His mother did not drive him to the riot with or with out a gun. The gun is legal, not illegal. Kyle is not a thug. He was attacked by thugs and he shot them in self defense. So much misinformation...

BTW, the judge is fair!

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Personally, I wish that Celebrities et al would KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT - or at least ask the MEDIA to not widely publish their OPINIONS. Who the hexx cares what know-it-alls like Lebron thinks????

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Los Angeles Lakers star LeBron James mocked alleged Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse over a video showing the 18-year-old crying in court while testifying in his murder trial.

"What tears?????" the 17-time All-Star tweeted Wednesday evening after the conclusion of Rittenhouse’s testimony in his unfolding murder trial, where the teen broke down on the stand recounting the August 2020 shooting he was involved in that left two people dead and one injured.

"I didn’t see one. Man knock it off! That boy ate some lemon heads before walking into court," James added.


...and imagine IF a white guy said "boy" about an African American?
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He would be deemed a "white supremacist" for sure.

I agree. You would think that after the proven deliberate misrepresentations by MSM, I referenced the Sandman episode earlier as an example, that it would give pause to those "carrying the water" of MSM, but why let facts stand in the way of their "truth"?

I am also curious as to the lack of indignation and condemnation of the prosecutor's star witness, who testified that Rittenhouse did not shoot him until he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse. Let's ask some of the same questions, and a few others, of this "white supremist thug" (the descriptor used by those who point fingers at Rittenhouse) :

1) Why were you there and violating the curfew?
2) Weren't you looking to shoot someone since you brought a gun to a riot?
3) Where did you get the gun?
4) Did you carry a pistol so that it would be easier to hide it after you shot someone?
5) Do you like shooting people?

So given that he admitted to pointing a deadly weapon first, why are some of the MSM "water carriers" still insisting that Rittenhouse has ANY guilt when it comes to shooting that "thug"?

I too will wait for the conclusion of the trial as there may be facts still not in evidence which will need to be evaluated.

I am ok with someone posting their opinion if they don't make it a statement of fact, which some are prone to do, even on this board. I don't give any weight to James' opinions as I neither read or care about them.

Such compassion...

Wrong AGAIN!

Did you even watch the trial?

NO ONE drove him across anything with a rifle. He didn't bring ANYTHING across state lines.

Well, I guess there was no reason for a trial, since you're so sure of what happened...

Are you available for other trials? It could save the justice system a lot of money!

Classic symptom of PTSD- inability to cry. I've you had watched his entire testimony (which I doubt CNN carried) you would have seen other symptoms displayed as wellas well.
Why do you hate Scott Baio? What did he ever do to you?

You mean the FELON, who was not allowed to possess the gun he pointed at KR?

Stop it with the actual testimony!

We need more "opinions" from news talking heads...

I'd explain it to you, but I don't want another "vacation"...:icon_wink:

Noticed that Rittenhouse looks like Mickey Milkovich. Guilty as charged.

Some sources say that he drove himself and when he got home, his mom made him turn himself in, so I'll admit that whether she drove him there is unclear.

What is not unclear and was actually what was argued about yesterday, with the judge not allowing the proof, is this;

Kyle Rittenhouse Gave White Supremacist Hand Symbol, Drank With 'Proud Boys' at Bar: Affidavit


According to an affidavit filed by Kenosha County Assistant District Attorney Thomas C. Binge, Rittenhouse stayed at the pub for around 90 minutes wearing a T-shirt reading "free as f**k."

Immediately upon arriving at the bar, Rittenhouse posed for pictures while flashing the OK hand gesture—a previously innocuous symbol that has been co-opted by some on the far-right as a coded message to show support for white supremacy.

Rittenhouse drank three beers during the 90 minutes he was at Pudgy's Pub and "remained with these 'Proud Boys' for the entire time," the affidavit states.

Police were made aware that Rittenhouse was at the bar and obtained surveillance footage from the business to confirm his presence.


Definitely, a white supremacist thug.

LeBron needs to shut up and dribble.

“Every single witness who testified this week at the trial confirmed exactly what happened. And here are the facts of it: A convicted child rapist called Joseph Rosenbaum was released from a mental hospital and then went directly to join the mob that was burning downtown Kenosha.

“Once he got to the riot, Rosenbaum saw Kyle Rittenhouse and immediately threatened to kill him,” Carlson said. “Rosenbaum then chased Rittenhouse and tried to pull the gun from his hands. When he did that, Kyle Rittenhouse shot him. So Joseph Rosenbaum died as he had lived, trying to touch an unwilling minor.”

Even the “fact-checking” grifters at Snopes had to conclude that Rosenbaum was indeed a convicted child molester.

When Rittenhouse took the stand, Carlson argued, what we all saw was “willful prosecutorial misconduct.”

Kenosha County Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger, Carlson noted, “[implied] that Kyle Rittenhouse must be guilty because he had exercised his constitutional right to remain silent after he was arrested.”

According to Fox News, the move prompted defense attorneys to ask for a mistrial, which Judge Bruce Schroeder didn’t immediately rule on.

He did, however, excoriate Binger.

“I was astonished when you began your examination by commenting on the defendant’s post-arrest silence,” a visibly angry Schroeder said after the jury was removed from the courtroom.

“That’s basic law. It’s been basic law in this country for 40 years, 50 years. I have no idea why you would do something like that. … I don’t know what you’re up to.”

From: Tucker: Rittenhouse Has 'Already Won' and We Are Watching 'Willful Prosecutorial Misconduct'