Question regarding mixing vaccine booster shots
 

A relative recently told me that they had received a Moderna booster shot for the J&J vaccination they had originally received. I was astonished as information on the two vaccinations shows that they are entirely different. The J&J is derived from infected animals (monkeys) and the Moderna is a mRNA technology. Seems to me that it is entirely different. After doing a bit of Internet surfing, I found that doctors are encouraging the mixing. That surprised me also.

So, my question is that if any booster is working for this, regardless of type of vaccine, then wouldn't that mean that a Moderna booster would also work for a flu shot? Sounds ridiculous, I know but if you can mix a virus derived vaccine with a mRNA booster, something sounds a bit fishy. I am starting to wonder if the booster even matters, as many doctors have already admitted that the vaccine will NOT eliminate infection or the passing on the infection to others. It seems that it may eliminate MOST infected from dying in the hospital, if anything.

Don't get me wrong, I have my vaccination. Apparently, the FDA or CDC are now discounting any chance of herd immunity, since immunity would indicate that you can't become infected by the illness.



The pandemic is still on many folks minds and they wish to discuss it, so this is NOT "just another Covid thread." Well, actually it is BUT folks are still concerned or you would not see many still wearing masks and still lining up for their shots....mostly boosters. And that is the point of this, BOOSTERS.

VA stayed with the same vaccine for first 2 and the booster. Could have been that’s the only supplier they had.

We stayed with the Moderna booster. But they both increase antibodies so I guess that’s why they can be mixed.

Google is always your friend:

You might want to check with the people who made the rules: Interim Clinical Considerations for Use of COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC

Interchangeability of booster doses
Heterologous (mix and match) booster doses can be used in eligible recipients aged ≥18 years (see Considerations for use of a COVID-19 vaccine booster dose for more details).

And from here: So you got the Johnson & Johnson COVID vaccine: What a booster means for you - CNET

The CDC says everyone who got the one-dose shot can get another dose of Johnson & Johnson at least two months after they were vaccinated, or they can get a booster shot of Pfizer or Moderna. That's because the CDC and US Food and Drug Administration have also authorized a heterologous booster dose for all adults who qualify for one, meaning people can now "mix and match" vaccines for a booster and aren't tied to their original vaccine.

Correct, because SADLY they have fully understood that there will never be enough people taking the vaccine to reach whatever they need to reach (70%?? 80% ?? 90% ?? or whatever the number was) of the population that would reach herd immunity.

You have posted on so many Covid threads and still you and others do not seem to understand how vaccines work. All the vaccines, whether Moderna, J and J etc work by having your body produce antibodies against the spike proteins that characterize the Covid 19 virus. Stop, consider that fact.

pause, pause, pause.



Ok, so any product that makes your immune system better at recognizing the spike protein as an enemy and fighting it is a good thing to use to help you not get sick. There are variations in the method used to induce the body to attack the spike protein. J&J uses an adenoviral method. Moderna uses mRNA. All the approved vaccines do the same thing ultimately... get you to make anti-spike antibodies. Whatever product you use for a booster... boosts your ability to make anti-spike antibodies. The point of Covid boosters is to BOOST your resistance to Covid, just like a tetanus booster only works to boost your immunity to that disease.

And NO it does nothing for influenza which has no spike protein involved at all.

Booster Helps. My spouse had no antibodies from the first and second dose vaccine due to a chronic illness & Medications for it, but the booster finally allowed her system to generate the antibodies she needed.

I think you should line up for your fifteenth shot now and beat the crowd.

The Moderna booster increased antibodies by 1400 times to people who got the J&J shot. The purpose of the booster is to boost antibodies so why not get the one that gives you the biggest boost.

Different technologies same virus is why you can use any of them for your booster. The flu is a different virus then Covid thus none work for the flu.

Astonished why? Doctors are not “encouraging” the mixing of vaccines but have said you can mix vaccines.

Sure seems to be heavy on your mind.
Why don't you contact all those privately that want to discuss it and have them over to your house.....kinda like a book club.:popcorn:

Right on

I’m curious if anyone vaccinated either twice or with a booster has taken the antibody blood test that shows your exact level/number for antibodies? My friend had Covid 5 months ago and is a level 2.18, I’m at 1.55 from 9 months ago getting Covid. I only know so far, one person vaccinated twice that checked and hes only at .87. Id be curious of any other actual specific statistics. I’ll also be happy when Pfizer can distribute their new drug for Covid cases that’s 90% effective to keep you out of the hospital or dying.

Why are you asking residents about a medical question? Call your doctor!

Nix on boosters. Seems to me that NO ONE can say the shots are effective. I had bad reaction to Moderna. Hives nausea dizziness and now I’m plagued with worsening of all my arthritis in all my joints at once. I FIRMLY BELIEVE THIS MODERNA ALTERS YOUR DNA AND ALL YOUR LIFELONG IMMUNITIES ARE DISRUPTED BY THIS INVENTION OF MAN. Before the Moderna shot, I had an ache here or there— treatable with NSAID or meloxicam. After the Moderna vaccine, My Arthritis quadrupled and nothing relieves it.

I need a fourth booster in February, according to my doctors. And I’m planning to get it. I don’t understand the issue with getting vaccines. We blew any chance of herd immunity because people refuse to get vaccinated. The virus will mutate and change. It will become endemic eventually. Like the seasonal flu. We get flu shots every year and boosters of other vaccines because immunity wanes over time. So what is the problem.

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Since you are responding, I guess you would be interested?

The way I read it, you can't get "herd immunity" if you aren't immune. This vaccine does not produce immunity according to what I have read, because you can still become infected and infect others. Therefore, even if it keeps you from dying in the hospital, you are not immune regardless of vaccination.

I started the thread on this because I felt it interesting that two different vaccines could be mixed. Morderna and Pfizer are the same type of vaccine, whereas the J&J is derived from infected animals. At the beginning of the Covid vaccine discussion some months ago, folks were concerned over the Mrna process of protection. Many "experts" assured them that the virus itself was not used to produce the vaccine. Then came the J&J using (I think) the old technology of producing a vaccine from an infected animal.
I found it very interesting that even though the two different types of vaccine were totally different in nature, that they could be mixed. Even though I received a snarky reply, I still enjoy reading the explanation of how they can be safe to mix. Sometimes getting information from experts on the Web does not make as easy to understand for the layperson as someone explaining it on a forum such as this. Thank you.
By the way, it sure seems kind of weird that those that come on here and disparage a subject or poster, still find the time to read every post made in the forum they believe is redundant or moot.

You ignore the millions of people who have already contracted and survived Covid.

They have a stronger immune response than those who were simply vaccinated.

Why they won't include those in the count is ponderous...

That said, it matters not because everyone's mind is already made up...

Herd immunity should include those who have actually had Covid correct? In that case we may already have.

Very odd choice of words. "You", assuming you are referring to an individual, can never get herd immunity. Herd immunity is a concept that applies to a population, not an individual. Also, according to "you", there can never be herd immunity since neither the vaccine nor developing COVID-19 will result in immunity: you can still develop/redevelop the disease since the virus is unstable.

Asking us will give a dozen different answers.

Even if we had 100% vaccination participation, we would not have herd immunity. The vaccination does NOT keep you from being infected or passing it on. I think that is the whole point of the OP.

I think the point was that you can't have herd immunity by just this vaccination. There was no mention of herd immunity based on survival after being infected.

Poor assumption…….

There is another thread on herd immunity, you may want to add your opinion over there.
Oh wait, you all have already done that.
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side effects
 

I don't know if that is what is causing this but the same thing happened to me. My arthritis was manageable but after the shots it is like someone is sticking needles into the center of my bones and it is especially painful in my hands - almost unbearable.

What is good about that is you can pick the one you like. :a040:

this is part of the argument eric clapton is making. he says the shot caused an increase in his neuropathy, which made it hard for him to play @ one time. he is very outspoken about the jab, & so is van morrison

I am not a medical expert but, it seems to me a part of the issue is we chose to spread the money around. I've yet to see anyone but me question value per dollar. I have read that Pfizer is $21 a shot and Moderna is $20. Truth I'm not sure, perhaps it is the reverse Pfizer at $20 and Moderna at $21. In any case shouldn't cost matter? Cost and results? No one seems to know or care.

Like any disease covid 19 is changing. The current versions are more easily spread but less likely to kill. Originally syphilis would kill in days-little chance of being spread. The disease evolved into something people could live with for years. More chance to be spread.

I would be asking my doctor and not people on a Forum!

Fully vaccinated people are at least 3x less likely to be infected with COVID-19.

Among people with COVID-19, fully vaccinated people were half as likely to need emergency care or hospitalization, and 7x less likely to die from COVID-19 than unvaccinated people.

Incidence of SARS-CoV-2 Infection, Emergency Department Visits, and Hospitalizations Because of COVID-19 Among Persons Aged ≥12 Years, by COVID-19 Vaccination Status — Oregon and Washington, July 4–September 25, 2021 | MMWR.

It seems like he/she is adding to the discussion and you seem to be intent on attacking the poster. Not much value in that.

Not directed at one poster.....the whole class.:ho:

We have science, we have economics and we have crowd control. No matter what you think you will find scientists, companies and people who agree with you. Typical of any virus, it changes. Months ago they had identified over 100 variations. Vaccines, they do not want to say the Physer, the Modera, the J&J, the Astro Zenca is the one that is the best. They do not want to allow a panic.

So here we sit in a state of confusion. My wife and I have had 3 Physer shots. I did ask and the third one was the same as the first two. I have the receipt for what they gave me. Did they really give me what is says? BEATS ME.

For that matter, if there is a better choice than the one I made, there are no do overs.

We tend to expect, to demand perfect answers. Typically while we expect, demand perfect answers to most issues there are no perfect answers.

With variants abound, will the Term “Fully Vaccinated” need to be changed?

Will boosters be common place?

Vaccination x2, Booster of 1, good thing cards have multiple lines.

Maybe next year will it just be 2nd Generation Possible Fully Vaccinated with possible booster.

My husband had J&J initially, as that was the first shot available to him. When it came time for his booster, he was advised to get the Moderna by a pharmacy university professor who runs a drug information center, his primary care physician - who is also a registered pharmacist, and the employees of the clinic where he got the shot.

As has been explained repeatedly, J&J took a different approach and did not use mRNA. Studies and data collected from the “real world” show that combining mRNA with J&J is most effective in boosting immunity.

When I went for my booster this week, I was advised to stay with Pfizer, which my first two had been. I’m feeling pretty punk right now, but am glad to have that added protection. I’m not yet retired and have a lot of potential exposure.

I do not understand why there are those who are still arguing that vaccines don’t stop the immunized from getting sick so you shouldn’t get one. Evidence is clear that those who have been vaccinated are less likely to get sick, not be as sick, and significantly less likely to die.

No matter what the issue is to change a mind there are two options force them to do what it is you want. The other is to convince them to do what you want actually present facts that they will take the time to read and consider and realize what they thought was wrong. The second method is far more difficult and at times almost impossible.
For centuries everyone knew the earth was flat and the planets revolved around the earth.

It is amazing to me how many people will argue that they have an opened mind yet do not see that they always make the same decision based on their bias.