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Byte1 11-19-2021 01:17 PM
Rittenhouse verdict
 
NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!! :clap2::clap2::clap2:

skyking 11-19-2021 01:22 PM
I watched most of the testimony and agree with the jury.

John41 11-19-2021 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2031345)
NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!! :clap2::clap2::clap2:
I agree with not guilty on all counts. Prosecutor needs to be sanctioned for violating defendants rights and pointing a gun at the jury. Watched a lot of the testimony rather than getting media bias. Great day for 2a.

DeanFL 11-19-2021 01:37 PM
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Justice was done. IMO, the vast majority of those truly observing and getting all the evidence and testimony would have made the same decision - as did the JURY of his peers IN THE COURTROOM.

Many Media sources apparently DID NOT cover the proceedings in a neutral fashion, and some biased coverage did not truthfully include much of the Defense. So, I can see how some, watching only those sources, may feel the verdict is wrong.

Let's see what prevails in Kenosha and across the country tonight and the next few days. IF behavior is anything but peaceful...SHAME!
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Velvet 11-19-2021 01:49 PM
I would be interested in knowing if the prosecutor always uses those highly aggressive tactics or was it only in this case? It looked to me that he was mostly responsible for the verdict, or at least would have been if I was on the jury.

Stu from NYC 11-19-2021 01:51 PM
Hopefully everyone will accept the verdict and peace will prevail.

manaboutown 11-19-2021 02:01 PM
HIP, HIP, HOORAY!!!! Great news!!!

What a relief! Justice has been served. Even through the jurors, judge and their families were threatened with violence and death they carried on and bravely did the right thing.

Now Kyle can sue the MSM as Nick did!

It is just too bad he missed the violent thug, Maurice Freeland, who kicked Kyle in the head while he was lying on his back defenseless except for his rifle.

billethkid 11-19-2021 02:24 PM
The special interest groups will be there to make their position known....bricks, bottles, fire bombs in a space less than 1/4 the size of a football field.

The media will focus in tight and present it as a mass demonstration.....to which the politicians and special interest groups will pour as much fuel on it as possible.

The other 98.9% of us will be going about our business which most certainly will not be news worthy!!!

dewilson58 11-19-2021 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2031381)
Hopefully the town will learn something from this and start putting an early halt on rioting instead of coddling those cretins. None of those involved had any skin in the demonstrations and just wanted to create chaos and destroy. It is pathetic when a citizen attempts to or has to protect the town because the authorities are too scared of political repercussion.
Agree. Too many cities turn into a Seattle.

manaboutown 11-19-2021 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Trayderjoe (Post 2031393)
The jurors in Kenosha have spoken- Kyle Rittenhouse is not guilty on ALL COUNTS.
Based upon the trial and transcripts, IMO this was the correct verdict. Moving forward, I would also hope that Rittenhouse can take a breath before moving forward with multiple lawsuits for the shameless allegations of guilt and elements of the event (proven wrong during the trial) made with certitude by MSM, as well as those private citizens who made public comments to MSM suggesting that Rittenhouse was aligned with white supremacy. Certainly MSM has a documented history of grossly misrepresenting facts to fit a narrative, and clearly they have not stepped back, even after the report of out of court settlements in the Sandman lawsuits. The attorneys will have a field day with malicious intent, and that clearly a 250 million dollar lawsuit (we don't know the settlement agreement), did not dissuade MSM from once again attacking and misrepresenting the facts.

The prosecutors should also face consequences for the multiple events of prosecutorial misconduct witnessed during the trial. Either they are grossly incompetent, or may, as some have suggested, been trying to get a mistrial to avoid this verdict.

Congratulations to the jurors for not listening to the mob, but for reviewing the testimony and facts and making their decision accordingly.
Well said! :agree:

gatorbill1 11-19-2021 03:12 PM
Probably would not have even gone to a jury trial in Florida. Remember our stand your ground law here.

ThirdOfFive 11-19-2021 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by skyking (Post 2031349)
I watched most of the testimony and agree with the jury.
Whether we agree with the verdict or not, it is important to remember that no one here was on that jury. We weren't privy to the deliberations. And it is a given that none of felt anything even close to the pressure they must have felt.

It is important to remember as well that none of this was spur-of-the-moment. This jury deliberated for the better part of four days before delivering their verdict. I think we can assume with confidence that justice was done.

Whether or not we agree with the verdict is, in the end, superfluous. What I hope we all CAN agree on though is that, even with it's flaws, America still has the best justice system on the planet.

manaboutown 11-19-2021 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by gatorbill1 (Post 2031399)
Probably would not have even gone to a jury trial in Florida. Remember our stand your ground law here.
Should not gave gone to trial anywhere. It was clearly self defense.

MDLNB 11-19-2021 03:19 PM
chalk one up for the good guys.

Bonnevie 11-19-2021 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2031404)
Chalk one up for the good guys.
Unfortunately, that "good guy" will have to live with the fact he killed two people and seriously injured another because he wanted to play hero. it was a bad situation for a teenager to put himself in, and even if it was self-defense, people died and were injured because he went there.

that being said, I think most people accept the jury's verdict because we are a nation of laws supposedly.

manaboutown 11-19-2021 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 2031408)
Unfortunately, that "good guy" will have to live with the fact he killed two people and seriously injured another because he wanted to play hero. it was a bad situation for a teenager to put himself in, and even if it was self-defense, people died and were injured because he went there.

that being said, I think most people accept the jury's verdict because we are a nation of laws supposedly.
In self defense he killed two violent thugs who attacked him. If he had not had the rifle to protect himself he would be dead.

Velvet 11-19-2021 03:36 PM
Or… the others would not have died or got injured if THEY have not been there… works both ways. Hindsight is 20/20.

manaboutown 11-19-2021 03:39 PM
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Trayderjoe 11-19-2021 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 2031408)
Unfortunately, that "good guy" will have to live with the fact he killed two people and seriously injured another because he wanted to play hero. it was a bad situation for a teenager to put himself in, and even if it was self-defense, people died and were injured because he went there.

that being said, I think most people accept the jury's verdict because we are a nation of laws supposedly.
Wow....

Still no condemnation for the people who had no business being in Kenosha rioting and destroying private property. (Rittenhouse does have family and friends who lived there-how many of the rioters can say that?)

Still no condemnation for the FOUR ADULTS who attacked Rittenhouse (don't forget "yellow pants", the FELON who kicked Rittenhouse in the face), putting his life in jeopardy.

Still no condemnation for MSM for the deliberate misrepresentation of the facts.

Recognizing that for some, there is no room to admit that maybe, to put it politely, they were misinformed, they would rather still refer to being a "supposedly" country of laws. In effect, that statement ignores the PROOF presented at trial. IMO, that thinking is COUNTER to the rule of law.

DAVES 11-19-2021 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 2031361)
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Justice was done. IMO, the vast majority of those truly observing and getting all the evidence and testimony would have made the same decision - as did the JURY of his peers IN THE COURTROOM.

Many Media sources apparently DID NOT cover the proceedings in a neutral fashion, and some biased coverage did not truthfully include much of the Defense. So, I can see how some, watching only those sources, may feel the verdict is wrong.

Let's see what prevails in Kenosha and across the country tonight and the next few days. IF behavior is anything but peaceful...SHAME!
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We will now see our population and it will be a diverse reaction. On one side Rittenhouse will be made VERY wealthy with all that SHOULD BE sued. One the other side RIOTS.

DAVES 11-19-2021 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2031402)
Should not gave gone to trial anywhere. It was clearly self defense.
As I've said before, there is right, there is wrong and then there is our legal system.

Coincidence? It took the jury almost a week to find Rittenhouse not guilty. The verdict on friday. All three shot have records as being criminals. The police were close by, they didn't hear the shots? Or did they chose not to hear the shots?

It had to go to trial. Trial by riot. I hope I will be surprised by our people, by our news people and our leaders.

Trayderjoe 11-19-2021 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2031397)
Well said! :agree:
So the post you referenced was originally in a different thread I started in Current Events, prior to this thread being moved to Current Events, and my thread was initially consolidated into this thread. No problem. Not sure why now that initial post was removed from the thread all together. There were no political comments and no misstatement of facts, nor name calling. I agree that as a private "board" they can set the rules, but it sure would help if they explained what rule was violated that necessitated the post being removed?

Bonnevie 11-19-2021 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Trayderjoe (Post 2031425)
Wow....

Still no condemnation for the people who had no business being in Kenosha rioting and destroying private property. (Rittenhouse does have family and friends who lived there-how many of the rioters can say that?)

Still no condemnation for the FOUR ADULTS who attacked Rittenhouse (don't forget "yellow pants", the FELON who kicked Rittenhouse in the face), putting his life in jeopardy.

Still no condemnation for MSM for the deliberate misrepresentation of the facts.

Recognizing that for some, there is no room to admit that maybe, to put it politely, they were misinformed, they would rather still refer to being a "supposedly" country of laws. In effect, that statement ignores the PROOF presented at trial. IMO, that thinking is COUNTER to the rule of law.
this is what drives me nuts. I simply pointed out it will have an effect on him for killing people and that I personally don't feel a 17 year old should have been there, if he were my son he never would have been. YOU assume I condone the rioting????

I don't agree with the rioting. the people he killed were not model citizens. some of those who attacked him, believed him to be an active shooter and were trying to prevent more shots. that's the problem when non-police are walking around with guns.

I don't routinely go to MSN for news so I can't speak to whether they were biased. I would guess that the people that have shows lie Rachel, Joy, Ari, just like Tucker, Sean, Laura et al, would be protected because they are considered opinion shows. or in the case of Tucker, a court decreed no reasonable person would believe what he says.

that was the reason for the trial....so the facts could come out. the jury decided it was self defense. isn't that what trials are for?

I guess he could sue the city for bringing the charges but frankly, he should take the win and do something positive with the rest of his life.

tophcfa 11-19-2021 04:51 PM
Not surprised at all. Poor judgement is not against the law and everyone has the right to defend themselves when the situation warrants it.

JMintzer 11-19-2021 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 2031441)
this is what drives me nuts. I simply pointed out it will have an effect on him for killing people and that I personally don't feel a 17 year old should have been there, if he were my son he never would have been. YOU assume I condone the rioting????

I don't agree with the rioting. the people he killed were not model citizens. some of those who attacked him, believed him to be an active shooter and were trying to prevent more shots. that's the problem when non-police are walking around with guns.

I don't routinely go to MSN for news so I can't speak to whether they were biased. I would guess that the people that have shows lie Rachel, Joy, Ari, just like Tucker, Sean, Laura et al, would be protected because they are considered opinion shows. or in the case of Tucker, a court decreed no reasonable person would believe what he says.

that was the reason for the trial....so the facts could come out. the jury decided it was self defense. isn't that what trials are for?

I guess he could sue the city for bringing the charges but frankly, he should take the win and do something positive with the rest of his life.
The "active shooter" narrative was a hail Mary pass, added by the prosecution, at the last minute... No one testified to that...

holger danske 11-19-2021 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 2031354)
I agree with not guilty on all counts. Prosecutor needs to be sanctioned for violating defendants rights and pointing a gun at the jury. Watched a lot of the testimony rather than getting media bias. Great day for 2a.
In a perfect world ADA T Claire Binger and his sidekick ADA Lunchbox should be required to hand over Kyle's AR-15 to him in court. After they restore the sight they removed for their little courtroom Baldwin imitation.

Trayderjoe 11-19-2021 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 2031441)
this is what drives me nuts. I simply pointed out it will have an effect on him for killing people and that I personally don't feel a 17 year old should have been there, if he were my son he never would have been. YOU assume I condone the rioting????

I don't agree with the rioting. the people he killed were not model citizens. some of those who attacked him, believed him to be an active shooter and were trying to prevent more shots. that's the problem when non-police are walking around with guns.

I don't routinely go to MSN for news so I can't speak to whether they were biased. I would guess that the people that have shows lie Rachel, Joy, Ari, just like Tucker, Sean, Laura et al, would be protected because they are considered opinion shows. or in the case of Tucker, a court decreed no reasonable person would believe what he says.

that was the reason for the trial....so the facts could come out. the jury decided it was self defense. isn't that what trials are for?

I guess he could sue the city for bringing the charges but frankly, he should take the win and do something positive with the rest of his life.
Actually I never said that the rioting was condoned, but that it was not condemned. I similarly pointed out that there was no condemnation of the adults that attacked Rittenhouse, nor was there condemnation for the MSM that reported misinformation as facts, such that other posters on TOTV repeated those "facts" in their attacks on Rittenhouse.

However, I did see posts inferring that Rittenhouse was "flashing the "OK" sign — a gesture that has been co-opted by known white supremacist groups", and that "he was awaiting trial for killing people at a Black Lives Matter protest....he was there illegally carrying a weapon now he was again breaking the law by drinking in a bar"

So apparently up until the cited post above, it was a protest (not a riot) and the weapon was illegal, which turned out to be.....an incorrect statement that was made in advance of the trial and the facts of the trial.

As far as MSM being "protected" from lawsuit, two different media outlets that I know of, settled out of court in the Sandman case. Sandman, and now Rittenhouse, were NOT public figures and my understanding is that as such, there is a different standard the media can be held to in their "reporting".

skyking 11-19-2021 05:47 PM
The two dead people should not have been there either.

Papa_lecki 11-19-2021 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 2031347)
And away we go again.. :popcorn:

What's the over/under on this thread making it until midnight?
About as long as a thread about how COVID cases in Florida have dropped

billlaur 11-19-2021 06:35 PM
WHAT A GLORIOUS DAY.......:clap2::a040::bigbow::boom:

kcrazorbackfan 11-19-2021 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2031345)
NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!! :clap2::clap2::clap2:
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

Eg_cruz 11-20-2021 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 2031354)
I agree with not guilty on all counts. Prosecutor needs to be sanctioned for violating defendants rights and pointing a gun at the jury. Watched a lot of the testimony rather than getting media bias. Great day for 2a.
It is sad that two men lost their lives that day but I am relieved that he was found not guilty.
I pray for his future, he has a tall mountain to climb.

MandoMan 11-20-2021 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2031345)
NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!! :clap2::clap2::clap2:
“The prosecution struggled to refute Mr. Rittenhouse’s central argument: that he had feared for his life when he was chased by Mr. Rosenbaum, a man who had been captured on video throughout the evening shouting threats and racial epithets and — according to Mr. Rittenhouse and a witness called by the prosecution — had promised to kill Mr. Rittenhouse if he found him alone. Mr. Rosenbaum had been released that day from a hospital where he had received psychiatric care and was treated for bipolar disorder and depression, testimony showed.”
“When Mr. Huber gave chase and swung a skateboard at the head of Mr. Rittenhouse, who had fallen down, Mr. Rittenhouse shot Mr. Huber in the chest. Mr. Grosskreutz continued to approach, he said in his testimony, first with his gun pointed in the air, then in the direction of Mr. Rittenhouse. “I was never trying to kill the defendant,” he said. “In that moment, I was trying to preserve my own life.””
Quotes from the Saturday New York Times. Sure sounds like self-defense to me. Correct verdict, even though he was a fool to be there at all, much less carrying a gun.

I wonder what the lawyer’s fees will be. A million? It may take the kid the rest of his life to pay it. Maybe his parents will have to sell the farm.

Eg_cruz 11-20-2021 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 2031408)
Unfortunately, that "good guy" will have to live with the fact he killed two people and seriously injured another because he wanted to play hero. it was a bad situation for a teenager to put himself in, and even if it was self-defense, people died and were injured because he went there.

that being said, I think most people accept the jury's verdict because we are a nation of laws supposedly.
True, I feel awful for him. He is in PTSD counseling to help him move forward. This young man has a heavy load to carry, I glad he knows this and has been getting help.
I could not image the daily pain he suffers.

noslices1 11-20-2021 06:48 AM
MSNBC & CNN should also be “sanctioned” for their coverage of the trial. Even after the verdict they only interviewed people who disagreed with the verdict and agreed with them that he was guilty. MSNBC was actually kicked out of the courtroom because of the actions of one of their producers. Both channels are not real NEWS channels, just liberal opinion channels.

Oneiric 11-20-2021 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2031345)
NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!! :clap2::clap2::clap2:
Not sure I understand the BLM protests to this trial. They can't wait to kill each other in major cities and there were no blacks killed or shot in this case?

thevillages2013 11-20-2021 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 2031361)
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Justice was done. IMO, the vast majority of those truly observing and getting all the evidence and testimony would have made the same decision - as did the JURY of his peers IN THE COURTROOM.

Many Media sources apparently DID NOT cover the proceedings in a neutral fashion, and some biased coverage did not truthfully include much of the Defense. So, I can see how some, watching only those sources, may feel the verdict is wrong.

Let's see what prevails in Kenosha and across the country tonight and the next few days. IF behavior is anything but peaceful...SHAME!
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If there were a thousand Kyles standing around with AR-15’s I’m betting any protest would be peaceful

Ptmckiou 11-20-2021 07:42 AM
Assuming
 
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Originally Posted by thevillages2013 (Post 2031555)
If there were a thousand Kyles standing around with AR-15’s I’m betting any protest would be peaceful
You would be assuming that only one side had AR-15’s. That wouldn’t be reality. Both sides always have access to guns, and thus the reason things can go sideways fast in argumentative situations. Vigilantism rarely harbors peace, but usually antagonizes the situation because uneducated (in law enforcement) hotheads seem to fuel/escalate situations, instead of de escalate situations (which usually takes training).

GOLFER54 11-20-2021 07:44 AM
SADLY, Now the protest and violence will begin.

Nannyof3 11-20-2021 07:55 AM
Hopefully everyone will accept......
 
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2031370)
Hopefully everyone will accept the verdict and peace will prevail.
It's been over a year for another "verdict" and everyone has not accepted, nor has peace prevailed.


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