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Orvil 11-25-2021 01:49 PM

Solivita Residents Win Victory Over Developer and HOA
 
I thought this might be of interest.

‘Their goal is to bleed owners dry.’ $34 million victory in Florida HOA lawsuit is rare, experts say
Trevor Fraser, Orlando Sentinel - Yesterday 4:42 PM
133 Comments



© Rich Pope/Orlando Sentinel/TNS

When Martin Kessler moved to the Solivita development in Poinciana, Florida in 2008, he says he quickly realized it was a big mistake. This was the first place the 97-year-old had ever lived with a homeowners association.

“Living in an HOA is not really a pleasant thing for a resident,” Kessler said. A retired economist, he said the fee he was required to pay was “a capitalist’s perfect dream of a business. People must join whether they like it or not, and they pay all the expenses of the business.”

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Kessler is among more than 5,000 members of the 55-plus community locked in a class action lawsuit since 2017 against Solivita developer Avatar Properties, which they allege improperly collected HOA fees. On Nov. 2, Polk County, Florida, Circuit Judge Wayne Durden awarded the residents $34.8 million.

“That’s the biggest award I’ve ever heard of,” said Harvella Jones, president of the National Homeowners Advocate Group. Based in Texas, Jones’ organization specializes in helping people fight HOAs and lobbies for homeowner protections. “We get calls from all over the country, but no one has ever reported to us a win as large as (Solivita).”

Experts agree that fighting HOAs is hard for residents and big wins are even rarer. In Florida, HOAs govern more than 44% of the population, according to research by analysts at iProperty Management.

With fees that can reach into the thousands of dollars from an estimated 3.5 million homes in the state, HOAs can make lawsuits long and costly for residents.

“Their goal is to bleed owners dry,” said Jan Bergemann, president of Cyber Citizens for Justice, a homeowner’s advocacy group based in DeLand. “They will hit you with motion after motion, tie it up for years.”

HOAs are infamous for limiting what signs can go up yards, raising free speech issues. They sometimes even ban basketball goals or other sports equipment from yards or tell residents how many cars they can have. A Florida HOA was accused this month of threatening a family with a $100 a day fine for putting up Christmas lights too early.

Avatar, which was purchased by homebuilder Taylor Morrison in 2018, developed Solivita and other communities in Poinciana in the early 2000s. Avatar also built amenities such as pools and clubhouses. When the time came to turn management of the community over to the Poinciana Community Development District, Avatar wanted to sell them to the community for $73 million.

But there was a problem. A certified appraiser said the amenities were only worth about a quarter of that.

“I was immediately against it. It was the most stupid thing in the world,” Kessler said.

Avatar based its number on the future value of a roughly $86 a month club fee they were charging, said attorney Carter Andersen of Bush Ross in Tampa, who represented the residents. That fee, the lawsuit alleged, was illegal. Residents couldn’t opt out of it and could even have their homes foreclosed upon for nonpayment.

Taylor Morrison, who has handled the defense in this case since acquiring Avatar, did not return requests for comment for this story.

Andersen said the $34 million figure is only the beginning. He estimates another $27 million in pre-judgment interest, and at least $4 million in fees collected this year that were not added to the ruling.

There will also be, Andersen estimates, $5 million to $10 million in attorneys’ fees for the two firms that represented the residents. The case was taken on a contingency with no retainer from the residents, which means it was a gamble for the lawyers who fought for it.

Bergemann says it’s rare to find attorneys who will take such a complicated case without some assurance of payment. “Unfortunately, wins [such as Solivita] would be very common if the owners had the money,” he said.

Bergemann says he’s spoken to attorneys who want thousands of dollars just to get building documents residents should be able to see anyway. “And who just has that?” he said.

Jones said another problem residents face is harassment for speaking up, which she says happens when residents don’t act together. “You can’t have one or two people taking the brunt of everything,” she said.

For Jones, much of the problem is a lack of government oversight. She says many HOA board members cling to their power.

“Even when we have rules about elections, they still won’t hold [to] them,” she said. “If you can’t get rid of them, that’s the main problem.”

Jones got started fighting a homeowners association in the 1990s when she lost her Texas home for nonpayment of HOA fees. “They take advantage of foreclosures, which is why they should be regulated,” she said.

Although Andersen says the Solivita case is likely to be appealed by the developer, Bergemann said wins such as Solivita’s are important because they can create a domino effect leading to more victories for homeowners around the state.

“Homeowners have rights but they often aren’t being enforced,” he said. “[HOAs] don’t want decisions coming down for homeowners.”

The win gives hope to people such as Slade Chelbian, a resident of the Bellalago community in Poinciana, also built by Avatar.

Chelbian has been a plaintiff in a class-action suit for the same activity that led to the Solivita suit since 2019.

“This was great news in the fight to stop this sort of action,” Chelbian wrote in an email. “This makes me believe we can win this action in court.”

For Chelbian, winning would mean an end to the fee he’s been challenging.

“Defeat is the status quo,” which he said is, “paying the developer a mandatory ‘for profit’ fee forever. That is not fair.”

frose 11-25-2021 05:59 PM

sounds like something i have heard before..

walterray1 11-25-2021 08:31 PM

Please explain
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Orvil (Post 2033746)
I thought this might be of interest.

‘Their goal is to bleed owners dry.’ $34 million victory in Florida HOA lawsuit is rare, experts say
Trevor Fraser, Orlando Sentinel - Yesterday 4:42 PM
133 Comments



© Rich Pope/Orlando Sentinel/TNS

When Martin Kessler moved to the Solivita development in Poinciana, Florida in 2008, he says he quickly realized it was a big mistake. This was the first place the 97-year-old had ever lived with a homeowners association.

“Living in an HOA is not really a pleasant thing for a resident,” Kessler said. A retired economist, he said the fee he was required to pay was “a capitalist’s perfect dream of a business. People must join whether they like it or not, and they pay all the expenses of the business.”

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Kessler is among more than 5,000 members of the 55-plus community locked in a class action lawsuit since 2017 against Solivita developer Avatar Properties, which they allege improperly collected HOA fees. On Nov. 2, Polk County, Florida, Circuit Judge Wayne Durden awarded the residents $34.8 million.

“That’s the biggest award I’ve ever heard of,” said Harvella Jones, president of the National Homeowners Advocate Group. Based in Texas, Jones’ organization specializes in helping people fight HOAs and lobbies for homeowner protections. “We get calls from all over the country, but no one has ever reported to us a win as large as (Solivita).”

Experts agree that fighting HOAs is hard for residents and big wins are even rarer. In Florida, HOAs govern more than 44% of the population, according to research by analysts at iProperty Management.

With fees that can reach into the thousands of dollars from an estimated 3.5 million homes in the state, HOAs can make lawsuits long and costly for residents.

“Their goal is to bleed owners dry,” said Jan Bergemann, president of Cyber Citizens for Justice, a homeowner’s advocacy group based in DeLand. “They will hit you with motion after motion, tie it up for years.”

HOAs are infamous for limiting what signs can go up yards, raising free speech issues. They sometimes even ban basketball goals or other sports equipment from yards or tell residents how many cars they can have. A Florida HOA was accused this month of threatening a family with a $100 a day fine for putting up Christmas lights too early.

Avatar, which was purchased by homebuilder Taylor Morrison in 2018, developed Solivita and other communities in Poinciana in the early 2000s. Avatar also built amenities such as pools and clubhouses. When the time came to turn management of the community over to the Poinciana Community Development District, Avatar wanted to sell them to the community for $73 million.

But there was a problem. A certified appraiser said the amenities were only worth about a quarter of that.

“I was immediately against it. It was the most stupid thing in the world,” Kessler said.

Avatar based its number on the future value of a roughly $86 a month club fee they were charging, said attorney Carter Andersen of Bush Ross in Tampa, who represented the residents. That fee, the lawsuit alleged, was illegal. Residents couldn’t opt out of it and could even have their homes foreclosed upon for nonpayment.

Taylor Morrison, who has handled the defense in this case since acquiring Avatar, did not return requests for comment for this story.

Andersen said the $34 million figure is only the beginning. He estimates another $27 million in pre-judgment interest, and at least $4 million in fees collected this year that were not added to the ruling.

There will also be, Andersen estimates, $5 million to $10 million in attorneys’ fees for the two firms that represented the residents. The case was taken on a contingency with no retainer from the residents, which means it was a gamble for the lawyers who fought for it.

Bergemann says it’s rare to find attorneys who will take such a complicated case without some assurance of payment. “Unfortunately, wins [such as Solivita] would be very common if the owners had the money,” he said.

Bergemann says he’s spoken to attorneys who want thousands of dollars just to get building documents residents should be able to see anyway. “And who just has that?” he said.

Jones said another problem residents face is harassment for speaking up, which she says happens when residents don’t act together. “You can’t have one or two people taking the brunt of everything,” she said.

For Jones, much of the problem is a lack of government oversight. She says many HOA board members cling to their power.

“Even when we have rules about elections, they still won’t hold [to] them,” she said. “If you can’t get rid of them, that’s the main problem.”

Jones got started fighting a homeowners association in the 1990s when she lost her Texas home for nonpayment of HOA fees. “They take advantage of foreclosures, which is why they should be regulated,” she said.

Although Andersen says the Solivita case is likely to be appealed by the developer, Bergemann said wins such as Solivita’s are important because they can create a domino effect leading to more victories for homeowners around the state.

“Homeowners have rights but they often aren’t being enforced,” he said. “[HOAs] don’t want decisions coming down for homeowners.”

The win gives hope to people such as Slade Chelbian, a resident of the Bellalago community in Poinciana, also built by Avatar.

Chelbian has been a plaintiff in a class-action suit for the same activity that led to the Solivita suit since 2019.

“This was great news in the fight to stop this sort of action,” Chelbian wrote in an email. “This makes me believe we can win this action in court.”

For Chelbian, winning would mean an end to the fee he’s been challenging.

“Defeat is the status quo,” which he said is, “paying the developer a mandatory ‘for profit’ fee forever. That is not fair.”

what exactly is the purpose of your post. You bring in your 97 year old dad (really?) and go on a rant. Comparing Solivita to the Villages? Again, please clarify.

Djean1981 11-25-2021 09:05 PM

How is this very long post related to The Villages (which does not have an HOA)?
It would be great if there were a "thumbs down" feature; and after so many down votes, the post disappears. :)

Marathon Man 11-26-2021 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orvil (Post 2033746)
I thought this might be of interest.

It is not.

RICH1 11-26-2021 06:45 AM

Due Diligence….

Carla B 11-26-2021 01:35 PM

Some buyers over the years have wondered about living in Solavita and how it would compare to The Villages. I found the post interesting, especially having lived in a condo in South Florida, where HOA rules can border on silliness. Kind of like the white crosses in The Villages, except we have no HOA.

vintageogauge 11-26-2021 02:31 PM

This is exactly why God created deed restrictions.

BlackHarley 11-27-2021 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 2034129)
This is exactly why God created deed restrictions.

God??

rsmurano 11-27-2021 06:10 AM

I don’t get this post. If you decide to move into a subdivision with a hoa fee, then you need to pay it. Now if the hoa goes over and beyond on their stipulated charges, then yes fight it. But this post shows that people are tired of paying a hoa fee after they move in, and I think they would have no case

DaleDivine 11-27-2021 06:20 AM

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

Luggage 11-27-2021 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orvil (Post 2033746)
I thought this might be of interest.

‘Their goal is to bleed owners dry.’ $34 million victory in Florida HOA lawsuit is rare, experts say
Trevor Fraser, Orlando Sentinel - Yesterday 4:42 PM
133 Comments



© Rich Pope/Orlando Sentinel/TNS

When Martin Kessler moved to the Solivita development in Poinciana, Florida in 2008, he says he quickly realized it was a big mistake. This was the first place the 97-year-old had ever lived with a homeowners association.

“Living in an HOA is not really a pleasant thing for a resident,” Kessler said. A retired economist, he said the fee he was required to pay was “a capitalist’s perfect dream of a business. People must join whether they like it or not, and they pay all the expenses of the business.”

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Kessler is among more than 5,000 members of the 55-plus community locked in a class action lawsuit since 2017 against Solivita developer Avatar Properties, which they allege improperly collected HOA fees. On Nov. 2, Polk County, Florida, Circuit Judge Wayne Durden awarded the residents $34.8 million.

“That’s the biggest award I’ve ever heard of,” said Harvella Jones, president of the National Homeowners Advocate Group. Based in Texas, Jones’ organization specializes in helping people fight HOAs and lobbies for homeowner protections. “We get calls from all over the country, but no one has ever reported to us a win as large as (Solivita).”

Experts agree that fighting HOAs is hard for residents and big wins are even rarer. In Florida, HOAs govern more than 44% of the population, according to research by analysts at iProperty Management.

With fees that can reach into the thousands of dollars from an estimated 3.5 million homes in the state, HOAs can make lawsuits long and costly for residents.

“Their goal is to bleed owners dry,” said Jan Bergemann, president of Cyber Citizens for Justice, a homeowner’s advocacy group based in DeLand. “They will hit you with motion after motion, tie it up for years.”

HOAs are infamous for limiting what signs can go up yards, raising free speech issues. They sometimes even ban basketball goals or other sports equipment from yards or tell residents how many cars they can have. A Florida HOA was accused this month of threatening a family with a $100 a day fine for putting up Christmas lights too early.

Avatar, which was purchased by homebuilder Taylor Morrison in 2018, developed Solivita and other communities in Poinciana in the early 2000s. Avatar also built amenities such as pools and clubhouses. When the time came to turn management of the community over to the Poinciana Community Development District, Avatar wanted to sell them to the community for $73 million.

But there was a problem. A certified appraiser said the amenities were only worth about a quarter of that.

“I was immediately against it. It was the most stupid thing in the world,” Kessler said.

Avatar based its number on the future value of a roughly $86 a month club fee they were charging, said attorney Carter Andersen of Bush Ross in Tampa, who represented the residents. That fee, the lawsuit alleged, was illegal. Residents couldn’t opt out of it and could even have their homes foreclosed upon for nonpayment.

Taylor Morrison, who has handled the defense in this case since acquiring Avatar, did not return requests for comment for this story.

Andersen said the $34 million figure is only the beginning. He estimates another $27 million in pre-judgment interest, and at least $4 million in fees collected this year that were not added to the ruling.

There will also be, Andersen estimates, $5 million to $10 million in attorneys’ fees for the two firms that represented the residents. The case was taken on a contingency with no retainer from the residents, which means it was a gamble for the lawyers who fought for it.

Bergemann says it’s rare to find attorneys who will take such a complicated case without some assurance of payment. “Unfortunately, wins [such as Solivita] would be very common if the owners had the money,” he said.

Bergemann says he’s spoken to attorneys who want thousands of dollars just to get building documents residents should be able to see anyway. “And who just has that?” he said.

Jones said another problem residents face is harassment for speaking up, which she says happens when residents don’t act together. “You can’t have one or two people taking the brunt of everything,” she said.

For Jones, much of the problem is a lack of government oversight. She says many HOA board members cling to their power.

“Even when we have rules about elections, they still won’t hold [to] them,” she said. “If you can’t get rid of them, that’s the main problem.”

Jones got started fighting a homeowners association in the 1990s when she lost her Texas home for nonpayment of HOA fees. “They take advantage of foreclosures, which is why they should be regulated,” she said.

Although Andersen says the Solivita case is likely to be appealed by the developer, Bergemann said wins such as Solivita’s are important because they can create a domino effect leading to more victories for homeowners around the state.

“Homeowners have rights but they often aren’t being enforced,” he said. “[HOAs] don’t want decisions coming down for homeowners.”

The win gives hope to people such as Slade Chelbian, a resident of the Bellalago community in Poinciana, also built by Avatar.

Chelbian has been a plaintiff in a class-action suit for the same activity that led to the Solivita suit since 2019.

“This was great news in the fight to stop this sort of action,” Chelbian wrote in an email. “This makes me believe we can win this action in court.”

For Chelbian, winning would mean an end to the fee he’s been challenging.

“Defeat is the status quo,” which he said is, “paying the developer a mandatory ‘for profit’ fee forever. That is not fair.”

We looked at solivita 20 plus years ago and did not like it for two reasons. 2 many AAA personalities and only one major road going in and out. thank God we never bought there

Luggage 11-27-2021 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djean1981 (Post 2033851)
How is this very long post related to The Villages (which does not have an HOA)?
It would be great if there were a "thumbs down" feature; and after so many down votes, the post disappears. :)

While you don't have an h o a oh, you have Covenants and as CCD which is quite remarkably similar and the ability to charge residents pretty much whatever they want

Petersweeney 11-27-2021 07:38 AM

Good OP - you might night read this in the papers or see it on TV …. for some reason….

Papa_lecki 11-27-2021 07:57 AM

Good luck collecting. Developer probably established an LLC that has very few assets - they will be negotiating with insurance companies now.

Teemotay 11-27-2021 08:12 AM

I also liked the original post. Not all of the folks that read these threads live in TV, but in the surrounding area.

What’s with the crabby people requiring a reason for the post? The OP said they thought it was interesting and it is for some and not for others. Why bash the person if you don’t find it interesting? Get a life!

G.R.I.T.S. 11-27-2021 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orvil (Post 2033746)
I thought this might be of interest.

‘Their goal is to bleed owners dry.’ $34 million victory in Florida HOA lawsuit is rare, experts say
Trevor Fraser, Orlando Sentinel - Yesterday 4:42 PM
133 Comments



© Rich Pope/Orlando Sentinel/TNS

When Martin Kessler moved to the Solivita development in Poinciana, Florida in 2008, he says he quickly realized it was a big mistake. This was the first place the 97-year-old had ever lived with a homeowners association.

“Living in an HOA is not really a pleasant thing for a resident,” Kessler said. A retired economist, he said the fee he was required to pay was “a capitalist’s perfect dream of a business. People must join whether they like it or not, and they pay all the expenses of the business.”

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Kessler is among more than 5,000 members of the 55-plus community locked in a class action lawsuit since 2017 against Solivita developer Avatar Properties, which they allege improperly collected HOA fees. On Nov. 2, Polk County, Florida, Circuit Judge Wayne Durden awarded the residents $34.8 million.

“That’s the biggest award I’ve ever heard of,” said Harvella Jones, president of the National Homeowners Advocate Group. Based in Texas, Jones’ organization specializes in helping people fight HOAs and lobbies for homeowner protections. “We get calls from all over the country, but no one has ever reported to us a win as large as (Solivita).”

Experts agree that fighting HOAs is hard for residents and big wins are even rarer. In Florida, HOAs govern more than 44% of the population, according to research by analysts at iProperty Management.

With fees that can reach into the thousands of dollars from an estimated 3.5 million homes in the state, HOAs can make lawsuits long and costly for residents.

“Their goal is to bleed owners dry,” said Jan Bergemann, president of Cyber Citizens for Justice, a homeowner’s advocacy group based in DeLand. “They will hit you with motion after motion, tie it up for years.”

HOAs are infamous for limiting what signs can go up yards, raising free speech issues. They sometimes even ban basketball goals or other sports equipment from yards or tell residents how many cars they can have. A Florida HOA was accused this month of threatening a family with a $100 a day fine for putting up Christmas lights too early.

Avatar, which was purchased by homebuilder Taylor Morrison in 2018, developed Solivita and other communities in Poinciana in the early 2000s. Avatar also built amenities such as pools and clubhouses. When the time came to turn management of the community over to the Poinciana Community Development District, Avatar wanted to sell them to the community for $73 million.

But there was a problem. A certified appraiser said the amenities were only worth about a quarter of that.

“I was immediately against it. It was the most stupid thing in the world,” Kessler said.

Avatar based its number on the future value of a roughly $86 a month club fee they were charging, said attorney Carter Andersen of Bush Ross in Tampa, who represented the residents. That fee, the lawsuit alleged, was illegal. Residents couldn’t opt out of it and could even have their homes foreclosed upon for nonpayment.

Taylor Morrison, who has handled the defense in this case since acquiring Avatar, did not return requests for comment for this story.

Andersen said the $34 million figure is only the beginning. He estimates another $27 million in pre-judgment interest, and at least $4 million in fees collected this year that were not added to the ruling.

There will also be, Andersen estimates, $5 million to $10 million in attorneys’ fees for the two firms that represented the residents. The case was taken on a contingency with no retainer from the residents, which means it was a gamble for the lawyers who fought for it.

Bergemann says it’s rare to find attorneys who will take such a complicated case without some assurance of payment. “Unfortunately, wins [such as Solivita] would be very common if the owners had the money,” he said.

Bergemann says he’s spoken to attorneys who want thousands of dollars just to get building documents residents should be able to see anyway. “And who just has that?” he said.

Jones said another problem residents face is harassment for speaking up, which she says happens when residents don’t act together. “You can’t have one or two people taking the brunt of everything,” she said.

For Jones, much of the problem is a lack of government oversight. She says many HOA board members cling to their power.

“Even when we have rules about elections, they still won’t hold [to] them,” she said. “If you can’t get rid of them, that’s the main problem.”

Jones got started fighting a homeowners association in the 1990s when she lost her Texas home for nonpayment of HOA fees. “They take advantage of foreclosures, which is why they should be regulated,” she said.

Although Andersen says the Solivita case is likely to be appealed by the developer, Bergemann said wins such as Solivita’s are important because they can create a domino effect leading to more victories for homeowners around the state.

“Homeowners have rights but they often aren’t being enforced,” he said. “[HOAs] don’t want decisions coming down for homeowners.”

The win gives hope to people such as Slade Chelbian, a resident of the Bellalago community in Poinciana, also built by Avatar.

Chelbian has been a plaintiff in a class-action suit for the same activity that led to the Solivita suit since 2019.

“This was great news in the fight to stop this sort of action,” Chelbian wrote in an email. “This makes me believe we can win this action in court.”

For Chelbian, winning would mean an end to the fee he’s been challenging.

“Defeat is the status quo,” which he said is, “paying the developer a mandatory ‘for profit’ fee forever. That is not fair.”

I, too, would like to know what is of interest? My guess is that someone isn’t happy with living with deed restrictions TO WHICH THEY AGREED when purchasing in TV. My advice: go away.

Ski Bum 11-27-2021 08:38 AM

The main point I took away was not the HOA dues and restrictions, but that the developer wanted to charge the HOA for all assets when it turned them over. In TV, those assets are built into the price of the home and bond. Need a little more info on why the developer thought they could charge on the way out. Actually, it was the future value of the amenity fees they wanted compensated for? Obviously, they can't because they lost.

Mortal1 11-27-2021 08:40 AM

useless posting

Serendipatti 11-27-2021 09:53 AM

After living in two HOA communities over the years and hearing people complain about having to put their trash cans away, not being allowed to park in street overnight, or have to pick up dog poop, all I say to them now is “why the hell did you pick an HOA community if you didn’t want to follow rules - that makes zero sense!”

Jim 9922 11-27-2021 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ski Bum (Post 2034258)
The main point I took away was not the HOA dues and restrictions, but that the developer wanted to charge the HOA for all assets when it turned them over. In TV, those assets are built into the price of the home and bond. Need a little more info on why the developer thought they could charge on the way out. Actually, it was the future value of the amenity fees they wanted compensated for? Obviously, they can't because they lost.

The Villages Developer sells the rec. centers and certain other amenities such as the executive golf courses to the CDD's after the build-out of a major area is completed. The price is determined based upon an appraisal which is usually based upon the discounted value of future amenity fees. The purchase is funded by the sale of bonds which becomes an obligation of the CDD's and the within the CDD's budgets payment of "rent" to the Developer now replaced by the principal and interest payments due on the new bonds. Until the sale, the Developer owns and maintains the facilities for which the CDD's pay rent. That is why they can operate sales centers, open and close restaurants, "remodel" areas at will, etc., etc. Until the "take-over" of the facilities by the CDD's, rent for use of the facilities is paid to the developer by the CDD's. The system has worked pretty well in the past for The Villages except for the $100 million settlement awarded years ago to the CDD's north of HY 466. I think the principal contention in the award was lack of proper maintenance of the facilities before the sale. That provided those CDD's a nice "reserve fund" to help with unexpected repairs and projects and is funding a large portion of the new First Responders' recreational area.

donfey 11-27-2021 10:19 AM

Not of interest?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 2033884)
It is not.

Then why did you read it?

PugMom 11-27-2021 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djean1981 (Post 2033851)
How is this very long post related to The Villages (which does not have an HOA)?
It would be great if there were a "thumbs down" feature; and after so many down votes, the post disappears. :)

i usually rate the thread, but maybe op is saying how lucky we are that we haven't got 1 here>?

Cybersprings 11-27-2021 10:49 AM

[QUOTE=Djean1981;2033851]How is this very long post related to The Villages (which does not have an HOA)?
It would be great if there were a "thumbs down" feature; and after so many down votes, the post disappears. :)[/QUOTE

Or if there was at least the ability to scroll on and ignore the post ….oh wait…

Tsalla Apopka 11-27-2021 11:24 AM

Good
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim 9922 (Post 2034297)
The Villages Developer sells the rec. centers and certain other amenities such as the executive golf courses to the CDD's after the build-out of a major area is completed. The price is determined based upon an appraisal which is usually based upon the discounted value of future amenity fees. The purchase is funded by the sale of bonds which becomes an obligation of the CDD's and the within the CDD's budgets payment of "rent" to the Developer now replaced by the principal and interest payments due on the new bonds. Until the sale, the Developer owns and maintains the facilities for which the CDD's pay rent. That is why they can operate sales centers, open and close restaurants, "remodel" areas at will, etc., etc. Until the "take-over" of the facilities by the CDD's, rent for use of the facilities is paid to the developer by the CDD's. The system has worked pretty well in the past for The Villages except for the $100 million settlement awarded years ago to the CDD's north of HY 466. I think the principal contention in the award was lack of proper maintenance of the facilities before the sale. That provided those CDD's a nice "reserve fund" to help with unexpected repairs and projects and is funding a large portion of the new First Responders' recreational area.

This is the most correct and logical reply I've seen so far.
DEVELOPERS OF PROPERTY/COMMUNITIES ARE BUSINESSES - NOT FRIENDLY NEIGHBORS.
Sale of a business always includes the businesses potential earnings. The homeowner dues are the earnings of the business. I'd take the value of the amenities, the value of 10 years of dues minus the cost of operation/maintenance and repairs and come up with sale price.
Some of the numbers in previous posts don't sound that far off.

Bogie Shooter 11-27-2021 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortal1 (Post 2034260)
useless posting

….:what:

Marathon Man 11-27-2021 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by donfey (Post 2034300)
Then why did you read it?

I didn't. Why the concern?

Marathon Man 11-27-2021 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Teemotay (Post 2034246)
I also liked the original post. Not all of the folks that read these threads live in TV, but in the surrounding area.

What’s with the crabby people requiring a reason for the post? The OP said they thought it was interesting and it is for some and not for others. Why bash the person if you don’t find it interesting? Get a life!

Why bash people who make comments?

Velvet 11-27-2021 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S. (Post 2034250)
I, too, would like to know what is of interest? My guess is that someone isn’t happy with living with deed restrictions TO WHICH THEY AGREED when purchasing in TV. My advice: go away.

We bought in TV partly BECAUSE of the deed restrictions. If one does not like them they should not buy here. It is similar to; if you do not like to eat quiche Florentine, don’t buy it!

Arctic Fox 11-27-2021 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2034315)
Or if there was at least the ability to scroll on and ignore the post ….oh wait…

I thought it was in our deeds that we have to read every post and criticize those with which we don't agree?

Bilyclub 11-27-2021 07:20 PM

Bravo to the posters who just had to have the whole lengthy original post in their reply.

frose 01-16-2022 04:37 PM

how about the moorse's they created them not god. god is not THAT stupid,

Bogie Shooter 01-16-2022 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by frose (Post 2050494)
how about the moorse's they created them not god. god is not THAT stupid,

What is it you are talking about?

Bjeanj 01-16-2022 07:21 PM

I read the post accidentally, thinking some part of it would be relevant to living in The Villages, but I was mistaken.

Stu from NYC 01-16-2022 09:06 PM

I thought this was an interesting thread, if people lose interest in reading it they can just go on to the next post

montagnard1969 01-16-2022 11:37 PM

Read and know the law
 
This post was full of balloon juice. Educate yourselves folks. Florida Statutes 720 governs HOA’s and 718 governs condo associations. There are plenty of ways to rid the board of irresponsible or control freaks being on the board. Beginning in 2018 members may only serve on the board for a maximum of 8 years. READ AND KNOW THE LAW, attend HOA Expos, take online courses offered by attorneys and HOA organizations. This sounds like the typical “media enhancement” to gain attention and ratings, in addition to scaring the heck out of people. Sounds similar to other issues in the media, doesn't it?.

CWGUY 01-17-2022 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by frose (Post 2050494)
how about the moorse's they created them not god. god is not THAT stupid,

:what:

Love2Swim 01-17-2022 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Teemotay (Post 2034246)
I also liked the original post. Not all of the folks that read these threads live in TV, but in the surrounding area.

What’s with the crabby people requiring a reason for the post? The OP said they thought it was interesting and it is for some and not for others. Why bash the person if you don’t find it interesting? Get a life!

Agree. Too many whiners on this site. If you don't find it interesting, just move along to another post. Wow.


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