4 way stop suggested in Brownwood
 

I'm not sure who to contact but with traffic increasing I would like to suggest a 4 way versus 2 way stop be installed at the crossing of W. Torch Lake Dr. and Shady Nook Run in Brownwood. This is the corner where the Villages Golf Cars is located. It is also the intersection where most of the carts coming from the bridge and other locations enter Brownwood.

The reason for my suggestion is close calls and watching other ones.

Agree totally. There are so many signs around there, new people and others don't know whether to stop or not. Lots of honking going on too.

It looks like at one point it was a 4 way stop. The white lines on Torch Lake were covered in black paint. The problem is that a lot of drivers are assuming it's a 4 way stop and when they do this on Torch Lake it screws up the traffic flow. Then there's the inpatient and sometimes clueless on Shady Nook just assuming it's a 4 way stop or just forcing their way in causing accidents.

4-way stops in Brownwood
 

I agree with your suggested intersection but add the intersection where Meggison spills into Brownwood in front of Cody's. People speed up to make the light crossing 44 on Meggison and carry some speed into that 1st intersection. WATCH OUT IF YOU ARE CROSSING THERE!

The trouble with a four way stop is who goes first. Rules as I regularly point out few know the rules and fewer still will follow them.

Four people arrive at the stop sign at the same time. Who goes first?

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The one who didn't actually stop and just rolls through the intersection;
The one with biggest truck;
The one whose back-off timer expires first; or,
The one with the least amount of patience.

Could solve the problem with traffic circle!

it should go to the right, no? person on my R goes 1st, then next car on R of him, & so forth?

Roundabout

Stop light.

Good call and the best solution. Many treat it as a 4-way stop; however, those who know it's not run the risk of being T-boned if they continue through the intersection.

Re-design all of the entrances to Brownwood so that all traffic, autos, trucks, golf cars, bikes, etc. have to go into a parking lot and stay there, only pedestrians should be allowed on the streets. Problem solved and room for more bars and street vendors.

I've sent an email to Sumter County concerning this suggestion.

Thanks for the input.

*yawn* it's no big deal. if you have a stop sign you don't go until the cross traffic is clear. anything else just has it's own problems. perhaps if you can't figure it out or deal with it you shouldn't be driving. now there's a unique point of view eh?

you da man what you said.....its not confusing pay attention thats all it takes No need to complicate things further:MOJE_whot::boom:

I would support making the actual roads around the squares pedestrian and golf cart only, even if only after 4Pm every day.
I’ve seen many close calls with cars backing out of parking sports at LSL and Brownwood, around the squares.

That is why, as I said, four way stop signs are not a good idea.

All stop signs are suggestions anyway. But when LEO in the mix all sudden everybody knows how to negotiate them.

Good job. Bear in mind that most people commenting on this have no idea that the intersection you described is now a major thoroughfare for golf carts coming off the rec trail from both directions .

The one with the biggest vehicle.

The danger issue is that golf carts can’t see around the parked cars until they pull into the intersection. It’s a bad accident ready to happen.

How to proceed at a four way stop.

https://www.**************.com/2018/...four-way-stop/

Simpler solution is add Cross Traffic Does Not Stop signs to those intersection Stop signs. Won’t eliminate the problem but will help a lot.

Actually, there is a terrible visibility problem at that intersection. A traffic light would help as long as it is not on a timer, and actually monitors the traffic.

Sad isn't it.

We need more rules because people don't follow the ones we already have? Sounds like the Federal government...

The trouble with adding stop signs is that they spread like wildfire. You add signs at that intersection and within a year every intersection at Brownwood will be a 4 way stop.

I believe that there are already several 4 way plus one three way stop signs in Brownwood that have been there since the beginning.

I have seen several people on W Torch Lake stop for the other traffic.
I noticed that they did away with the four way stop going into Lowes off of 466A.
Probably why they did away with the one at W Torch Lake...
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I received a nice reply from the CDD in charge of this issue. There had been a traffic study done some time in the past indicating a 4 way stop was not necessary.

However, the Director of the District Property Management has said he will go review the situation himself.

I appreciated the responsiveness from the Director.

Glad you received a response and that the Director will go there to review. I hope he sits on a park bench and watches. I go through that intersection often. It definitely needs a 4 way stop. (1) Many people come to a complete stop even though they have the right of way. (2) You see people motioning others to proceed through because no one knows who should go next. (3) Golf cart drivers do legal u-turns to pull in front of the golf cart store which causes flow disruptions.

Now, with increased traffic (vehicle, cart) going through that intersection, I hope they put in a 4 way stop.

It is a 10 mph limit in that area. There is no problem getting through that intersection safely. All it takes is a little bit of patience.

Lousy drivers
 

Lousy drivers can't be fixed by more signs or less signs. People driving the cars and carts are the problem.

No problem?
 

Speed limit signs are routinely ignored by, seemingly, most.
There is often poor view of oncoming traffic.
"All it takes is a little bit of patience". The nearly non-stop flow of traffic at times seems to stretch the patience of many to the nearly breaking point, and many get antsy and try pushing their way into traffic creating potential hazard.

I agree with OP. I'm a very confident driver, and I've watched vehicles departing the Square, and flying thru that intersection, making it a challenge to cross.

Also, I think the intersection at Colony Blvd needs to be addressed, as well.