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billethkid 12-15-2021 06:50 PM

What are the options for those who cannot be vaccinated.
 
We have a friend who has had allergy issues with vaccines her entire life. It has been recommended she not get any of the 3 vaccines currently available.

I have read some about regeneron and ivermectin and still looking.

One would think that those in the medical profession that are recommending against vaccination would recommend alternatives. There must be hundreds of thousands who can not be vaccinated for medical reasons.

I never gave it a thought until recently being made aware!

rustyp 12-15-2021 06:52 PM

Isolation

billethkid 12-15-2021 07:03 PM

If I could correct the title I would replace "options" with "alternatives".

Dana1963 12-15-2021 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2039978)
We have a friend who has had allergy issues with vaccines her entire life. It has been recommended she not get any of the 3 vaccines currently available.

I have read some about regeneron and ivermectin and still looking.

One would think that those in the medical profession that are recommending against vaccination would recommend alternatives. There must be hundreds of thousands who can not be vaccinated for medical reasons.

I never gave it a thought until recently being made aware!

Your question has been beaten to death for months on the internet. Your friends Physician would the person to advise the best treatment.

asianthree 12-16-2021 02:26 AM

We have immediate family that physician strongly recommended against vaccine. Their physicians have a different protocol set for each one.

Sharing protocols, would be the same as you offering your friend the prescriptions in your medicine cabinet, because they work for you, they may work for your friend. NOT…

The answers you are looking for, is within their physicians care.

Bay Kid 12-16-2021 07:22 AM

Such a shame but she will be treated like she has leprosy. She will be required to be constantly tested. Life sure has changed.

billethkid 12-16-2021 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 2040064)
Such a shame but she will be treated like she has leprosy. She will be required to be constantly tested. Life sure has changed.

That is exactly what is happening by some neighbors and even certain family members.....even though they are fully vaccinated...and she religiously wears N97 masks!

Fear driven by ignorance....(my opinion).

blueash 12-16-2021 10:22 AM

I would get another physician's opinion. Having allergies is NOT a contraindication to getting vaccines. Only if this person has a specific known allergy to one of the components in the Covid vaccine is there any certain reason to avoid it. And only immediate anaphylactic reactions count. Otherwise a person can be vaccinated and watched safely.

Be aware just like there are anti-vaccine politicians there are anti-vaccine doctors who let their political affiliations color their medical opinions. "Problems" with vaccines as the OP wrote is not the same as having an immediate allergic reaction. If your arm swelled up the next day or you got a lump that lasted several weeks, or a fever, those are not immediate allergic reactions, those are side effects. We all got them from our Covid shots, and maybe flu shots and tetanus shots too.

Quote:

If you have had an immediate allergic reaction—even if it was not severe—to a vaccine or injectable therapy for another disease, ask your doctor if you should get a COVID-19 vaccine
Note that this CDC advice does not say that you cannot get the shot even with a previous immediate reaction. You may have reacted to a specific part of another vaccine that is not in the Covid vaccine. You can be skin tested for allergy to vaccines before you receive them. This is a well established technique for children to get shots when there is a question of safety.

Here is the link to the CDC recommendation on how to evaluate whether allergies should alter the Covid vaccine plan

The key sentence is:
Quote:

CDC recommends that people get vaccinated even if they have a history of severe allergic reactions not related to vaccines or injectable medications—such as food, pet, venom, environmental, or latex allergies. People with a history of allergies to oral medications or a family history of severe allergic reactions may also get vaccinated.
If your doctor is not giving you this advice, you need to ask why they are ignoring the CDC's opinion. If your doctor tells you they know more about allergies to vaccines than those at the CDC, consider getting a new doctor.

Koapaka 12-16-2021 10:25 AM

It's a choice people...how many of you ever questioned your neighbors about did they get their flu shot before??? How many of you ran out and got your kids HPV immunizations when they first came out?? Things that make ya go hummmm.......COVID Vaccine Invented before Outbreak – Undercurrents

justjim 12-16-2021 10:38 AM

There are allergy doctors and I would go to one of them for tests and advice. Your Primary Doctor should refer you to an allergist-Immunologist. If he/she will not, I would be in search of a “new” Primary Doctor.

DAVES 12-16-2021 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2039978)
We have a friend who has had allergy issues with vaccines her entire life. It has been recommended she not get any of the 3 vaccines currently available.

I have read some about regeneron and ivermectin and still looking.

One would think that those in the medical profession that are recommending against vaccination would recommend alternatives. There must be hundreds of thousands who can not be vaccinated for medical reasons.

I never gave it a thought until recently being made aware!

Your intentions are good. Your friend should ask her doctor. Her DOCTOR should know what she is allergic to and if it is in these vaccines. Perhaps, the same issue. I read someone who posted that ????? a sister is allergic to nickle, which is used in the stainless steel hypodermic needles. Truly a simple issue. Hypodermic needles were made of non-stainless steel in the past. There are ones made of plastic

Seeking medical advice here, from people who do not know what the issue is does not make sense.

B-flat 12-16-2021 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Koapaka (Post 2040190)
It's a choice people...how many of you ever questioned your neighbors about did they get their flu shot before??? How many of you ran out and got your kids HPV immunizations when they first came out?? Things that make ya go hummmm.......COVID Vaccine Invented before Outbreak – Undercurrents

I've been doing a lot of hmmmming lately myself........you've brought up a couple of good points!

Djean1981 12-17-2021 01:27 AM

This is a question for her doctor, who is familiar with her medical history.

Sniffer 12-17-2021 06:39 AM

Ivermectin

wsachs 12-17-2021 07:01 AM

Wondering how she got this far without getting shots for school/military. Florida requires the following for K-12 schools: four or five doses of Dipththeria-tetanus-pertussis (DTa), for or fives doses of inactivated polio vaccine, two doses of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR), one tetanus-diphtheria-pertussis (Tdap), two doses of Varicella (chickenpox). Those are required for childcare or daycare or non public schools. How did she get through school?

PersonalChoice 12-17-2021 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by wsachs (Post 2040461)
Wondering how she got this far without getting shots for school/military. Florida requires the following for K-12 schools: four or five doses of Dipththeria-tetanus-pertussis (DTa), for or fives doses of inactivated polio vaccine, two doses of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR), one tetanus-diphtheria-pertussis (Tdap), two doses of Varicella (chickenpox). Those are required for childcare or daycare or non public schools. How did she get through school?

Every state has exemptions, and parents need to do their own research.

GeriS 12-17-2021 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2039978)
We have a friend who has had allergy issues with vaccines her entire life. It has been recommended she not get any of the 3 vaccines currently available.

I have read some about regeneron and ivermectin and still looking.

One would think that those in the medical profession that are recommending against vaccination would recommend alternatives. There must be hundreds of thousands who can not be vaccinated for medical reasons.

I never gave it a thought until recently being made aware!

staying alive

joelfmi 12-17-2021 08:06 AM

My pen is my harp and mylyre my library is my garden and my orchard.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2039978)
We have a friend who has had allergy issues with vaccines her entire life. It has been recommended she not get any of the 3 vaccines currently available.

I have read some about regeneron and ivermectin and still looking.

One would think that those in the medical profession that are recommending against vaccination would recommend alternatives. There must be hundreds of thousands who can not be vaccinated for medical reasons.

I never gave it a thought until recently being made aware!

Posted Dec 15, 2021
THE PUBLIC. DID YOU KNOW THEY CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE
An Update on Current Therapeutic Drugs Treating COVID-19
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32395418
In this review, we will update and summarize the most common and plausible drugs for the treatment of COVID-19 patients. These drugs and therapeutic agents include antiviral agents (remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine, lopinavir, umifenovir, favipiravir, and oseltamivir), and supporting agents (Ascorbic acid, Azithromycin, Corticosteroids, Nitric oxide, IL-6 antagonists), among others.
Therapeutic Options for COVID-19 Patients | CDC
Healthcare Workers: Information on COVID-19 | CDC...
FDA has approved one drug, remdesivir (Veklury), for the treatment of COVID-19 in hospitalized patients aged 12 years and older who weigh at least 40 kg. Early effective treatment of any disease can help avert progression to more serious illness, especially for patients at high risk of disease progression and severe illness, with the additional benefit of reducing the burden on healthcare systems.
Antiviral Therapy | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines
Therapies | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines...
Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are antimalarial drugs that were studied to treat COVID-19. Ivermectin Ivermectin is an antiparasitic drug that is being evaluated to treat COVID-19. Lopinavir/Ritonavir and Other HIV Protease Inhibitors Protease inhibitors are antiretroviral drugs for HIV that were studied as treatments for COVID-19. Nitazoxanide
see less

Vicxyz 12-17-2021 08:11 AM

Vladimir Zelenko MD

bruce213 12-17-2021 08:16 AM

Yes let's NOT share smething that could save someones life.

Cliff Fr 12-17-2021 08:25 AM

Vitamin D3 and zinc supplements are good immune system boosters. Also gargling with Listerine a every few days

Andyb 12-17-2021 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2039978)
We have a friend who has had allergy issues with vaccines her entire life. It has been recommended she not get any of the 3 vaccines currently available.

I have read some about regeneron and ivermectin and still looking.

One would think that those in the medical profession that are recommending against vaccination would recommend alternatives. There must be hundreds of thousands who can not be vaccinated for medical reasons.

I never gave it a thought until recently being made aware!

There are many successful treatments, go to Front Line Covid-19 critical care alliance website for info. Thank goodness we have a proactive intelligent Governor who open Monoclonal antibody treatment centers, one in the Villages. Florida has the fewest cases in the country due to his leadership.

Andyb 12-17-2021 08:29 AM

Flccc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2039978)
We have a friend who has had allergy issues with vaccines her entire life. It has been recommended she not get any of the 3 vaccines currently available.

I have read some about regeneron and ivermectin and still looking.

One would think that those in the medical profession that are recommending against vaccination would recommend alternatives. There must be hundreds of thousands who can not be vaccinated for medical reasons.

I never gave it a thought until recently being made aware!

There are many successful treatments, go to Front Line Covid-19 critical care alliance website for info. Thank goodness we have a proactive intelligent Governor who open Monoclonal antibody treatment centers, one in the Villages. Florida has the fewest cases in the country due to his leadership.

waterflower 12-17-2021 08:36 AM

Cdc== is a vaccine, patient holding== big pharma lobbyist. They do not care about your health

Bill14564 12-17-2021 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 2040515)
There are many successful treatments, go to Front Line Covid-19 critical care alliance website for info. Thank goodness we have a proactive intelligent Governor who open Monoclonal antibody treatment centers, one in the Villages. Florida has the fewest cases in the country due to his leadership.

Wasn't he also the Governor back in August and September when Florida set records for having the most cases in the country? Does he get credit for that as well?

Just for the sake of accuracy, there are four states with fewer cases than Florida and two other states with about the same number. Florida is currently in the bottom ten but does not have the fewest cases in the country.

And a final thought: monoclonal antibody treatment does not prevent cases, it helps prevent serious illness in those who have Covid. Vaccines also prevent serious illness but they also work to prevent cases in the first place.

CaptainMeso 12-17-2021 09:00 AM

Go to www.AmericasFrontline Doctors.org and in the drop down under Covid check out the protocol's and/or treatments tabs. As a matter of fact read through their entire site and if she wants a consultation from a doctor they have links for that too. It's a good site for "alternatives" or simply education you may not get from the mainstream media or other doctors.
Best of luck and Merry Christmas.

billethkid 12-17-2021 09:04 AM

Seeking dialogue was/is not intended to solicit "medical advice"!

COLTempleton 12-17-2021 09:33 AM

Vaccine Allergy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2039978)
We have a friend who has had allergy issues with vaccines her entire life. It has been recommended she not get any of the 3 vaccines currently available.

I have read some about regeneron and ivermectin and still looking.

One would think that those in the medical profession that are recommending against vaccination would recommend alternatives. There must be hundreds of thousands who can not be vaccinated for medical reasons.

I never gave it a thought until recently being made aware!

It sounds like your friend has an egg allergy - which encompasses 95% of vaccine allergies. I have NEVER heard of an allergy to RNA. Think about it.

jscocco 12-17-2021 09:53 AM

Yes there are many people who cannot take any of these vaccines, so why are they being condemned by this administration? With all the money Fauci controls where’s the research? Besides, theses vaccines don’t stop the spread, so it’s Booster after Boostereven for children.

OrangeBlossomBaby 12-17-2021 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2039978)
We have a friend who has had allergy issues with vaccines her entire life. It has been recommended she not get any of the 3 vaccines currently available.

I have read some about regeneron and ivermectin and still looking.

One would think that those in the medical profession that are recommending against vaccination would recommend alternatives. There must be hundreds of thousands who can not be vaccinated for medical reasons.

I never gave it a thought until recently being made aware!

The same alternatives that were standard before the vaccines came out:

Wear a mask.
Social distance.
Wash your hands.

You can also make sure she's taking the appropriate amount of Vitamin D3 - too much is bad, not enough isn't helfpul. Her physician would recommend the right dosage for her, based on her current D levels, weight, age, and I believe bone density as well (I might be wrong on the bone density).

OrangeBlossomBaby 12-17-2021 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainMeso (Post 2040540)
Go to www.AmericasFrontline Doctors.org and in the drop down under Covid check out the protocol's and/or treatments tabs. As a matter of fact read through their entire site and if she wants a consultation from a doctor they have links for that too. It's a good site for "alternatives" or simply education you may not get from the mainstream media or other doctors.
Best of luck and Merry Christmas.

Do NOT go to america's frontline doctors. They are an alt-right anti-vax anti-rx snake-oil-selling organization that exists to create enough fear in you to convince you to spend thousands of dollars on unproven, untested, and in some cases - unsafe - "alternative" medicines. They are also a political organization, not an actual medical group.

They are quacks.

OrangeBlossomBaby 12-17-2021 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joelfmi (Post 2040499)
Posted Dec 15, 2021
THE PUBLIC. DID YOU KNOW THEY CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE
An Update on Current Therapeutic Drugs Treating COVID-19
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32395418
In this review, we will update and summarize the most common and plausible drugs for the treatment of COVID-19 patients. These drugs and therapeutic agents include antiviral agents (remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine, lopinavir, umifenovir, favipiravir, and oseltamivir), and supporting agents (Ascorbic acid, Azithromycin, Corticosteroids, Nitric oxide, IL-6 antagonists), among others.
Therapeutic Options for COVID-19 Patients | CDC
Healthcare Workers: Information on COVID-19 | CDC...
FDA has approved one drug, remdesivir (Veklury), for the treatment of COVID-19 in hospitalized patients aged 12 years and older who weigh at least 40 kg. Early effective treatment of any disease can help avert progression to more serious illness, especially for patients at high risk of disease progression and severe illness, with the additional benefit of reducing the burden on healthcare systems.
Antiviral Therapy | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines
Therapies | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines...
Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are antimalarial drugs that were studied to treat COVID-19. Ivermectin Ivermectin is an antiparasitic drug that is being evaluated to treat COVID-19. Lopinavir/Ritonavir and Other HIV Protease Inhibitors Protease inhibitors are antiretroviral drugs for HIV that were studied as treatments for COVID-19. Nitazoxanide
see less

None of that is PREVENTATIVE, and ivermectin has already been discounted - by both independent science and by the manufacturer of the product itself, which warns people to NOT use it for COVID-19. Re-read this - the company that profits most from the sale of ivermectin - the company that MAKES the stuff, is telling you NOT to buy it for COVID-19. That SHOULD be enough to convince you to not use it for COVID-19. If it isn't, then hopefully you won't meet Darwin's ghost on your way out. He will laugh at you.

kendi 12-17-2021 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2039978)
We have a friend who has had allergy issues with vaccines her entire life. It has been recommended she not get any of the 3 vaccines currently available.

I have read some about regeneron and ivermectin and still looking.

One would think that those in the medical profession that are recommending against vaccination would recommend alternatives. There must be hundreds of thousands who can not be vaccinated for medical reasons.

I never gave it a thought until recently being made aware!

Keep the immune system strong which includes diet, rest, low stress, exercise, time outdoors and healthy social connections. Below are a couple of interesting articles to consider.

Why Your Body Needs Zinc

Doctor’s Advice on Early Treatment for COVID-19

New Research Review Says HCQ Plus Zinc Reduces COVID-19 Deaths

OrangeBlossomBaby 12-17-2021 10:25 AM

The Epoch Times is a far-right extremist publication run by the Falon Gong religious cult. It is a conspiracy-theory broadsheet that exists primarily to trash China. That means it'll make things up about COVID-19 as long as it pushes their "China did this on purpose" agenda. It has already made up multiple conspiracies about China, many of which are actually believed by certain members of American citizenry. Even though it's all fiction.

If they can spin fiction to make it sound like truth, and the result is you trust China less, then they'll do so. They are not a reliable source, even on actual factual data.

Experienced Housesitter 12-17-2021 10:27 AM

An option for no jab
 
https://
kodfreedom.
org/

Gives you an option to Not Consent.

croughwell 12-17-2021 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bay kid (Post 2040064)
such a shame but she will be treated like she has leprosy. She will be required to be constantly tested. Life sure has changed.

life certainly isn't fair...

Lea N 12-17-2021 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cliff Fr (Post 2040508)
Vitamin D3 and zinc supplements are good immune system boosters. Also gargling with Listerine a every few days

Good suggestion for helping to build a stronger immune system. I've heard vitamin B6 and C help too. As well as Thieves essential oil in a diffuser and other ways that essential oils are used at home. Do research on this on essential oils for more info.

Mmhrdh0529 12-17-2021 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joelfmi (Post 2040499)
Posted Dec 15, 2021
THE PUBLIC. DID YOU KNOW THEY CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE
An Update on Current Therapeutic Drugs Treating COVID-19
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32395418
In this review, we will update and summarize the most common and plausible drugs for the treatment of COVID-19 patients. These drugs and therapeutic agents include antiviral agents (remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine, lopinavir, umifenovir, favipiravir, and oseltamivir), and supporting agents (Ascorbic acid, Azithromycin, Corticosteroids, Nitric oxide, IL-6 antagonists), among others.
Therapeutic Options for COVID-19 Patients | CDC
Healthcare Workers: Information on COVID-19 | CDC...
FDA has approved one drug, remdesivir (Veklury), for the treatment of COVID-19 in hospitalized patients aged 12 years and older who weigh at least 40 kg. Early effective treatment of any disease can help avert progression to more serious illness, especially for patients at high risk of disease progression and severe illness, with the additional benefit of reducing the burden on healthcare systems.
Antiviral Therapy | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines
Therapies | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines...
Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are antimalarial drugs that were studied to treat COVID-19. Ivermectin Ivermectin is an antiparasitic drug that is being evaluated to treat COVID-19. Lopinavir/Ritonavir and Other HIV Protease Inhibitors Protease inhibitors are antiretroviral drugs for HIV that were studied as treatments for COVID-19. Nitazoxanide
see less

Remdesivir has a 23 percent chance of kidney failure and it can also lead to liver and multi organ failure. In a year long study of Ebola and 4 different drugs remdesivir was pulled from the study after 6 months because over half of the patients died on it.

UpNorth 12-17-2021 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2040589)
None of that is PREVENTATIVE, and ivermectin has already been discounted - by both independent science and by the manufacturer of the product itself, which warns people to NOT use it for COVID-19. Re-read this - the company that profits most from the sale of ivermectin - the company that MAKES the stuff, is telling you NOT to buy it for COVID-19. That SHOULD be enough to convince you to not use it for COVID-19. If it isn't, then hopefully you won't meet Darwin's ghost on your way out. He will laugh at you.

Merck's patent for Ivermectin ran out years ago, so it is generic and cheap. Merck now has a "new" antiviral drug, patented, of course, that works similar to Ivermectin. Of course they don't want you to use Ivermectin, despite years of use with little to no side effects. Follow the money.

Bay Kid 12-18-2021 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kendi (Post 2040595)
Keep the immune system strong which includes diet, rest, low stress, exercise, time outdoors and healthy social connections. Below are a couple of interesting articles to consider.

Why Your Body Needs Zinc

Doctor’s Advice on Early Treatment for COVID-19

New Research Review Says HCQ Plus Zinc Reduces COVID-19 Deaths

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