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sohappytobehere 01-18-2022 03:58 PM

You can order 4 free Covid tests
 
Right now, you can order 4 free Covid tests at covidtests.gov. I just ordered ours. Simple!

Love2Swim 01-18-2022 04:43 PM

Thank you for posting!

Lark7 01-18-2022 06:32 PM

Does traditional Medicare pay for the cost of these “free” at-home covid tests?

Thank you.

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-18-2022 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lark7 (Post 2051303)
Does traditional Medicare pay for the cost of these “free” at-home covid tests?

Thank you.

Free is free. They don't ask you for your medical information. You can order it from the USPS (postal service) website: special.usps.com/testkits

You give your name, e-mail address, mailing address. That's it. They'll send you 4 test kits at the end of the month (though I imagine they'll be backlogged and would wait til mid-February before complaining that you didn't get your free tests).

billethkid 01-18-2022 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lark7 (Post 2051303)
Does traditional Medicare pay for the cost of these “free” at-home covid tests?

Thank you.

Just fill out the form on the website. It does not ask ANYTHING about insurance.
Once you put in address it shows number of tests = $0!!!!

golfing eagles 01-18-2022 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sohappytobehere (Post 2051279)
Right now, you can order 4 free Covid tests at covidtests.gov. I just ordered ours. Simple!

And now for the obvious question that I just asked of the other person who posted the same thing: Did you NEED them, or did you order them because they are "free'?

Bogie Shooter 01-18-2022 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2051310)
And now for the obvious question that I just asked of the other person who posted the same thing: Did you NEED them, or did you order them because they are "free'?

May need them by the time they get here.

retiredguy123 01-18-2022 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lark7 (Post 2051303)
Does traditional Medicare pay for the cost of these “free” at-home covid tests?

Thank you.

Apparently, the tests are free to anyone who wants to order them. Paid for by the taxpayers and not tied to Medicare. I don't think you need to prove anything, except that you have an address in the U.S. I hope they are not available to be shipped around the world at U.S. taxpayer expense.

sohappytobehere 01-18-2022 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2051310)
And now for the obvious question that I just asked of the other person who posted the same thing: Did you NEED them, or did you order them because they are "free'?

No, we don't need them right now. But if it should become necessary, I don't want to have to drive around locating one.

Altavia 01-18-2022 10:06 PM

CDC Guidance for when to self test.

Self-Testing | CDC

When to Consider Self-Testing

Self-tests may be used if you have COVID-19 symptoms or have been exposed or potentially exposed to an individual with COVID-19.

Even if you don’t have symptoms and have not been exposed to an individual with COVID-19, using a self-test before gathering indoors with others can give you information about the risk of spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. This is especially important before gathering with unvaccinated children, older individuals, those who are immunocompromised, or individuals at risk of severe disease.

A positive test result indicates that you likely have a current infection, and you should isolate and inform close contacts.

A negative test result indicates that you may not be infected and may be at low risk of spreading disease to others, though it does not rule out an infection. Repeating the test will increase the confidence that you are not infected. Performing serial tests, meaning two or more tests over several days with at least 24 hours between tests—with one test as close as possible to the event you will attend—improves the reliability of testing and reduces your risk of transmitting disease to others even further. Some self-tests require this type of repeat testing in the manufacturer’s instructions.

Correct sample collection is key to accurate results.

Self-Testing | CDC

drducat 01-19-2022 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 2051340)
CDC Guidance for when to self test.

Self-Testing | CDC

When to Consider Self-Testing

Self-tests may be used if you have COVID-19 symptoms or have been exposed or potentially exposed to an individual with COVID-19.

Even if you don’t have symptoms and have not been exposed to an individual with COVID-19, using a self-test before gathering indoors with others can give you information about the risk of spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. This is especially important before gathering with unvaccinated children, older individuals, those who are immunocompromised, or individuals at risk of severe disease.

A positive test result indicates that you likely have a current infection, and you should isolate and inform close contacts.

A negative test result indicates that you may not be infected and may be at low risk of spreading disease to others, though it does not rule out an infection. Repeating the test will increase the confidence that you are not infected. Performing serial tests, meaning two or more tests over several days with at least 24 hours between tests—with one test as close as possible to the event you will attend—improves the reliability of testing and reduces your risk of transmitting disease to others even further. Some self-tests require this type of repeat testing in the manufacturer’s instructions.

Correct sample collection is key to accurate results.

Self-Testing | CDC

Watch the case number grow 1000% in the next 2 weeks.......all the false positives..:rolleyes:

oldtimes 01-19-2022 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2051364)
Watch the case number grow 1000% in the next 2 weeks.......all the false positives..:rolleyes:

Exactly, I have zero confidence they will be accurate, just another waste of taxpayer money.

La lamy 01-19-2022 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2051364)
Watch the case number grow 1000% in the next 2 weeks.......all the false positives..:rolleyes:

I wonder more about the opposite. These testa are not as sensitive as PCR tests, so there may be more false negative ones, therefore more contagious people going about infecting others. I also wonder if these at home tests come with instructions to report somewhere if you're Covid positive...

golfing eagles 01-19-2022 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 2051368)
Exactly, I have zero confidence they will be accurate, just another waste of taxpayer money.

Agree. These home tests have a notoriously high rate of both false positives and false negatives, thus making their predictive value fairly low. Add to that most people will probably not insert the swab far enough, thus collecting an inadequate sample leading to a false negative result. All in all, I'm afraid this home testing plan is less COVID mitigation and more COVID mitigation theater.

golfing eagles 01-19-2022 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by La lamy (Post 2051376)
I wonder more about the opposite. These testa are not as sensitive as PCR tests, so there may be more false negative ones, therefore more contagious people going about infecting others. I also wonder if these at home tests come with instructions to report somewhere if you're Covid positive...

That's another good question----physicians and other testing sites are under a reporting mandate, home tests won't be. That's the main reason that home tests are not accepted for travel guidelines----no cruise ship or foreign government will accept test results gathered under the "honor system".

Byte1 01-19-2022 07:01 AM

More tests equals higher infection stats. Then the nay sayers can tell everyone how great all the other countries are because their stats are soooo much lower than ours. Like I have said before, just give me the stats on hospitalizations caused BY Covid and the death rate stats caused BY Covid. Not "WITH" covid. Like TB, a lot of folks can test positive for covid and not actually have symptoms. Our resident physician posters can correct me (and will) if I am incorrect on that statement.

nick demis 01-19-2022 07:04 AM

By the time the tests get to your mailbox, they expect the new variant will have already infected the entire population and be on its way out. Good timing to help anyone other than making everyone scared to death.

Love2Swim 01-19-2022 07:06 AM

Undoubtedly there will be the emergence of more variants. Who is to say how dangerous they might be? It will be good to have the tests on hand..

golfing eagles 01-19-2022 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 2051385)
Undoubtedly there will be the emergence of more variants. Who is to say how dangerous they might be? It will be good to have the tests on hand..

So, the contention is that the unreliable home tests will magically become much more reliable if a new variant arises? Will it necessarily even test for this unknown variant? What is the expiration date of these home tests? The question comes down to this: Does having a home test on hand "just in case" actually do anything, or does it just make some people "feel better". We simply don't know at this point. But I really am disinclined to support a $20 billion+ price tag to make someone "feel better"

Altavia 01-19-2022 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2051381)
More tests equals higher infection stats. Then the nay sayers can tell everyone how great all the other countries are because their stats are soooo much lower than ours. Like I have said before, just give me the stats on hospitalizations caused BY Covid and the death rate stats caused BY Covid. Not "WITH" covid. Like TB, a lot of folks can test positive for covid and not actually have symptoms. Our resident physician posters can correct me (and will) if I am incorrect on that statement.

Agree hospitalization are the most representative metric we have. Last time I checked, they were lower than Delta at its peak despite much higher infection rates

I'm not aware that home test results are reported?

COVID-19 Hospitalizations

Bay Kid 01-19-2022 07:24 AM

Yeah, it is free!

Bay Kid 01-19-2022 07:24 AM

Yeah, it is free!

Fisherman 01-19-2022 07:27 AM

Golfing Eagles, Not exactly true. Just got home from Royal Carribean cruise. They accepted the home test. You actually purchase them through Royal Carribean. $70 for two. They are shipped from a third party and you perform the test via tele visit with the lab. They watch you and verify your results. They then send them via email to you in 30 minutes.
This was accepted and is widely used whether done at home or in a pharmacy.

golfing eagles 01-19-2022 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Fisherman (Post 2051400)
Golfing Eagles, Not exactly true. Just got home from Royal Carribean cruise. They accepted the home test. You actually purchase them through Royal Carribean. $70 for two. They are shipped from a third party and you perform the test via tele visit with the lab. They watch you and verify your results. They then send them via email to you in 30 minutes.
This was accepted and is widely used whether done at home or in a pharmacy.

Thank you---I did hear that some tests could be monitored remotely, I'm not sure that it applies to those tests obtained "free" from the government. Royal Caribbean can pay the monitors from the $70 cost of the test, and have a vested interest in having more people cruise. However, given the recent reports of cruises with fully vaccinated people who tested negative still having outbreaks, the reliability of home testing remains in question.

Also, I believe some destinations require PCR tests.

Captainpd 01-19-2022 07:48 AM

2nd post of 3 consecutive post about this. Can you please read the board before posting

Marine1974 01-19-2022 08:29 AM

Golfing eagle would you want to be driving around trying to get tested
if your sick ? This is what we have been told to do by our President.

oldtimes 01-19-2022 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Marine1974 (Post 2051445)
Golfing eagle would you want to be driving around trying to get tested
if your sick ? This is what we have been told to do by our President.

If I get sick I am calling my doctor not using a test that may or may not be right.

golfing eagles 01-19-2022 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marine1974 (Post 2051445)
Golfing eagle would you want to be driving around trying to get tested
if your sick ? This is what we have been told to do by our President.

If I'm sick, I'm not driving around AT ALL, and certainly not to get "a test". I would be isolating for 5 days, wearing a mask for the next 5 days, and seek medical attention if getting worse. And I would think long a hard about getting an "early" monoclonal antibody infusion until more data is in.

Bill14564 01-19-2022 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 2051394)
Agree hospitalization are the most representative metric we have. Last time I checked, they were lower than Delta at its peak despite much higher infection rates

I'm not aware that home test results are reported?

COVID-19 Hospitalizations

??? Your graphs show that as of a month ago hospitalization had already exceeded delta. What am I missong?

oldtimes 01-19-2022 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2051379)
Agree. These home tests have a notoriously high rate of both false positives and false negatives, thus making their predictive value fairly low. Add to that most people will probably not insert the swab far enough, thus collecting an inadequate sample leading to a false negative result. All in all, I'm afraid this home testing plan is less COVID mitigation and more COVID mitigation theater.

When/if the numbers finally go down they will say “see we gave you all those free tests and now it is getting better, now we need to raise your taxes”

golfing eagles 01-19-2022 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 2051489)
When/if the numbers finally go down they will say “see we gave you all those free tests and now it is getting better, now we need to raise your taxes”

And send out more "free" tests.......:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

blueash 01-19-2022 10:19 AM

The home covid antigen tests have an extremely low rate of false positives. Those who claim otherwise are not telling you the truth. An improperly obtained sample will not give a false positive, but it may give a false negative. A study of nearly one million rapid antigen tests done on symptom free people in Canada where all positive tests on the rapid were then tested with PCR found that the false positive rate was 0.05% of all tests done.
That for the math challenged is 50 out of 1 million tests. [edit, math error, it is 500]

So the person who wrote
"Watch the case number grow 1000% in the next 2 weeks.......all the false positives.."

is lying about what will happen with home testing even IF the results were being reported. And s/he is wrong about reporting. There is no, zero, zilch, nada obligation for the reporting of these at home Covid tests.

Local or state health departments may be able to accept your report. AFAIK there is no Federal agency that will accept reports from consumer use. We can guess what the state of Florida will do about wanting to know the number of positive cases.

So the truth is

1, The at home test if positive is overwhelmingly a true positive not a false positive especially during a period of high rates of disease
2. Because patients can now test at home, the real number of cases being reported is much more likely to be falsely lowered. Those who would have been tested in labs and thus obligated to be reported will NOT have their data collected.
3. There is no required reporting of positive, or negative at home tests. Some states or counties may actively encourage voluntary reporting, some will keep their heads in the sand and not encourage reporting.
4. If your at home test is negative that is nice but not strong proof. The rate of false negative especially from poor test technique with nasal swabbing is considerable. A negative result is probably more accurate when you are symptomatic rather than just as a screening test.


If you believe you have Covid and knowing your status is important because you would want monoclonal treatment or you have exposed a high risk person, the PCR test which is not rapid is a better test for determining you are really negative. Nonetheless the screening test is a good test.


As to this comment
"Exactly, I have zero confidence they will be accurate, just another waste of taxpayer money."

Your confidence would add nothing to the situation. The test is the test. Its accuracy, both false positives and negatives is established. Whether you care to believe in science over your gut feelings does not change reality.

golfing eagles 01-19-2022 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2051493)
The home covid antigen tests have an extremely low rate of false positives. Those who claim otherwise are not telling you the truth. An improperly obtained sample will not give a false positive, but it may give a false negative. A study of nearly one million rapid antigen tests done on symptom free people in Canada where all positive tests on the rapid were then tested with PCR found that the false positive rate was 0.05% of all tests done.
That for the math challenged is 50 out of 1 million tests.

So the person who wrote
"Watch the case number grow 1000% in the next 2 weeks.......all the false positives.."

is lying about what will happen with home testing even IF the results were being reported. And s/he is wrong about reporting. There is no, zero, zilch, nada obligation for the reporting of these at home Covid tests.

Local or state health departments may be able to accept your report. AFAIK there is no Federal agency that will accept reports from consumer use. We can guess what the state of Florida will do about wanting to know the number of positive cases.

So the truth is

1, The at home test if positive is overwhelmingly a true positive not a false positive especially during a period of high rates of disease
2. Because patients can now test at home, the real number of cases being reported is much more likely to be falsely lowered. Those who would have been tested in labs and thus obligated to be reported will NOT have their data collected.
3. There is no required reporting of positive, or negative at home tests. Some states or counties may actively encourage voluntary reporting, some will keep their heads in the sand and not encourage reporting.
4. If your at home test is negative that is nice but not strong proof. The rate of false negative especially from poor test technique with nasal swabbing is considerable. A negative result is probably more accurate when you are symptomatic rather than just as a screening test.


If you believe you have Covid and knowing your status is important because you would want monoclonal treatment or you have exposed a high risk person, the PCR test which is not rapid is a better test for determining you are really negative. Nonetheless the screening test is a good test.


As to this comment
"Exactly, I have zero confidence they will be accurate, just another waste of taxpayer money."

Your confidence would add nothing to the situation. The test is the test. Its accuracy, both false positives and negatives is established. Whether you care to believe in science over your gut feelings does not change reality.

Absolutely agree 100%, and one of your best posts:bigbow: The problem with home testing remains false negatives.

oldtimes 01-19-2022 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2051493)
The home covid antigen tests have an extremely low rate of false positives. Those who claim otherwise are not telling you the truth. An improperly obtained sample will not give a false positive, but it may give a false negative. A study of nearly one million rapid antigen tests done on symptom free people in Canada where all positive tests on the rapid were then tested with PCR found that the false positive rate was 0.05% of all tests done.
That for the math challenged is 50 out of 1 million tests.

So the person who wrote
"Watch the case number grow 1000% in the next 2 weeks.......all the false positives.."

is lying about what will happen with home testing even IF the results were being reported. And s/he is wrong about reporting. There is no, zero, zilch, nada obligation for the reporting of these at home Covid tests.

Local or state health departments may be able to accept your report. AFAIK there is no Federal agency that will accept reports from consumer use. We can guess what the state of Florida will do about wanting to know the number of positive cases.

So the truth is

1, The at home test if positive is overwhelmingly a true positive not a false positive especially during a period of high rates of disease
2. Because patients can now test at home, the real number of cases being reported is much more likely to be falsely lowered. Those who would have been tested in labs and thus obligated to be reported will NOT have their data collected.
3. There is no required reporting of positive, or negative at home tests. Some states or counties may actively encourage voluntary reporting, some will keep their heads in the sand and not encourage reporting.
4. If your at home test is negative that is nice but not strong proof. The rate of false negative especially from poor test technique with nasal swabbing is considerable. A negative result is probably more accurate when you are symptomatic rather than just as a screening test.


If you believe you have Covid and knowing your status is important because you would want monoclonal treatment or you have exposed a high risk person, the PCR test which is not rapid is a better test for determining you are really negative. Nonetheless the screening test is a good test.


As to this comment
"Exactly, I have zero confidence they will be accurate, just another waste of taxpayer money."

Your confidence would add nothing to the situation. The test is the test. Its accuracy, both false positives and negatives is established. Whether you care to believe in science over your gut feelings does not change reality.

Regardless, timing is everything. You can test negative on one day and test positive on the next. So if you test negative and feel you are safe that is not always correct. According to an article I read for the University of Chicago the test results are only valid for 8 to 12 hours.

For the unbelievers:
COVID-19 testing: When to test, how accurate are home tests and more - UChicago Medicine

maistocars 01-19-2022 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sohappytobehere (Post 2051279)
Right now, you can order 4 free Covid tests at covidtests.gov. I just ordered ours. Simple!

Big question is how long will it take to be delivered. My guess is you'll wait 3-6 months minimum. Seems like we have way too many people getting carried away with testing - it's the new "IN" thing. Next step is to start a new club - and then we'll see Friday night testing parties.

blueash 01-19-2022 12:00 PM

I do need to come back and say I got my math wrong in the original post. I may be a little math challenged myself. 0.05% of 1 million is 500 not 50

golfing eagles 01-19-2022 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2051518)
I do need to come back and say I got my math, wrong in the original post. I may be a little math challenged myself. 0.05% of 1 million is 500 not 50

Actually, I have a feeling there is a problem with this study that showed a 0.05% false positive rate. From the article:

"Researchers from the University of Toronto's Rotman School of Management published their peer-reviewed findings in the journal JAMA earlier this month. They looked at the results of more than 900,000 rapid antigen tests conducted over 537 workplaces in Canada between January and October 2021.

During this period, Canada had two significant waves of COVID-19 driven by the Delta variant. A total of 1,322 positive results were logged with rapid tests. Of these cases, 1,103 also had data from a PCR test to compare against.

In total, 462 rapid test results, or 0.05 per cent of the 900,000 results, resulted in false positives. This represents 42 per cent of the positive test results in the study."

I just find it unlikely that they only had 1,322 positive results out of 900,000 tests---that equals a positivity rate of 0.1468%, when we have been running positivity rates in the US of 20, 30, and even 40+% in some areas. Then, the "false positive" tests were 462, representing, yes, 0.05 of 900,000 but a whopping 42% of the positives. So, in other words, if your home test was positive, there is a 42% chance it is false, not 0.05%. I would think further studies are needed.

golfnut 01-19-2022 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2051310)
And now for the obvious question that I just asked of the other person who posted the same thing: Did you NEED them, or did you order them because they are "free'?

and now for the obvious answer, you order them now so you have them when you need them, if you wait until you need them ordering them online does absolutely no good. this is the second time you asked this question, did you not get enough information the first time.

And now for the obvious question, how many more times will you ask this question?

golfing eagles 01-19-2022 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfnut (Post 2051530)
and now for the obvious answer, you order them now so you have them when you need them, if you wait until you need them ordering them online does absolutely no good. this is the second time you asked this question, did you not get enough information the first time.

And now for the obvious question, how many more times will you ask this question?

Probably until I get a better answer than I've gotten so far-----but I'm not holding my breath. But thank you for inquiring about my keyboard time

jimjamuser 01-19-2022 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nick demis (Post 2051383)
By the time the tests get to your mailbox, they expect the new variant will have already infected the entire population and be on its way out. Good timing to help anyone other than making everyone scared to death.

The graph of cases for Omicron and some lingering Delta is showing signs of DECREASING. But, right now that is a fairly large drop in NY, Ct. R.I., and (I believe New Jersey). It is down about 7% in Florida and about 6 other states. It is STILL unchanged in many states or even increasing in the Dakotas, Wisconsin, and maybe a few others.
..... BUT, the main takeaway is that the decrease for the whole US is happening SLOWLY. So that there IS going to be a need for testing for MONTHS. Now, whether there really is a NEED for this type of testing is NOT for me to speculate on. That is ABOVE my pay grade.


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