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MorTech 01-25-2022 11:07 AM

Yamaha Lithium is here....
 
And they are "boasting" 105ah...LOL
RoyPow battery
38 miles of range..Booo

Yamaha Golf Car PowerTech Li - Yamaha Golf Car

Its like they put near zero effort into this....
Maybe the PTV version will have a bigger battery...But that would make sense, so probably not :)
It would also make sense to have turn signals and the comfy seat standard in the PTV...That not going to happen.
But, hey! What can you expect for $15K? ...HeHe.

DAIII 01-25-2022 11:15 AM

38 mile range, while driven on a flat track?? uhhhh

Speedie 01-25-2022 11:18 AM

Stop and charge for an hour or two at the 9th hole turn

Tyrone Shoelaces 01-25-2022 12:04 PM

What happened to all that "New Leader" trash talk?
disappointing

DAIII 01-25-2022 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedie (Post 2053388)
Stop and charge for an hour or two at the 9th hole turn

Bring a long extension cord and you're good.

DARFAP 01-25-2022 04:35 PM

Just like a Tesla

triflex 01-25-2022 05:09 PM

Apparently The Villages isn't the focus of this new Li powered cart. The golf course market is the intended customer.

fdpaq0580 01-25-2022 05:50 PM

No, thank you.
 
My old gassed will probably outlive me. No need to change and spend so much money for so much less cart.
It's only a golf cart, after all. Better things to spend that money on.

😏

MorTech 01-26-2022 04:05 AM

I doubt TVGC wants to sell any electric cart that won't go at least 50 miles on a charge. I wouldn't either.

Yeah..."The Leaderboard is Changing"..LOL

What does MBA stand for? Mindless Blathering A------

Golf54 01-26-2022 06:45 AM

I expect within a year they will have a Village version with 2 108ah batteries.

OhioBuckeye 01-26-2022 07:27 AM

Yea, wait until they have to buy another Lithium battery, expensive! Electric transportation just to get 40 miles in a golf cart & maybe 150 miles in a new $80,000. car is a joke. Our country is starting to be a joke! Do what you want but not me!

noslices1 01-26-2022 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAIII (Post 2053386)
38 mile range, while driven on a flat track?? uhhhh

Downhill.

Bay Kid 01-26-2022 08:10 AM

So after 15-20 miles you start to worry about your next charge. Kind of like smoking cigarettes.

Give me gas.

ca21455 01-26-2022 08:15 AM

For Yamaha to say they the industry leader is BS. Evolution has a 180 ah battery and easily goes over 60 miles on a charge.
Replacement batteries are running under $2,000 and will be better and cheaper in the future.
Current experience life of Lithium batteries is well over 5 years.

talonip 01-26-2022 08:22 AM

Star Sirius EV
 
Just bought one. 210 lithium. 70-80 miles. Battery gauge but you can use the battery app on iPhone to get a better look at your range and charge. Lots of features.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 01-26-2022 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2053612)
I doubt TVGC wants to sell any electric cart that won't go at least 50 miles on a charge. I wouldn't either.

Yeah..."The Leaderboard is Changing"..LOL

What does MBA stand for? Mindless Blathering A------

I think that TVGC wants to sell whatever they make the most margin on. Up until now, that has been Yamaha gas. EZ Go is probably giving them a better deal and more and more people are interested in lithium.

flyboyl39 01-26-2022 08:54 AM

I retrofitted my Club Car Precedent with the Roy Power 105. I get over 50 miles to a charge and that’s with a high speed motor . Charges in 3.5 hours,,,,,guaranteed for 5 years, and only cost me 2300 to have it done.After 4 sets of lead acid batteries, I was done. BTW it is way lighter so the cart is faster and handles better.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 01-26-2022 08:59 AM

Star looks very, very good but pricing is off the charts. I looked at one when I bought my EZ Go Elite and was told that they start at $22,000.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 01-26-2022 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by talonip (Post 2053705)
Just bought one. 210 lithium. 70-80 miles. Battery gauge but you can use the battery app on iPhone to get a better look at your range and charge. Lots of features.

Star looks very, very good but pricing is off the charts. I looked at one when I bought my EZ Go Elite and was told that they start at $22,000.

Watchdr@yahoo.com 01-26-2022 09:00 AM

We just looked at them yesterday at TVGC. The new lithium carts, they say, are getting 50 miles for Yamaha and 80 miles for Star. Like someone said, that is on flat ground and hurricane winds to your back I bet. Then I ask how long do the batteries last and the cost of them. They said 5 to 8 years is what they are “predicting” and “right now” the price is $4,000 for new batteries. In 5 to 8 years when you need new batteries they will be $6,000 or $7,000 and you won’t be able to get $5,000 out of the cart if you tried to sell it. Just my opinion. $4,000 of gas goes a long way in a golf cart. Think about it. All your getting is a little more quite ride, not a better ride. This is just my opinion and thoughts. Buy what you feel right buying and remember, riding around in a golf cart all day is much better than working. lol

flyboyl39 01-26-2022 09:11 AM

Lithium battery prices are falling not rising. As far as dealers quoting replacement prices, no one will have a dealer do it. They will be replaced by independents like Battery Brothers. Go online all kinds of companies selling them from 1500 to 3000 depending on size.

jarodrig 01-26-2022 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DARFAP (Post 2053519)
Just like a Tesla

In what way is that ?

Tom M 01-26-2022 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyboyl39 (Post 2053732)
I retrofitted my Club Car Precedent with the Roy Power 105. I get over 50 miles to a charge and that’s with a high speed motor . Charges in 3.5 hours,,,,,guaranteed for 5 years, and only cost me 2300 to have it done.After 4 sets of lead acid batteries, I was done. BTW it is way lighter so the cart is faster and handles better.

"Faster"? Isn't it throttled to a specific speed? Are you suggesting it goes slower with 2 people in it than 1?

Roron123 01-26-2022 10:46 AM

404 miles on the Tesla FYI

Regor 01-26-2022 10:55 AM

Not sure about where you all go but I've checked my mileage from my longest drive in my cart without stopping at my home and it was about 35 miles. Usually it's less than 20. Once home it's real simple to plug the cart in. I don't think I have ever gone over 40 miles in a day in the cart and there is always time while at home it can be charged.
Plugging it in is a whole lot easier than going to a gas station. Used to do that every other week and for me it was about a 45 minute trip to get there, fill it up and then back. That's about 19 hours of wasted time per year.

MorTech 01-26-2022 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golf54 (Post 2053644)
I expect within a year they will have a Village version with 2 108ah batteries.

Yeah, maybe...One would think they would put the RoyPow 160ah battery in the PTV version because The Villages is the number one Yamaha golf cart dealer in the WORLD! And, TV is going to nearly double in size over the next 5 years.

MorTech 01-26-2022 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 2053738)
Star looks very, very good but pricing is off the charts. I looked at one when I bought my EZ Go Elite and was told that they start at $22,000.

The Star uses a 210ah battery good for at least 80 miles. It was $18, 300 a few months ago. for 2 passenger...About the same as EZGO Elite 4.2

MorTech 01-26-2022 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye (Post 2053659)
Yea, wait until they have to buy another Lithium battery, expensive! Electric transportation just to get 40 miles in a golf cart & maybe 150 miles in a new $80,000. car is a joke. Our country is starting to be a joke! Do what you want but not me!

Alrighty then.

jimjamuser 01-26-2022 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2053383)
And they are "boasting" 105ah...LOL
RoyPow battery
38 miles of range..Booo

Yamaha Golf Car PowerTech Li - Yamaha Golf Car

Its like they put near zero effort into this....
Maybe the PTV version will have a bigger battery...But that would make sense, so probably not :)
It would also make sense to have turn signals and the comfy seat standard in the PTV...That not going to happen.
But, hey! What can you expect for $15K? ...HeHe.

I take it that the purpose of this thread is to "trash talk" electric golf carts! I will be an outlier and take the opposite side of this argument. I will suppose that everyone here loves their sons, daughters, and grandchildren. And I will take it as a GIVEN that they are aware of Global Warming. And spare me the "it's just natural cycles of the climate-changing", please - since most climate scientists KNOW that it is man-made and that the last 7 years is the warmest in RECENT HISTORY (maybe sometime 1 million years ago was warmer, but humans don't live quite that long, or worry about ice ages)
.......1st let's talk about the short term with respect to battery-powered golf carts. Note : I am not aware whether there are or are not HYBRID golf carts, but I could see that as a great solution to the "dealer-salesman-promoted" range anxiety that permeates TOTV golf cart posts. AND a great way for "conservative golfers" to be led into the future, promised land of E golf-vehicles. So.....short term.....to make an experiment that MIGHT (?) change minds and PROVE my point - simply sit outside, within 10 feet of a residential street with a LOT OF golf cart traffic and other traffic. Use a very sophisticated piece of test equipment......your nose. Wait for a day in which the prevailing WIND is lightly blowing toward your nose. You will reach the conclusion that OLDER or out-of-tune GASOLINE golf cars are very, VERY, SUPER STINKY. Note : when you are riding inside a golf cart the FRESH wind saves you, yourself, from inhaling the noxious FUMES. BUT, the environment and joggers, walkers, and other OLDER members of your TV Land brothers and sisters are NOT SO LUCKY ......to be continued

jimjamuser 01-26-2022 02:56 PM

Continued.....short term - you will notice that many gas carts are also VERY noisy and seem to vibrate as if they want to throw off all their bolts. You will probably also see speeds pushing 35 mph illegally, but a different issue. If an Electric Golf Cart happens to come by (there are more of them here than people think), it will be noticed that there is NO excessive noise, stink or pollution generated. And the acceleration from a stop is better.
......The cost of an Electric may be greater than the cost of a gas golf cart - but, the cost of maintaining an electric is MUCH lower. Gasoline costs more than electricity and there is that wanted trip OFTEN to the gas station and the time spent to consider. Electric motors are a more reliable even today and will get better in the future - they have much less moving parts and parts moving in a SMOOTH circle and not a jarring, metal breaking back and forth, reciprocating motion. ........I will write about the long-term advantages of Electric vehicles IF and only if there is more interest in this subject and less one-sided comments.

jimjamuser 01-26-2022 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ca21455 (Post 2053695)
For Yamaha to say they the industry leader is BS. Evolution has a 180 ah battery and easily goes over 60 miles on a charge.
Replacement batteries are running under $2,000 and will be better and cheaper in the future.
Current experience life of Lithium batteries is well over 5 years.

Finally, some positive clarity!

jimjamuser 01-26-2022 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyboyl39 (Post 2053732)
I retrofitted my Club Car Precedent with the Roy Power 105. I get over 50 miles to a charge and that’s with a high speed motor . Charges in 3.5 hours,,,,,guaranteed for 5 years, and only cost me 2300 to have it done.After 4 sets of lead acid batteries, I was done. BTW it is way lighter so the cart is faster and handles better.

Sounds reasonable and practical. Future generations and the earth thanks you!

JMintzer 01-26-2022 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2053968)
Sounds reasonable and practical. Future generations and the earth thanks you!

Yes, because all of that electricity comes from the "electricity fairy" and is completely non-polluting and does nothing to add the the "DREADED" global warming...

P.S. I would HAVE used MORE capitalized WORDS, but I DIDN'T want to WRITE a THESIS...

Topspinmo 01-26-2022 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyboyl39 (Post 2053756)
Lithium battery prices are falling not rising. As far as dealers quoting replacement prices, no one will have a dealer do it. They will be replaced by independents like Battery Brothers. Go online all kinds of companies selling them from 1500 to 3000 depending on size.

Really, how comes its in short supply. Manufacturing might get cheap but raw lithium will never go down.

Topspinmo 01-26-2022 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2053968)
Sounds reasonable and practical. Future generations and the earth thanks you!

Evidently you don’t know how lithium mined.

JMintzer 01-26-2022 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2054026)
Evidently you don’t know how lithium mined.

Yup. Here's a typical Lithium mine...

https://www.maplecroft.com/siteasset...a_23141047.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iZ3BoqypGYU/maxresdefault.jpg

MorTech 01-26-2022 09:35 PM

Actually the post is about the less than optimal battery capacity for tooling around The Villages and not really about climate mythology. You might try typing "solar cycle 25" and "grand solar minimum" or "conformation bias" into a search engine of your choice.

affald 01-27-2022 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyboyl39 (Post 2053732)
I retrofitted my Club Car Precedent with the Roy Power 105. I get over 50 miles to a charge and that’s with a high speed motor . Charges in 3.5 hours,,,,,guaranteed for 5 years, and only cost me 2300 to have it done.After 4 sets of lead acid batteries, I was done. BTW it is way lighter so the cart is faster and handles better.

Can you share the specifics. Thank you. What was installed, by whom, how long ago? This would be great info, and a sticky thread for this purpose would be great.

OhioBuckeye 01-27-2022 07:30 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
All I can do is roll my eyes in disbelief in some of these comments!

flyboyl39 01-27-2022 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by affald (Post 2054085)
Can you share the specifics. Thank you. What was installed, by whom, how long ago? This would be great info, and a sticky thread for this purpose would be great.

Had it done 6 months ago at the club car dealer in Tampa. They removed and recycled the lead batteries and installed the Roy Power battery pack


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