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mtomlinson 02-05-2022 05:53 PM

Electrical outlet over kitchen cabinet not working
 
I tried to use this outlet today for the first tie and it is not live. There are 3 wires to the rear, live, neutral and earth. No voltage on them. I read somewhere about needing to switch the ceiling lights on but that didn't work. Is there some other switch? Any ideas?

Bogie Shooter 02-05-2022 05:55 PM

GFI Tripped somewhere?

Papa_lecki 02-05-2022 06:25 PM

I think its an outlet for over cabinet lights. It is powered by a switch. Not sure where your switch, in my Gardenia, it is outside the laundry room, near the switch for the dining room and that overhead light.

villagetinker 02-05-2022 06:47 PM

This is typically a SWITCHED outlet, in our house there is a switch with a BLUE dot on it that controls the outlet. Try this, plug in a lamp that is known to be in the ON position, then go to all of the switches in the vicinity of the kitchen and see which one controls the outlet. Due to the location of this outlet it is typically NOT on a GFCI.
Hope this helps.

JoMar 02-05-2022 07:58 PM

Our switch is on the dining room wall.

JMintzer 02-05-2022 10:52 PM

Our switch (an Aspen) is under the wine rack, next to the refrigerator...

midiwiz 02-06-2022 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mtomlinson (Post 2057739)
I tried to use this outlet today for the first tie and it is not live. There are 3 wires to the rear, live, neutral and earth. No voltage on them. I read somewhere about needing to switch the ceiling lights on but that didn't work. Is there some other switch? Any ideas?

100% switched outlet - turn all switches on in the kitchen and you'll find it have fun, I'm trying to undo mine, wiring technique is horrible in these builds

Belmont4-150 02-06-2022 07:05 AM

Outlet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mtomlinson (Post 2057739)
I tried to use this outlet today for the first tie and it is not live. There are 3 wires to the rear, live, neutral and earth. No voltage on them. I read somewhere about needing to switch the ceiling lights on but that didn't work. Is there some other switch? Any ideas?

There is a (red dot) switch on the bank of switches in your kitchen that runs the outlets above the cabinets. Check to see that it is switched on.

Tjmorello 02-06-2022 07:19 AM

Can assist
 
If you want, I can have a look for.

thevillages2013 02-06-2022 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2057756)
This is typically a SWITCHED outlet, in our house there is a switch with a BLUE dot on it that controls the outlet. Try this, plug in a lamp that is known to be in the ON position, then go to all of the switches in the vicinity of the kitchen and see which one controls the outlet. Due to the location of this outlet it is typically NOT on a GFCI.
Hope this helps.

He is in Palo Alto village and the house was built in the “dark ages” so typical wiring patterns may not apply. Possibly someone ran a wire up from one of the gfi countertop outlets. It would be nice if the OP would let us know the results

rogerk 02-06-2022 09:07 AM

I’m Veranda/Lilly the switch is in the dining room by the switch for the under cabinet lights and the LR ceiling fan.

sullys 02-06-2022 09:26 AM

Light switch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mtomlinson (Post 2057739)
I tried to use this outlet today for the first tie and it is not live. There are 3 wires to the rear, live, neutral and earth. No voltage on them. I read somewhere about needing to switch the ceiling lights on but that didn't work. Is there some other switch? Any ideas?

The plugs over the cabinets can be turned off and on by a switch in the dining room area. I put tape over mine as I hid my router on top of the cabinets

Bruce3055 02-06-2022 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2057741)
GFI Tripped somewhere?

I think my GFI outlet is in the garage, now hidden behind some built in cabinets, but still accessible

mulligan 02-06-2022 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruce3055 (Post 2057987)
I think my GFI outlet is in the garage, now hidden behind some built in cabinets, but still accessible

Any outlet within 48" of water, or outside anywhere, or anywhere in the garage is a gfci outlet.

Frank495 02-06-2022 10:49 AM

There is a separate switch on the wall that controls that outlet

jellybean428 02-06-2022 10:56 AM

kitchen outlet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mtomlinson (Post 2057739)
I tried to use this outlet today for the first tie and it is not live. There are 3 wires to the rear, live, neutral and earth. No voltage on them. I read somewhere about needing to switch the ceiling lights on but that didn't work. Is there some other switch? Any ideas?

my switch (lilac) is next to other =switches on dining room wall.
It controls the outlet above the cabinets

mtomlinson 02-06-2022 11:26 AM

Thanks for all the responses. Yes, it is a Gardenia built circa 2000.
Progress to date:
Reset ALL of my GFI's even though it's unlikely to be the problem.
Tried ALL of the switches anywhere near the kitchen to no avail. There are a couple that don't seem to do anything including one near the patio doors which seems to not properly click on. I will dismantle that later.
No hidden switches in the cabinets.
No breakers off in the garage.
Wiring to the back of the outlet in question secure.
I will post the solution when (if) I find it.

Nadinefall 02-06-2022 11:50 AM

We have a Linden, only 4 us old…..still looking for that switch too.

Jim Furr 02-06-2022 01:34 PM

Electrical outlet in the kitchen are tied to a gfi outlet,
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mtomlinson (Post 2057739)
I tried to use this outlet today for the first tie and it is not live. There are 3 wires to the rear, live, neutral and earth. No voltage on them. I read somewhere about needing to switch the ceiling lights on but that didn't work. Is there some other switch? Any ideas?

The kitchen outlets are tied t a GFI outlet, Check the GFI to make sure it has not tripped

villagetinker 02-06-2022 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mtomlinson (Post 2058048)
Thanks for all the responses. Yes, it is a Gardenia built circa 2000.
Progress to date:
Reset ALL of my GFI's even though it's unlikely to be the problem.
Tried ALL of the switches anywhere near the kitchen to no avail. There are a couple that don't seem to do anything including one near the patio doors which seems to not properly click on. I will dismantle that later.
No hidden switches in the cabinets.
No breakers off in the garage.
Wiring to the back of the outlet in question secure.
I will post the solution when (if) I find it.

I sent you a private message, VT

mtomlinson 02-06-2022 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2058141)
I sent you a private message, VT

I don't use this very often and am unsure how to access private messages.

terryf484 02-07-2022 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtomlinson (Post 2057739)
I tried to use this outlet today for the first tie and it is not live. There are 3 wires to the rear, live, neutral and earth. No voltage on them. I read somewhere about needing to switch the ceiling lights on but that didn't work. Is there some other switch? Any ideas?

We live in a Durham built in 2021, outlet above cabinets is hot all the time. I installed above cabinet lighting controlled by a built-in remote controller.

jalduino 02-07-2022 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtomlinson (Post 2057739)
I tried to use this outlet today for the first tie and it is not live. There are 3 wires to the rear, live, neutral and earth. No voltage on them. I read somewhere about needing to switch the ceiling lights on but that didn't work. Is there some other switch? Any ideas?

That outlet is controlled by the rocker switch next to your canned lights switch for the canned lights over your kitchen cabinets. Hope this works or helps. Jim

candlweav 02-07-2022 10:38 AM

Dead outlet
 
You said that you've reset all of the GFIs. Be sure the garage GFI is included.


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