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triflex 02-21-2022 05:21 PM

Dividend stocks that don't suck as a business
 
I'd love to know what companies are paying a high dividend that are not, in fact, just a poor business with little to offer but the dividend.

Banks pay almost nothing for your dollar deposit. Where is anyone supposed to get yield these days?

Maybe the dollar is close to worthless as it is because it pays nothing as a deposit. Seems to me just better off finding high quality equities. Berkshire Hathaway is the most stable amongst the high quality equities per Value Line.

Stu from NYC 02-21-2022 05:47 PM

Why not read a financial publication like Kiplingers

valuemkt 02-21-2022 06:31 PM

certainly depends on your definition of high dividend .. Like oils ? XOM, EPD, ET, ENB, VLO and others pay nice dividends
Like a sin stock ? Altria (MO) sports a good one.. Tons of others in the 4-6% range.. Do some homework and pick five or ten in different industries.. Look for ones that have increased their dividend for 20 or 25 years .. that will answer your other question

Decadeofdave 02-21-2022 08:11 PM

Rpm

dewilson58 02-21-2022 09:19 PM

Southern Company (SO)

triflex 02-21-2022 10:01 PM

Southern Co: High P/E, Diminishing yield

https://i.imgur.com/qd9lZah.png

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2064412)
Southern Company (SO)


keepsake 02-21-2022 10:20 PM

It seems on SO

The recent price drop seems due to dividend payout. Dropped from 69ish to 63ish.

CoachKandSportsguy 02-21-2022 10:46 PM

SO dropped on the news of the nuclear power plant delays and the increased costs.

For dividends, i would go with a diversified dividend income fund. . not picking individual stocks,
as managing the portfolio is not always a set it and forget it as its more about buying low and
preventing individual losses.

$SPHD $SPYD

this page also has a good listing of potential investments

Dividend ETFs | Seeking Alpha

i would look towards the bottom section

CosmicTrucker 02-22-2022 05:56 AM

Ups

Blackbird45 02-22-2022 06:02 AM

If you're interested in dividend and your invested in a utility like SO or Con Ed, fluctuation in stock prices shouldn't matter. Stock prices will go up and down daily. My belief with the advance of EVs, electric utility stocks will start to climb.

Two Bills 02-22-2022 06:04 AM

After yesterdays news of Russian moves, and stock markets dropping, it may be wise to sit tight with the cash for a while.
Oil price is going to get very lively!

thevillages2013 02-22-2022 06:16 AM

XOM but buy it about a year ago

Catalina36 02-22-2022 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by triflex (Post 2064335)
I'd love to know what companies are paying a high dividend that are not, in fact, just a poor business with little to offer but the dividend.

Banks pay almost nothing for your dollar deposit. Where is anyone supposed to get yield these days?

Maybe the dollar is close to worthless as it is because it pays nothing as a deposit. Seems to me just better off finding high quality equities. Berkshire Hathaway is the most stable amongst the high quality equities per Value Line.

I have been investing about 25% of money in
Invesco Value Municipal Income Trust Municipal Bond Fund, symbol IIM, you can purchase using any Brokerage Account. Trades like a stock so you can sell any time on any trading day if you need cash. Pays a monthly dividend every 1st of the month, Annual dividend around 4.8%. The Best Part it is totally Federal Tax Free and if you are a Florida resident that means there is no state income tax either. I have been following this fund for approximately 5 years. The price does fluctuate up and down, last price quote was $15.12 a share, but the dividend is there each and every month. Now is a good time to purchase with the market prices are down. I don't portray myself as a financial advisor but in my opinion, this is relatively a safe investment.

midiwiz 02-22-2022 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triflex (Post 2064335)
I'd love to know what companies are paying a high dividend that are not, in fact, just a poor business with little to offer but the dividend.

Banks pay almost nothing for your dollar deposit. Where is anyone supposed to get yield these days?

Maybe the dollar is close to worthless as it is because it pays nothing as a deposit. Seems to me just better off finding high quality equities. Berkshire Hathaway is the most stable amongst the high quality equities per Value Line.

I really think that's a question for an investment company, or online search in something like ameritrade, etc. Not something on TOTV, unless you want to generate tons of chatter that goes nowhere.

spinner1001 02-22-2022 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by triflex (Post 2064335)
I'd love to know what companies are paying a high dividend that are not, in fact, just a poor business with little to offer but the dividend.

In finance jargon, focus on *value* stocks with higher dividend *yields* in *quality* companies to narrow your choices.

And I agree with the comment about a mutual fund (an ETF can work, too) rather than stock picking yourself because of diversification benefits and stock pickers generally underperform over the long run.

jljl62040 02-22-2022 07:45 AM

If you want to manage your stock market investments yourself, there is a website called 'Seeking Alpha' that I find to be very informative. Many different investment advisors offer their services on that site. Many specialize in dividend paying stocks. Some services must be subscribed to for a fee, while others are free. All the services offer a trial subscription. I personally subscribe to the 'iREIT on Alpha' service by Brad Thomas and find it to be helpful in finding good companies in various industries that offer dividends to boost my income.

mkjelenbaas 02-22-2022 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triflex (Post 2064335)
I'd love to know what companies are paying a high dividend that are not, in fact, just a poor business with little to offer but the dividend.

Banks pay almost nothing for your dollar deposit. Where is anyone supposed to get yield these days?

Maybe the dollar is close to worthless as it is because it pays nothing as a deposit. Seems to me just better off finding high quality equities. Berkshire Hathaway is the most stable amongst the high quality equities per Value Line.

What did the CFP say when you asked those questions??

mkjelenbaas 02-22-2022 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triflex (Post 2064335)
I'd love to know what companies are paying a high dividend that are not, in fact, just a poor business with little to offer but the dividend.

Banks pay almost nothing for your dollar deposit. Where is anyone supposed to get yield these days?

Maybe the dollar is close to worthless as it is because it pays nothing as a deposit. Seems to me just better off finding high quality equities. Berkshire Hathaway is the most stable amongst the high quality equities per Value Line.

It is always good to take advice from this site!! NOT!!

fgaba1949 02-22-2022 08:06 AM

There are a ton of highly profitable companies that pay a nice dividend .
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by triflex (Post 2064335)
I'd love to know what companies are paying a high dividend that are not, in fact, just a poor business with little to offer but the dividend.

Banks pay almost nothing for your dollar deposit. Where is anyone supposed to get yield these days?

Maybe the dollar is close to worthless as it is because it pays nothing as a deposit. Seems to me just better off finding high quality equities. Berkshire Hathaway is the most stable amongst the high quality equities per Value Line.

LEts take DEVON energy DVN the stock is up over 150 % over the last year up 27% YTD which is a huge gain for just 2 months and pays 7.3% dividend with an ex day of 3 /11. Its breakeven price for a barrel of oil is $30 and oil is close to 100 today..others are like VIPER EXXON etc...

fireman 02-22-2022 08:24 AM

Dividend Stock
 
QYLD has been paying between .18-.22 a month for a few years.
Not bad for a $20 stock

I also agree seeking alpha website is a good resource

fgaba1949 02-22-2022 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by valuemkt (Post 2064365)
certainly depends on your definition of high dividend .. Like oils ? XOM, EPD, ET, ENB, VLO and others pay nice dividends
Like a sin stock ? Altria (MO) sports a good one.. Tons of others in the 4-6% range.. Do some homework and pick five or ten in different industries.. Look for ones that have increased their dividend for 20 or 25 years .. that will answer your other question

Also DEVON DVN up over 150 % pays 7 %

fgaba1949 02-22-2022 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2064345)
Why not read a financial publication like Kiplingers

Yes reading pubication once was a great idea but now they are outdated filled with old news once they come out try CNBC or Bloomberg TV for uptodate info in a fast changing world

Kenswing 02-22-2022 09:12 AM

At its current price ATT (T) is paying 8.7%. For a list of companies that have maintained or increased their dividends for 25 years or better just Google "Dividend Aristocrats"

MidWestIA 02-22-2022 09:17 AM

V
 
Vanguard has 2 dividend growth funds like vig

dewilson58 02-22-2022 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 2064523)
At its current price ATT (T) is paying 8.7%.

With the ~50% loss in value, do you see a dividend cut coming??? Wouldn't surprise me.

Kenswing 02-22-2022 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2064534)
With the ~50% loss in value, do you see a dividend cut coming??? Wouldn't surprise me.

After they complete the spin-off of Warner Media to Discovery I wouldn't be surprised if they cut.

loufromnewjersey 02-22-2022 09:25 AM

How about good old Verizon. It’s paying just under 5%. And also banks are not paying anything but I don’t hear you complaining about very low interest rates like mortgages. They are all tied together.

dewilson58 02-22-2022 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by loufromnewjersey (Post 2064540)
And also banks are not paying anything but I don’t hear you complaining about very low interest rates like mortgages. They are all tied together.

Not Really.................Most are selling off the mortgages, rather than holding them like the old days.

Dan2020 02-22-2022 09:42 AM

Berkshire does not pay dividends, despite being a large, mature, and stable firm. Retained earnings are used to fund new ventures, acquisitions, and investments by the organization.

Stu from NYC 02-22-2022 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fgaba1949 (Post 2064500)
Yes reading pubication once was a great idea but now they are outdated filled with old news once they come out try CNBC or Bloomberg TV for uptodate info in a fast changing world

Thinking of people learning from a magazine not getting stocktips.

hdanielblank 02-22-2022 01:11 PM

The solution to your problem may lie in Exchange-Traded Funds (ETFs)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by triflex (Post 2064335)
I'd love to know what companies are paying a high dividend that are not, in fact, just a poor business with little to offer but the dividend.

Banks pay almost nothing for your dollar deposit. Where is anyone supposed to get yield these days?

Maybe the dollar is close to worthless as it is because it pays nothing as a deposit. Seems to me just better off finding high quality equities. Berkshire Hathaway is the most stable amongst the high quality equities per Value Line.

Funny, I used to work for Value Line and love the fact that they supply safety ranks. That said, individual stocks in a quantity less than 30 are simply to risky in price volatility and credit risk for you to put too much of your nest egg in. Please do not do that.

The answer to this dilemma may lie in Exchange Traded Funds (ETFs), mutual funds that trade like stocks but cheaper and more efficient. They hold a collection of securities that together will deliver much more safety through diversity. The no-brainer ETF to me right now is SCHP, it holds US Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities with a yield guaranteed to rise with inflation. Most brokers will try to talk you into something managed to hedge inflation (more costly and more risky). Don't fall for it. SCHP has a near-zero expense ratio and can be bought for zero through Schwab or Fidelity discount brokerages. Current yield on SCHP is 3.5%. If you are willing to take a bit more risk but far less than holding a single,high-yield utility or energy or transportation, stock, I have a few suggestions for you to check out on your discount brokerage platform. The best for you may be PCEF, an INVESCO ETF that holds 100 income-oriented closed-end funds (also funds that trade like stocks with technical differences). The internal expense ratio of this fund of funds and its market risk are considerably higher than SCHD. However, the bankruptcy risk is zero unlike that of individual stocks. PCEF has been around more than a decade. It pays MONTHLY, not quarterly dividends and it's current annual yield is more than 7.3%. PCEF has no equity market risk other than the price of the stock itself. which will go up or down relative to interest rates but will increase over time so don't sell it, just enjoy the yield. .Another more conventional ETF to buy and hold is SCHD which holds the highest dividend stocks in the S&P 500 and charges a neat-zero expense ration. Its current yield is 2% which is about 50% higher than the S&P 500. I hope this helps.

GeeWhiz 02-22-2022 01:26 PM

Dividend stocks that don't suck as businesses; alternative high dividend index ETFs
 
You might consider High Dividend ETFs or Mutual Fund indices. The following article is of interest if that is a potential investment of interest.

8 Top Dividend Index Funds | The Motley Fool

Good luck on whatever you choose to do.

jimjamuser 02-22-2022 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2064441)
If you're interested in dividend and your invested in a utility like SO or Con Ed, fluctuation in stock prices shouldn't matter. Stock prices will go up and down daily. My belief with the advance of EVs, electric utility stocks will start to climb.

Then battery technology companies would also be good.

Boomer 02-22-2022 02:09 PM

There is an easy way to get a start on educating yourself on dividend paying stocks by looking for easily accessed clues to stocks that might work for you.

Find the list of Dividend Aristocrats. That will show you how many years a company has annually increased its dividend. To make this list, it has to be 25 consecutive years. There is a lesser known list called Dividend Kings, that’s 50 years, in a row, of increases. (Miss a year — get kicked off the list and have to start over. That is why you sometimes will see a big range in increases from year to year. Depends on how the company is doing, of course. Could be a 1%, could be a 10%, but those companies do not like to have to break their stride by missing an annual increase.)

The Dogs of the Dow list can be worth a look once in a while. (I have not looked for that for a long time. I guess it is still around.)

Those lists are a manageable starting point because you will recognize a lot of the stocks and then you can narrow your focus to the ones that interest you most.

Understand that the yield is not everything. In fact, if it gets really high, it could be a warning. Look at the payout ratio.

Also beta could be important, depending on your risk tolerance.

Another point of beginning could be to go into a site like Fidelity, find their dividend funds, then look at the funds’ top ten holdings. See what the experts are doing.

Another thing you can find on those sites are their select funds — utilities funds, etc. See what holdings are in those. (I used to try to follow certain fund managers and once in a while, I would copy their homework.)

Also, if you are new at this, you will see terms you might not get. Investopedia will explain all those so you can get a working vocabulary on the subject.

(Yeah. I know. Bumpkin that I surely must be, my starting point is far too simplistic for the esoterically inclined among us. But, hey, it can work.)

Boomer

Kenswing 02-22-2022 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2064636)
Then battery technology companies would also be good.

Seriously? Why don’t you show us which battery companies are paying a good safe dividend.

triflex 02-22-2022 02:34 PM

This is some good information. Thanks. Seems like SCHP would be best for untaxed retirement accounts because it will need to be traded into and out of when inflation rates decrease. For instance, if I sell BRK.b stock in a taxable account I'd be hit with the cap gains tax and wipe out any potential gain from the TIPS returns for at least two years because of the taxes on the BRK sale. Then when inflation subsides I'd have to sell again and reinvest into equities because TIPS would pay very little.

My understanding is that inflation is best offset by: 1) TIPS 2) Real Estate by a .7 ratio (house keeps up with inflation by 70% - or 30% loss inflation adjusted, 3) Stocks; in that order per history.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hdanielblank (Post 2064628)
Funny, I used to work for Value Line and love the fact that they supply safety ranks. That said, individual stocks in a quantity less than 30 are simply to risky in price volatility and credit risk for you to put too much of your nest egg in. Please do not do that.

The answer to this dilemma may lie in Exchange Traded Funds (ETFs), mutual funds that trade like stocks but cheaper and more efficient. They hold a collection of securities that together will deliver much more safety through diversity. The no-brainer ETF to me right now is SCHP, it holds US Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities with a yield guaranteed to rise with inflation. Most brokers will try to talk you into something managed to hedge inflation (more costly and more risky). Don't fall for it. SCHP has a near-zero expense ratio and can be bought for zero through Schwab or Fidelity discount brokerages. Current yield on SCHP is 3.5%. If you are willing to take a bit more risk but far less than holding a single,high-yield utility or energy or transportation, stock, I have a few suggestions for you to check out on your discount brokerage platform. The best for you may be PCEF, an INVESCO ETF that holds 100 income-oriented closed-end funds (also funds that trade like stocks with technical differences). The internal expense ratio of this fund of funds and its market risk are considerably higher than SCHD. However, the bankruptcy risk is zero unlike that of individual stocks. PCEF has been around more than a decade. It pays MONTHLY, not quarterly dividends and it's current annual yield is more than 7.3%. PCEF has no equity market risk other than the price of the stock itself. which will go up or down relative to interest rates but will increase over time so don't sell it, just enjoy the yield. .Another more conventional ETF to buy and hold is SCHD which holds the highest dividend stocks in the S&P 500 and charges a neat-zero expense ration. Its current yield is 2% which is about 50% higher than the S&P 500. I hope this helps.


triflex 02-22-2022 02:38 PM

I'm familiar with the dogs of the dow list that pays dividends consistently. Most of them, to me, don't seem like great bets as companies though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2064651)
There is an easy way to get a start on educating yourself on dividend paying stocks by looking for easily accessed clues to stocks that might work for you.

Find the list of Dividend Aristocrats. That will show you how many years a company has annually increased its dividend. To make this list, it has to be 25 consecutive years. There is a lesser known list called Dividend Kings, that’s 50 years, in a row, of increases. (Miss a year — get kicked off the list and have to start over. That is why you sometimes will see a big range in increases from year to year. Depends on how the company is doing, of course. Could be a 1%, could be a 10%, but those companies do not like to have to break their stride by missing an annual increase.)

The Dogs of the Dow list can be worth a look once in a while. (I have not looked for that for a long time. I guess it is still around.)

Those lists are a manageable starting point because you will recognize a lot of the stocks and then you can narrow your focus to the ones that interest you most.

Understand that the yield is not everything. In fact, if it gets really high, it could be a warning. Look at the payout ratio.

Also beta could be important, depending on your risk tolerance.

Another point of beginning could be to go into a site like Fidelity, find their dividend funds, then look at the funds’ top ten holdings. See what the experts are doing.

Another thing you can find on those sites are their select funds — utilities funds, etc. See what holdings are in those. (I used to try to follow certain fund managers and once in a while, I would copy their homework.)

Also, if you are new at this, you will see terms you might not get. Investopedia will explain all those so you can get a working vocabulary on the subject.

(Yeah. I know. Bumpkin that I surely must be, my starting point is far too simplistic for the esoterically inclined among us. But, hey, it can work.)

Boomer


triflex 02-22-2022 02:41 PM

I don't want to churn my money to someone who spends their day talking to people instead of running a profitable company. I consider Warren Buffett to be the best CFP in the World but he is in his 90s.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkjelenbaas (Post 2064477)
What did the CFP say when you asked those questions??


DAVES 02-22-2022 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jljl62040 (Post 2064475)
If you want to manage your stock market investments yourself, there is a website called 'Seeking Alpha' that I find to be very informative. Many different investment advisors offer their services on that site. Many specialize in dividend paying stocks. Some services must be subscribed to for a fee, while others are free. All the services offer a trial subscription. I personally subscribe to the 'iREIT on Alpha' service by Brad Thomas and find it to be helpful in finding good companies in various industries that offer dividends to boost my income.

I tend to trust no one for investment decisions. Seeking Alpha for example what is the real motive of the author? To make money for you? Or to make money for him or her self? Offer a trial subscription-a common marketing tactic. They know exactly how many people will not cancel or often forget to cancel.

DAVES 02-22-2022 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triflex (Post 2064665)
I don't want to churn my money to someone who spends their day talking to people instead of running a profitable company. I consider Warren Buffett to be the best CFP in the World but he is in his 90s.

Re: Warren Buffet
I like most people find him interesting. I've read articles by and about him with stuff like,
he buys for the long term. Am I the only one to see and state the obvious, the guy is in his 90's long term? I've read things by Buffet, I lost 45 million on that investment. Buffet like?
If, I lost 45 million on any investment there would be a lot of people wondering how they could have been so stupid as to LEND me that much money. Buffet like? Was I to call say Powel to ask what is going to happen with interest rates, his staff would have a good a good laugh and tell me some great excuse why he can't take my call. Buffet calls and they put his call right through.
Recently, Buffet said publicly that he suggests people buy the S&P index. Buffet actually stated in public that he rarely beats the S&P.


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