TSA questions - Why Ask?
 

TSA Precheck Questions regarding gender currently only allow M or F. But apparently your choice. Either one is OK. But they plan to provide more options in the near future.
Why do they even ask if it does not matter?

The Questions

Am I required to select the gender that matches the gender on my identity documentation?

You can now select your preferred gender, even if the gender you select does not match the gender on your supporting documentation (such as birth certificate, passport, or state ID). You can select “M” or “F” which are the gender options currently available.

Is medical certification required to change the gender options for TSA PreCheck®?

Medical certification is not required to change the gender options on your TSA PreCheck® application. If you are a member of the TSA PreCheck® Application Program, you may call (855) 347-8371 weekdays, between 8 a.m. and 10 p.m. ET, to request a change of your gender options in your records. You may also submit your inquiry online. Please note, updating your gender is not required to receive TSA PreCheck® screening. You will receive TSA PreCheck® screening even if your current gender differs from the gender you provided when you enrolled in TSA PreCheck®.

What does it mean that I can self-select my preferred gender during the TSA PreCheck® application process?

You can select the gender you would like in your TSA PreCheck® record by simply checking “M” or “F”. Medical certification or a physician’s letter is not required when enrolling with a gender that does not match the gender on your identification documents.

Do I need to have the gender on my birth certificate, passport and/or driver’s license changed before I can get it changed on my TSA PreCheck® application?

No, the gender on your identification documents does not need to match the gender you select on your TSA PreCheck® Application.

If I identify as neither male “M” or female “F” or I have identity documentation in a non-binary gender, can I apply with a non-binary gender options or no gender options?

You can still apply for TSA PreCheck® but you must select “M” or “F” which are the gender options currently available. TSA is in the process of adding a third gender option for non-binary, intersex, and gender non-conforming individuals but cannot provide an exact timeline for when we will begin offering a third gender options.

Political correctness gone amok

I don't understand why they want to know, but I don't care. In the overall scheme of things it is not something I will get upset over. The entire TSA thing is security theater and I think the main benefit of it is to help some people feel safe. So, it is just something I provide time to do, and do quietly, I see no reason to give them reason to slow me down.

Stick around, this country is going to get much worst.
Remember, we're all going to live long enough to see it all.

Agree. You are what your DNA says you are. Surgical reassignment is just plastic surgery to project what you want to look like. Like breast augmentation or a butt lift or a nose (or "hose" ) job. Some people want to change gender. Some even want to change their species. Fine by me. Look like you want to look. Live like you want to live. But if your DNA says you are human male, that is what you are. If you want to lie to yourself, fine. But don't cry if others won't participate in the lie. Reality is what it is and all the PC will do is perpetuate the lie and obscure truth.

Another useless post

And to think we pay people to make up these idiotic regulations

Agree. As self stated "Another useless post".

If the plane goes down, you'll be identified by your DNA as there may very well not be enough left of you in one piece to ID. It really won't matter what box you checked off prior. You'll be regarded as a man or woman. I've been at a few plane crash sites involving loss of life. It ain't a pleasant scene.

Like sitting at you PC in the nude and typing "Another useless post."

No actually I'm dressed in front of my laptop on a dock. Posts are like TV channels, if you don't care for a program, find the remote. lol

Well, except there are XY females, there are 3 chromosome individuals, there are babies born with no distinguishable sexual organs at birth. If only it were so simple as just two sexes. And it is NOT just people, all throughout the animal kingdom there are things with chromosome anomalies.

Here is a short video on the history of Chromosomes, you might find it interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2y7osVtIX8

If someone with 3 chromosomes were to be tested, what would it (the DNA test) come back as? I just did a Google search which started there's like 60 people known to have that issue. Maybe Google isn't counting all the athletes. lol

lol!!!

That is one of the strange things, there are "many". I included a link to a ted talk that tells the history of XY/XX and all the other things.

Anomaly = something not standard, expected or normal.
Chromosomal Abnormalities are just that, abnormal, or, not normal. Happens throughout the world of living things. But a human born with a tail is still human and not a monkey. Likewise, a human that thinks they would like to be a monkey may decide that they want to have a tail surgically attached won't make them a monkey. My only point is that you are what your DNA says you are. If you prefer a doctors research, check out Dr. Moreau's findings. A fictional tale that depicts that you are what nature or God made you, not what your surgeon made you look like.

As an atheist I don't accept that God made me. This is a secular society, so our rules are based on science. Science says there is a spectrum of "sex" from male to female.

I understand you base your concept of sex on religious beliefs, and I respect that. I have no desire to change your sex or your beliefs. I wish you would offer me the same respect based on my beliefs and the science that supports me.

TSA needs to know gender in case a pat down search is necessary. They are required to have a male pat down a male and a female pat down a female. If people claim to be neither a male or female what do they do? Are they required to have a freak on staff for those occasions?

Unfortunately for you, science does not support your view. There are XX females and XY males. Rarely, there is a chromosomal abnormality involving the 23rd chromosomes such as Kleinfelter's syndrome (XXY), Turner's syndrome (XO), and "supermen and women" (XXX and XYY). Most of these abnormalities are spontaneously aborted in the first trimester, those that survive have done so because the natural mechanism to prevent fetal development of these abnormalities has failed. There are also developmental abnormalities such as testicular feminization syndrome and hermaphroditism, also exceeding rare . There is no "spectrum" of sex (and I assume you meant gender).

However, this thread is about gender identification and those that choose a different identity than the one they were born with, either hormonally or surgically, or choose to identify with a different pronoun. That's entirely up to that individual. But do not spend millions of taxpayer dollars to accommodate them or ask everyone to learn their "pronoun". They still should be treated with respect and not called "freaks"

Well said

Sadly for you the science does support my view. There are about 140,000 intersex born each year. Not a trivial number. That is just one example, but there is no point arguing, I see you are not interested in acknowledging anyones views but your own.

So, lets let the thread return to the original question which was to stir up a dog whistle on anything other than your view.

I do not base my concept of sex on religion. I am an agnostic. In my previous post I said " what God or nature made you" in order include both religious and non- religious points of view. I believe in science but I don't hold only with science that tells me what supports my point of view. Science is constantly evolving and my point of view changes as science changes. I don't let politics or social cliques or PC standards of the day dictate what or how I think. Therefore, in keeping with the theme of the thread, I stand by my position that your are what your DNA says you are, regardless of surgery, drugs, lifestyle preference, etc.

Seriously!!!!

God made Male and Female period , what you think you are or how you think you are is irrelevant.

Can I ask for them to check?
 

Sone agents are very pretty....

Pick and chose what "science" from who, what methodology that supports your opinion, 160,000. if you accept that number, how was it arrived at, out of how many, as another poster said they shouldn't be abused because of it but it is nothing that warrants all the PC attention, time trouble and concern. Give people in the future something to shake their heads about considering larger issues that will affect our society going forward

Care to cite a legitimate reference for that number and also define "intersex"? And even if we acknowledge 140,000 as correct, out of 7 billion on the planet that equals 0.00002%, so YES, it IS a trivial number. The ONLY correct statement you have made so far is that there is no point arguing. I have no need to try to educate another "Dr. Google".

Don't Care.

:ohdear::ohdear:

I thought I turned the camera off. That's why I'm getting all those PM's from women.

They have plenty of freaks.....some even write rules.

Yep, quite simple... "XX" or "XY". Who knew that that single day is middle school science class would end up being so important. Most people don't know or can't remember which is man and which is woman. Buried bones DON'T LIE. Take Women and Men signs off public bathroom doors and put up XX and XY. For Sports... XX , XY and third classification "??" Or "fejutdeguetsbmc".

You are the gender you were born with. Period. Any other claim is BS

VERY well said!! No one says you have to join the crazies. Wonder how they handle the hermaphrodite

And there is still another

I imagine The Villages Senior Games will be using this in a couple years😳

Suggestion: Sensitive Atheists could simply exchange the word “God” with the word “nature” and just let it go. Or alternatively just go off on a tangent.

Well he missed me out.
I am male and have never had a period!:icon_wink:

With tongs.

I’ve been waiting for this to happen. I think I’m going to “Identify” as a Klingon non-binary on my TSA Precheck ID. How “WOKE” can we get?

Every morning that I wake up on the right side of the grass and look at all the beauty around me, I thank God not science. Personally I liked it better when men wanted to be men and women wanted to be women. That being said, If someone wants to play dress up and are not hurting anyone there are bigger issues in the world to worry about.