E 15 gasoline
 

So pleased to hear that E15 gasoline will be available this summer. Whoops my car and a lot of other cars won’t run on E15.

E10 is bad enough, I prefer the E Zero.

Vote people, get out and vote

Most modern cars will adjust (via the computer) for E15.

Does the ballot say E15, yes or no?

As I understand it, your mileage will be reduced by ethanol, I am not posting ( or posing) as an expert.

Ethanol contains about one-third less energy than gasoline. So, vehicles will typically go 3% to 4% fewer miles per gallon on E10 and 4% to 5% fewer on E15 than on 100% gasoline."...

Just be thankful you’ll be able to get any gasoline

I am wondering if the use of E15 will have any effect on a vehicle's warranty????

Or a golf cart warranty, all of these state E10 gas.......

I am not sure that I would make this a determinate for whom I vote, since I have a diesel. . . or otherwise. Am thinking this is a minor issue. . .

Both my vehicles state they can run on E15. However, my cart specifies E10. Not sure how E15 would affect the warranty on my cart but I would rather not find out.

I hope this newest move simply means that E15 will be available where E15 is normally available in the winter and all our E10 pumps will be unchanged.

The owners manual for my 2021 Santa Fe says not to use e15 because it could damage your engine and decrease your power. I will follow that. It also says use of e15 could affect the warranty

Doesn't it read: Never use gasohol containing more than 15% ethanol?

E15 contains 15% or less ethanol and so would not seem to conflict with the guidance in the manual.

No, it reads that the Santa Fe is not suitable for e15 gasoline because it could damage your engine

It seems you won't have to worry too much about it because most stations likely won't have it for quite a long time and by then it will probably be moot anyway.

E15 fuel is available only "at a few thousand pumps today," but said the U.S. will invest $100 million in biofuel infrastructure. E15 gas is currently available at about 2,300 fueling stations, according to the Department of Energy.

Even Uncle Sen. Chucky G is happy about it (read his Twitter posts) because it will make all his farmers happy and even the last guy ordered it available year round but the courts shut it down and even The Supremes refused to hear it so it can't be all bad. ;)

Interesting. Seems true for 3rd gen (earlier than 2018) but 4th gen 2018-present it seems acceptable (but obviously not the best):

From 2021 Santa Fe manual page 1-5:
Gasoline containing alcohol and methanol
Gasohol, a mixture of gasoline and ethanol (also known as grain alcohol) are being
marketed along with or instead of leaded or unleaded gasoline. For example, “E15” is a
gasohol comprised of 15% ethanol and 85% gasoline.
Do not use gasohol containing more than 15% ethanol, and do not use gasoline or
gasohol containing any methanol.

All the engines available in the Hyundai Santa Fe lineup can run on regular 87 octane. Ethanol is only allowed up to 10% in all generations except for the fourth-gen (2018-present), which allows up to 15% ethanol by volume. MMT and methanol are not allowed at all. Regarding fuel additives, Hyundai recommends the TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline.


The Types Of Gas A Hyundai Santa Fe Takes (Explained) - The Driver Adviser.

So, let’s see if I understand. Food prices are soaring, the Russian invasion of Ukraine is disrupting the supply of wheat and other grain across many countries, and people are starving in many parts of the world. So let’s take an important source of food and use it to dilute gas and make it less efficient. Great friggin idea, NOT!

On a business show today they expected the cost per gallon of our current E10 blend to drop $0.10 a gallon at best. Given the reduced energy output of ethanol, the savings are a wash. Why risk your vehicle being damaged. For what it is worth, ethanol on the commodity market yesterday was selling for $3.56 a gallon.

If you take ethanol and add some sugar and other stuff to it to make it taste better, you basically have some really strong booze. I don’t want my truck to wake up with a hangover.

Sorry, the corn grown for ethanol is not suitable for eating. It is a special type designed/grown to optimize fuel production.

That said, I would be just as happy if they did away with gasohol. Don't like it or much of anything about it.

That said, It will make a very small impact on fast price for a limited number of people. So, better than nothing, but just barely.

My lovely old banger cant use E10, but has to drink E5.
It will be drunk as a skunk on E15!:ohdear:

It’s all posturing for influencing the base of the”RULING PARTY” smfhol.

I was under the impression that most cars can only handle E10, anything over that would damage your engine....can this be a way to make you buy an electric car , after your engine is destroyed ?

THEY want you to just plug it in.

Growing corn hurts the fields. The crops need to be rotated. The world could use the food.

Yep. All part of the plan.

Farmers do rotate crops. I come from a big ethanol-producing area, and farmers know how to get the most out of their soil. Usually rotate corn-soybeans.

But ethanol for fuel is an illusion anyway. America uses corn which is at best a 1-1 proposition, usually less. In other words the best you can hope for is to get as much energy OUT of the ethanol as you put into making it. Brazil is virtually petroleum-free, but their ethanol comes from sugar cane, which can be grown over much of Brazil and gives a 7-1 return, but which is limited here. We could use Sorghum, which gives back a 2-1 return, but to go that route means different farming machinery, different refining methods, etc., and could not be done overnight.

Long past time for alternate energy to run transportation. We cannot keep ourselves in this position because of oil.

I had a “flex fuel” suv. With regular unleaded I got 22 mph. With E85 the mileage went down to 17 mpg. Your actual mileage may vary. Do the math to determine if you are really saving any money using E85. Also, while you are saving money on gas with E85, you are paying more for food and other products that uses corn.

If going all the way from E10 to E85 "costs" only 5mpg then I wonder if the difference between E10 and E15 is even noticeable.

E85 is a much dirtier fuel, that’s why most major US cities ban it’s use in the summer due to increased air pollution.
The greenies will not be pleased.

Biden is temporarily allowing E15 NOT E85. “To be clear, E15 is gasoline. It's 88-octane fuel that is refined with 85 percent unleaded gas and 15 percent ethanol. E15 has been available through retail distributors since 2012 and, like the more popular E85 (unleaded gas plus between 51 and 83 percent ethanol), it can be used in all flexible-fuel vehicles.” Sep 21, 2021 MOTOTREND

The gaskets used in many cars will not stand up to E15 fuels. Gonna cause EXPENSIVE repairs.

When, they started adding alcohol to gasoline it caused gaskets to fail. My car says E10.
My golf cart is E10. Gonna be some EXPENSIVE repairs.

I perhaps read too much, remember some and expect, no demand it makes sense.
Far as corn, I've read that 80% of the calories in America come from corn. It is not just the few ears we buy at the grocery, it is a major feed for livestock.

Other interesting facts about ethanol from Honda.

Ethanol is produced from corn, soybeans, sugar cane, or other organic material. It is blended with gasoline (10% ethanol, 90% gasoline) to produce E10.

Ethanol has 28% less energy density than gasoline, so it reduces fuel efficiency.

Ethanol is an excellent solvent, drying agent and cleanser. It will clean or dissolve some parts of, and deposits in, fuel storage and fuel delivery systems, including some fuel tank materials. The dissolved material can clog filters or pass through and leave deposits on fuel injectors, fuel pumps, fuel pressure regulators, carburetor jets, intake tracts, valves, and valve guides.

High Fructose Corn Syrup is in EVERYTHING!

You may want to direct your reply to the poster who provided E85 statistics in this thread about E15 fuel.

From the Nebraska Corn Board

Field corn is the classic big ears of yellow dented corn you see dried and harvested in the fall. In fact, it’s sometime called “dent corn” because of the distinctive dent that forms on the kernel as the corn dries.

Field corn has dozens of uses, but it is most commonly fed to animals or used to make renewable fuels like ethanol to power our cars and trucks. But only part of the kernel is used for ethanol (the starch), the rest of the kernel, including the protein and fat, are then used to make another popular animal feed known as distillers grains.

People don’t eat field corn directly from the field because it’s hard and certainly not sweet. Instead, field corn must go through a mill and be converted to food products and ingredients like corn syrup, corn flakes, yellow corn chips, corn starch or corn flour.

Ya, so what’s your point? If the land, efforts, and resources used to grow field corn was instead channeled onto growing sweet corn, also known as food corn, instead of growing field corn for ethanol, the gas we use would be more efficient and the world would have a much greater food supply. Farmers grow what they are incentivize to grow, not what is best for society. Stop incentivized farmers to grow corn that pollutes gas and doesn’t feed people.