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With the Russian military shortcomings exposed, would China show interest in acquiring Russian Oil directly. Pondering how the United States would react that aggression!

I would not call China getting oil from Russia aggression. Not in our best interests for sure but China is not exactly our best friend.

The real test will come, if Russia decides to use tactical nukes in Ukraine. Will China, or the rest of the world for that matter, change their minds on the heretofore philosophy of MAD? I sure hope it never happens, but as Putin, the scumbag rat, becomes more cornered by continued military losses - who knows?

We will probably get a better deal from China on petroleum than we're getting from the oil companies. Just to mention their billions of profits first quarter of 2022.

I don't understand this post at all. Sorry. I don't know what Russian military shortcomings you are referring to, other than the issue with them (Putin? underestimating Ukraine ability to resist). And how would that impact whether China would buy Russian oil? And why would we consider that an act of aggression? We have no treaty with China saying they have to obey our sanctions?

My brother called me yesterday, he is a VERY conservative individual, and asked me about the news he keeps hearing about how Russian will beat up in a confrontation because they have more Nukes. I stopped watching conservative Media a while back, so I didn't know what he was talking about. He watches NewsMax (or something like that) and said they are reporting Russian is more advanced than we are, and they have more nukes.

America has a very well prepare military. Yes, Russia MAY have more Nukes than we do, I think the estimates are 1500 compared to 900 (or something like that). But, it only takes about 25 or so getting through to destroy Russian, or to Destroy us. So, let's just say we both have a little more than over kill. A pentagon official said recently that they have been war gaming the Ukraine conflict and every senecio that involves nukes escalates to MAD, they have not found any path that does not lead to out mutual destruction. As a movie once said, there ONLY way to win is to not play.

I stream TV get OAN, Newsmax, and Fox it seems they are very positive to Russia and if you want an off the wall freak info Wars all 4 are betting on Russia. The best example is Waffle House during the daylight hours there fine but the freaks do come on in the evening.

If China moved on Russia , whose side would we take?

China is out for China...period, The will do whatever is in their interest

None of us thought that Russia's military was the joke that it is...they are inept, which makes the nuke threat real

Russian oil
 

#1 Open up our pipeline
#2 Encourage safe drilling
#3 lower our oil costs = lower all other costs
#4 Export as much as needed to our allies
#5 Stop opposing safe natural gas & oil within the allies

#1 Which "our pipeline" are you refering to?
#2 God, I hope we do that all the time
#3 How do we "lower our oil costs" when "we" don't own the oil companies?
#4 How do we oppose safe natural gas & oil?

It depends on the price
 

China's main concern is China. If the oil is offered to them at a good price they will most likely start buying. When you get down to it every country does what is best for themselves. The U.S. for years has purchase things from somewhat unfriendly countries either because of the demand of the American people or simply because of price.

The good, the bad and the ugly
 

If putin lets the nuclear genie out of the lamp he will have demonstrated a mind set capable of initiating a first strike vs anyone.
The war game scenarios will be dusted off and both china and the usa will start to bring their own preemptive nuclear decapitation strikes plans to the forefront. Let's hope there are some powerful people in russia who saw the movie, the dead zone.

It is called the law of supply and demand. There have been several times the oil and the energy exploration sector had been devastated. I know since I have relatives in the business.

Oil was around $50 a barrel in Jan 2020. Then US policy changed and became hostile to new pipelines and oil exploration and drilling. So unsurprisingly oil prices climbed to over $90 pre Ukraine invasion. If you want lower prices and lower oil company profits, then drill baby drill.

I recommend you seek out alternative news sources. Oil Price Charts | Oilprice.com

Here is another thought on using tactical nukes. While it is certainly possible and where she would do this. It would destroy about 15 to 20% of the world's production of grain. If they only used one or two bombs would probably destroyed $50,000 100,000 ukrainians but quite probably close to the same amount of Russian soldiers and caused massive radiation sickness do another quarter million people. We always talk about mad Mutual assured destruction oh, but I'm pretty sure the heads of state of the Free World would probably do nothing cuz they would not want to go to the Second Step afterwards. This is just one scenario. Of course we have at least six or a countries with atomic weapon tree in Europe alone and it would be certain repercussions depending on whether or not we did anything back so I sure would be worried that North Korea for a Muslim state would look at this as free will to do what they want with their weaponry also.
Further you going to have China deciding to attack Taiwan, if the US does very little more to protect the Ukraine..
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What I would really like to see happen now over the next month, would be for most of the small non-aligned countries as well as some of the larger ones such as Canada, Mexico, Aruba, Brazil, South Africa, put together a large Force who actually go into Ukraine to help fight Russia.

Canada has about 50 fighter aircraft old but usable and about 80 leopard tanks so they could easily send over to the Ukraine right now. There are about four Muslim countries Saudi Arabia and Egypt could have huge stock piles of equipment. They are trying to sit it out but since we helped Kuwait I think all the favors must be pulled in at this time. No the u.s. do not have to provide soldiers since is probably 30 million soldiers available in all of these other countries. What I suggest is pretty scary I think when the first plane load of soldiers lands, putin will decide the war is unwinable and had enough death. After all that's what a really UN would be doing. Or a strong American president to bring together free countries to fight a dictator

Remember, Winston Churchill once said nations do not have friends only self interests.

My wife commented this morning that every time a person talks or quotes the "rising price of a gallon of gasoline," you should have to show the record profits of the oil companies whining about cost try a comparison to profit too.
The largest fuel Companies Shell Reports Record $9 Billion Quarterly Profit 2022 1st quarter As Oil And Gas Prices Surged

ExxonMobil DOUBLES its profits and intends to triple its buybacks while Chevron more than TRIPLES its profits, raking in it highest returns since 2012

Said it before ... sayin' it again ... Big oil is ripping off consumers and profiteering off of the Ukrainian war.
You just don't start to drill and out of the ground pops oil. Many oil drilling companies in 2020 folded due to the pandemic when oil was a $40 a barrel

Profits are up compared to last year, when we were still in a lock down?

Who would have thought such a thing was possible?

There is only uninformed opinion in the above. Best to trust others with some real knowledge of facts. Pushing old Canadian planes to Ukraine wouldn't be viable. The logistical support for training , maintenance spares, support equipment, weopns, fuel etc would take years. Military aircraft are not rent-a-cars. Calling in favors from the countries mentioned is a non starter. 30 Million soldiers is a made up number. I.E. USA has only 1.3 Million active duty and the majority are not soldiers.

And Putin's response to the first planeload is unknown.

No matter how much faith we have in our leadership, it is certain they have better knowledge than any of us.

If our President would just OPEN OUR OWN pipeline, we wouldn't have these problems!!!!!

Getting Oil to China
 

Logistically, there is no good way for China to get oil from Russia. There is only one small pipeline in Siberia. The rest of the pipelines go west so China would have to sail the oil through European waters. The US is not worried about China getting much Russian oil.

Bingo. The bumbling bear has nuclear teeth.

This is vintage Russian, by the way, repeated throughout history. They've never been all that efficient militarily. It goes back to Peter the Great and probably even earlier, but examples from the lifetimes of some of us, there are some good examples. Russia, in the Winter War (1939) invaded Finland with every hope that they'd subdue that relative tiny country in a matter of weeks. Didn't happen. The Finns under Mannerheim kicked some major-league Russian butt. A saying among the Finns exemplified that: "Their army is so big, and our country so small--where will we find room to bury them all?" It was only through sheer numbers and a total disregard for the lives of their own soldiers, that in the end Russia (The Soviet Union, then), won. But even their victory did little to save their reputation.

Same thing in WW II. The German armies in operation Barbarossa rolled through the Soviets with little resistance, killing and capturing hundreds of thousands (in the end, millions). It didn't help much that Stalin had purged his military of most of the officers worth their salt. In the end, the Germans were stopped, but only because of the Russians' three best generals (General Mud, General Frost, and General Distance) intervened in the nick of time, and the bloody process was reversed, with the Russians slowly pushing the Germans back into the heart of Germany. But even here their disregard for life--even the lives of their own--was apparent. The Russians lost over 80,000 dead in ONE battle: the Battle for Berlin; a battle whose outcome was inevitable in any case. That number of dead lost by the Soviets in one battle, incidentally, is nearly TWICE the number of dead that America lost in the entire Vietnam war.

The very ineptitude the Russian military has demonstrated so far, in my opinion, not only makes Russian use of nukes likely, but inevitable. And the aid being poured into Ukraine only adds more fuel to that particular (near future) conflagration. They will use whatever it takes, without regard for lives lost, even if those lives are their own.

Putin cannot afford to lose this war.

Why would we take either side?

If the nukes start flying, we don't have to worry about oil ....

Oil companies don’t control price of oil they sell it on open market, stock market does. So blame stock traders.

Wait till Reddy kilowatt goes on stock exchange. See where price I’d electricity goes.

Your wife is Smart! Great point .. The News stations should report Oil profits

China invading Russia would threaten our European Friends

Which pipeline? People keep this political dog whistle, and never say which. If it is Keystone that is a NOT a problem,, since the Keystone was NOT closed. The extension was stopped, but it was NOT in use, it was NOT delivering oil, and would not have for another year at least, and that is NOT contributing to our oil supply issues. That is BS from the media, and you are falling for it.

"Using the oil and gas industry’s own track record, CAP estimated how long it would take for companies to start production on all of these idle acres, if they so desired. Over the past five years, the industry has started production on an average of 106,980 acres each fiscal year. At this rate, the current stockpile of idle acres can see the industry through fiscal year 2030 without requiring a single new lease. "

Here is a report of WHY it is not the current administrations fault, and it is NOT favorable to the current administration, it just shows the lying industry for what it is.

Oil and Gas Companies Are Lying About How Much Oil They Control on U.S. Public Lands - Center for American Progress

Okay, so what exactly is your suggestion? You have said what we are doing is wrong, that is trying to save lives and help an Allie. What do you suggest would work better?

What would work better?

Nothing. Nothing would work better.

Our biggest problem as a nation is that we tend to see the affairs of other nations through the tinted lens of our own idealism and ignore history in the process. Our idealism (in part, anyway) motivates us to be the world's policeman but that rarely works out well and we've gotten a whole lot of bloody noses in the process. I think my tax dollar can be spent in a whole lot of better ways than pouring fuel on the various fires in the world.

Russia vs. Ukraine is a couple of things. First, it is a family squabble. Russia and Ukraine share a religion, a culture, and a way of life. I've known several Ukrainians in my time and have noticed that when they talk about themselves they refer to their nationality as "Russian--UKRAINIAN Russian". But the key word is Russian. Russia and Ukraine have been part of the same country off and on throughout history. The leaders of Russia have been titled "Tsar and autocrat of ALL the Russias", and one of those Russias is most definitely Ukraine. They've been part of the same country during most of the 20th Century.

Second, Ukraine, aside from Belarus, is Russia's last buffer against Europe, and before this conflict there was a LOT of talk about how Ukraine might become a member of NATO. There are a lot of Russians who remember WW II. We might think that an invasion by Western European powers is a ludicrous idea but most assuredly Russia does not. Most of the former iron curtain countries, which formed a virtually impregnable buffer after WW II, are now either neutral, cozying up to the west or are themselves members of NATO. And Ukraine happens to have a nice wide flat plain which could (in the past, has) serve beautifully as a highway to Russia itself.

We have no dog in this fight, and personally I don't much care how many Russians and Ukrainians kill each other. We have no treaty obligation to Ukraine. There is no vital American interest (in my opinion the ONLY reason we should ever interfere in another country's affairs) at stake. We stand to gain nothing, and to lose a lot.

Do nothing.

So, you are defending Russia's position?

Nope. Ours.

Nope. Ours. What does America have to gain by interfering in this conflict? Opposed, that is, to what we stand to lose if Putin does go to his nukes?

Personally I don't really care which country--Russia or Ukraine--wins. None of my business.

History is interesting What would happen- IF. Is history controlled? Can history be controlled? They were not supposed to do that.

NATO. An attack on one is an attack on all. WOW but what does that mean. Russia, China, the US are all nuclear powers. Most of us have no comprehension of what nuclear war would mean. Climate change?

Duck and cover? I have a heavy steel desk. Can I even get under my desk? Is there room for my wife? Choice, would you choose a quick death or a slow one.

I am thankful I can complain and I do not need to make the choices.

We ALL have choices to make. Oil, record profits etc etc etc. We all have the option to buy stock in oil companies. I did. By the way oil company stocks were down today. Perhaps, an opportunity to buy in,

The Ukrainian war? We will not know how this will end. History is interesting no shortage of theories for WWII, had Chamberland stood up to Hitler in the beginning the horror that was WWII would not have happened. In reality we will never know THE PATH NOT TAKEN.

The US has a pledge to defend Ukraine because as part of the Cuban Missal crisis, they agreed to remove missals aimed at Russia.

A solution, I DO NOT SEE ANY GOOD ONE. Chance of Putin, first of all he will not be calling ME for my opinion. Chance of Putin saying sorry world not only are we pulling out of Ukraine but Russia will bankrupt itself to restore Ukraine. What about civilians killed in Ukraine due to attacking population centers?

Hopefully sooner rather than later his generals will decide they are tired of dying for Putin and will remove him from office. Hopefully with someone whom the world can work with and be at peace with.

Eeney meeney miney mo
 

point 1. Quick death
point 2. If you voted you have already made a choice

You have to stop them somewhere
 

If you do nothing your right we won't have to worry about nukes and Putin won't have to worry about rolling tanks up Pennsylvania Ave.

If there is anything you had to learn from WWII when you appease a tyrant their not going to stop until they rule the world.

Point of order
 

fyi

Sanction China?

I think the Chinese have a bigger problem than who they get oil from . China has only 12 and 1/2 percent renewable clean water . Look at China’s imports of clean drinking water . Their land and air is polluted. Importing oil is not aggression. Now how they pay for oil is a different story . What currency do they use ?