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milling73 05-14-2022 08:57 AM

Amenity Fees
 
Is there a cap on the annual amenity fees increase? Our new bill shows an increase of $14.13 for June, or 9.5%.

Last year the increase was about 2.5% increase.

Number 10 GI 05-14-2022 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by milling73 (Post 2095351)
Is there a cap on the annual amenity fees increase? Our new bill shows an increase of $14.13 for June, or 9.5%.

Last year the increase was about 2.5% increase.

I can't answer your question on a cap but the inflation rate right now is 8.5% with no end in sight.

biker1 05-14-2022 09:24 AM

The amenity fee increases are tied to the CPI (not sure exactly which flavor of CPI, there are several) on the anniversary of the sale of your home. The exact language is in your deed restriction, which can be viewed on districtgov.org.

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Originally Posted by milling73 (Post 2095351)
Is there a cap on the annual amenity fees increase? Our new bill shows an increase of $14.13 for June, or 9.5%.

Last year the increase was about 2.5% increase.


Garywt 05-14-2022 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2095357)
The amenity fee increases are tied to the CPI (not sure exactly which flavor of CPI, there are several) on the anniversary of the sale of your home. The exact language is in your deed restriction, which can be viewed on districtgov.org.

$14 a month seems high. Mine went up a couple dollars back in March which is our anniversary date. Ours is about $177 a month.

biker1 05-14-2022 09:45 AM

Ours increased by $12.05 to $173.12 in March 2022. That is 7.48% and matches the CPI-U for January 2022. The CPI-U for March and April 2022 are 8.5% and 8.3%, respectively. For March 2021, it was 2.6%.

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Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2095362)
$14 a month seems high. Mine went up a couple dollars back in March which is our anniversary date. Ours is about $177 a month.


Toymeister 05-14-2022 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2095357)
The amenity fee increases are tied to the CPI (not sure exactly which flavor of CPI, there are several) on the anniversary of the sale of your home. The exact language is in your deed restriction, which can be viewed on districtgov.org.

It is the CPI-U. U for urban workers, this is the most commonly reported CPI. The CPI-U varies depending on the start and end month, it does even out over the years.

This CPI is not reflective of how seniors spend their income. I only mention that because YOUR CPI rate is probably quite different than CPI-U.

CPI-U is weighted on housing costs. If you own your home most of this does not impact you (housing costs include utilities) it's fairly light on medical.

biker1 05-14-2022 10:06 AM

Yes, my increase seems to match up with CPI-U. I thought it may have been CPI-W but checking the numbers indicates it is CPI-U.

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Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2095370)
It is the CPI-U. U for urban workers, this is the most commonly reported CPI.

This CPI is not reflective of how seniors spend their income. I only mention that because YOUR CPI rate is probably quite different than CPI-U.

CPI-U is weighted on housing costs. If you own your home most of this does not impact you (housing costs include utilities) it's fairly light on medical.


tophcfa 05-14-2022 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2095370)
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This CPI is not reflective of how seniors spend their income. I only mention that because YOUR CPI rate is probably quite different than CPI-U.

You got that right. A better CPI would be based on food, medical costs, gas, utilities, property and casualty insurance, and of course beer and green fees.

Luggage 05-15-2022 04:26 AM

Better for who?

Luggage 05-15-2022 04:27 AM

No cpi figures in the Medicare of raises either .!

Bay Kid 05-15-2022 07:08 AM

They are making it all funny money, but they lowered Dad's SS.

MandoMan 05-15-2022 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by milling73 (Post 2095351)
Is there a cap on the annual amenity fees increase? Our new bill shows an increase of $14.13 for June, or 9.5%.

Last year the increase was about 2.5% increase.

While the slight increase may be based on the Consumer Price Index, the fact remains that the cost of providing the amenities we enjoy is going up. Salaries have gone up. The cost of supplies has gone up. The cost of fuel has gone up. We have to split that cost between us. If we don’t like the cost going up, we can cut out some amenities. What amenities are you willing to give up in order to save yourself $14 a month? The Neighborhood Watch? Flowers along the roadways? Lawn mowing along the roadways? Picking up litter all over the place? Nightly entertainment at the town squares?

Mushkie 05-15-2022 07:25 AM

A cap is not desirable or realistic
 
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Originally Posted by milling73 (Post 2095351)
Is there a cap on the annual amenity fees increase? Our new bill shows an increase of $14.13 for June, or 9.5%.

Last year the increase was about 2.5% increase.

As a lover of all that The Villages has to offer and as a common sense sort of person that knows how the real world works- capping amenities fee would be disastrous- we wouldn’t want LESS beauty or LESS activities or LESS MAINTENANCE just like we wouldn’t want LESS cost of living increase in our salary or pension or social security.

Stu from NYC 05-15-2022 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MandoMan (Post 2095529)
While the slight increase may be based on the Consumer Price Index, the fact remains that the cost of providing the amenities we enjoy is going up. Salaries have gone up. The cost of supplies has gone up. The cost of fuel has gone up. We have to split that cost between us. If we don’t like the cost going up, we can cut out some amenities. What amenities are you willing to give up in order to save yourself $14 a month? The Neighborhood Watch? Flowers along the roadways? Lawn mowing along the roadways? Picking up litter all over the place? Nightly entertainment at the town squares?

We do get a lot for our amenity fee so no complaints here.

Lindaws 05-15-2022 08:39 AM

No cap. We had one but was cancelled. It had been capped at $155. No more!

BBBnWitty 05-15-2022 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MandoMan (Post 2095529)
While the slight increase may be based on the Consumer Price Index, the fact remains that the cost of providing the amenities we enjoy is going up. Salaries have gone up. The cost of supplies has gone up. The cost of fuel has gone up. We have to split that cost between us. If we don’t like the cost going up, we can cut out some amenities. What amenities are you willing to give up in order to save yourself $14 a month? The Neighborhood Watch? Flowers along the roadways? Lawn mowing along the roadways? Picking up litter all over the place? Nightly entertainment at the town squares?

The Villages hires folks to pick up litter? Just curious. Thanks.

MartinSE 05-15-2022 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BBBnWitty (Post 2095627)
The Villages hires folks to pick up litter? Just curious. Thanks.

Not "The Villages" which normally means the dev's. But the CCD for each area do, and a lot more. I saw a road vacuum going down our road the other night after midnight. They don't do that out of the kindness of their hearts, they are paid.

rustyp 05-15-2022 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MandoMan (Post 2095529)
While the slight increase may be based on the Consumer Price Index, the fact remains that the cost of providing the amenities we enjoy is going up. Salaries have gone up. The cost of supplies has gone up. The cost of fuel has gone up. We have to split that cost between us. If we don’t like the cost going up, we can cut out some amenities. What amenities are you willing to give up in order to save yourself $14 a month? The Neighborhood Watch? Flowers along the roadways? Lawn mowing along the roadways? Picking up litter all over the place? Nightly entertainment at the town squares?


The faux water tower and windmill in Brownwood.

Speedie 05-15-2022 01:22 PM

Cut back on community watch. I can check my own garage door
Main benifit goes to protecting the homes under construction from theft

Speedie 05-15-2022 01:24 PM

Tie the increase to the annual SS increase %

biker1 05-15-2022 02:01 PM

SS increases are tied to the CPI-W increase for the 3rd quarter compared to the previous 3rd quarter. Amenity increases appear to be tied to CPI-U increase for the month around when you signed the sales contract. CPI-W and CPI-U weigh the various expenditure categories differently but are generally pretty close to each other.

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Originally Posted by Speedie (Post 2095691)
Tie the increase to the annual SS increase %


Villages Kahuna 05-15-2022 09:29 PM

Amenity Fees Plus Trail Fees Is A Chunk Of Change
 
For all you golfers coming down for the “free” golf, the total of Amenity Fees plus Trail Fees is a real chunk of change—well over $150 a month!

davem4616 05-15-2022 10:03 PM

the fees are only going to go up

as long at TV continues to have an attractive 'park like' atmosphere...I guess I'm okay with the increases

noslices1 05-16-2022 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 2095785)
For all you golfers coming down for the “free” golf, the total of Amenity Fees plus Trail Fees is a real chunk of change—well over $150 a month!

Not just golf, but pools and rec centers and gate guards and Community Watch, beautification and many other items that you don’t think of. All this stuff costs $$$ and prices are going up.

frose 05-16-2022 09:56 AM

cut down on all of the above.

JoMar 05-16-2022 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedie (Post 2095687)
Cut back on community watch. I can check my own garage door
Main benifit goes to protecting the homes under construction from theft

No clue

Stu from NYC 05-16-2022 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by frose (Post 2095936)
cut down on all of the above.

Happy to live in a place we can be proud of

HIgolfers 05-16-2022 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2095549)
We do get a lot for our amenity fee so no complaints here.

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Originally Posted by MandoMan (Post 2095529)
While the slight increase may be based on the Consumer Price Index, the fact remains that the cost of providing the amenities we enjoy is going up. Salaries have gone up. The cost of supplies has gone up. The cost of fuel has gone up. We have to split that cost between us. If we don’t like the cost going up, we can cut out some amenities. What amenities are you willing to give up in order to save yourself $14 a month? The Neighborhood Watch? Flowers along the roadways? Lawn mowing along the roadways? Picking up litter all over the place? Nightly entertainment at the town squares?

I don’t think flowers need to be replaced 3-4 times a year. I don’t understand why they don’t just plant perennials. Could still look nice.

Stu from NYC 05-16-2022 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HIgolfers (Post 2096053)
I don’t think flowers need to be replaced 3-4 times a year. I don’t understand why they don’t just plant perennials. Could still look nice.

Would guess we see flowers longer the way they do it than via perennials

biker1 05-16-2022 06:12 PM

I believe the flowers that you see at the entrances to the different Villages, roundabouts, etc. come out of the Maintenance Fee, a line item on your property taxes.

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Originally Posted by HIgolfers (Post 2096053)
I don’t think flowers need to be replaced 3-4 times a year. I don’t understand why they don’t just plant perennials. Could still look nice.


Bay Kid 05-17-2022 06:44 AM

Cheap to keep everything so beautiful.

Villages Kahuna 05-17-2022 07:52 AM

“free golf” costs $189 a month!
 
Add in the Trail Fees of about $144 a year ($4 per round) and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf “costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.

dewilson58 05-17-2022 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 2096204)
Add in the Trail Fees .[/B]

Always funny.

:1rotfl:

Villages Kahuna 05-17-2022 07:55 AM

“free golf” costs $189 a month!
 
Add in the Trail Fees of about $144 a year ($4 per round) and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the free golf costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.

dewilson58 05-17-2022 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 2096209)
Add in the Trail Fees [/B]

Jus as funny the second time.

Bilyclub 05-17-2022 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 2096209)
Add in the Trail Fees of about $144 a year ($4 per round) and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the free golf costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.


Walk X 2 = FREE


.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Bogie Shooter 05-17-2022 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2096211)
Jus as funny the second time.

There is an echo on this thread.:MOJE_whot::duck:

pauld315 05-17-2022 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 2096204)
Add in the Trail Fees of about $144 a year ($4 per round) and the free golf ain’t so free. If you play two rounds every weekend the “free golf “costs you almost $24 per round on the Executive courses.

That must be new math. The way I learned was that is you play 104 rounds a year (2 rounds every weekend) and it costs $144 then it equals around $1.39 per round. also, the 144 covers the entire household so you could have 2 - 4 people getting trail fees for a year for 144

askcarl 05-17-2022 12:38 PM

Give until it hurts and then One Pint more...

Stu from NYC 05-17-2022 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pauld315 (Post 2096250)
That must be new math. The way I learned was that is you play 104 rounds a year (2 rounds every weekend) and it costs $144 then it equals around $1.39 per round. also, the 144 covers the entire household so you could have 2 - 4 people getting trail fees for a year for 144

So you can save money on golf by having a dozen people living in your house.


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