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bsloan1960 09-02-2022 04:30 PM

Home Based Businesses Now Allowed in TV?
 
In our closing documents was a list of rules- one of which was that running a business from your home in TV was not allowed. Since many people are collecting revenue from their YouTube channels dedicated to the subject of life in TV I assume these are businesses. Are there in fact some businesses that are allowed and others that would be shut down? I assume that many Villages operate home based businesses to supplement their income.

Bill14564 09-02-2022 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2132494)
In our closing documents was a list of rules- one of which was that running a business from your home in TV was not allowed. Since many people are collecting revenue from their YouTube channels dedicated to the subject of life in TV I assume these are businesses. Are there in fact some businesses that are allowed and others that would be shut down? I assume that many Villages operate home based businesses to supplement their income.

You need to read that restriction more closely.

Babubhat 09-02-2022 05:19 PM

Check google maps of the area and you will see many businesses at homes

Djean1981 09-02-2022 06:06 PM

I believe the intent is not having customers come and go at your house, which would increase traffic. I'm sure there are youtubers, authors, artists that "sell" their work, which was done at home.

Stu from NYC 09-02-2022 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2132494)
In our closing documents was a list of rules- one of which was that running a business from your home in TV was not allowed. Since many people are collecting revenue from their YouTube channels dedicated to the subject of life in TV I assume these are businesses. Are there in fact some businesses that are allowed and others that would be shut down? I assume that many Villages operate home based businesses to supplement their income.

Where does it say that? Lots of home based businesses in the villages

tophcfa 09-02-2022 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Djean1981 (Post 2132510)
I believe the intent is not having customers come and go at your house, which would increase traffic. I'm sure there are youtubers, authors, artists that "sell" their work, which was done at home.

I think that is correct. Home businesses are considered an internal deed restriction, unlike outside decorations which are considered external. External restrictions are enforced by community standards, which I believe is part of the CDD’s. Internal restrictions are enforced by the developer. Unfortunately, internal deed violations appear to be very selectively enforced. Furthermore, it appears the developer looks the other way on enforcing shutting down Air B&B operations. If they enforced that particular restriction it would eliminate a pocket of demand for new home sales, which apparently takes priority. It’s kind of hypocritical to have the deed restrictions and selectively choose which ones should be enforced.

EdFNJ 09-02-2022 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2132494)
In our closing documents was a list of rules- one of which was that running a business from your home in TV was not allowed. Since many people are collecting revenue from their YouTube channels dedicated to the subject of life in TV I assume these are businesses. Are there in fact some businesses that are allowed and others that would be shut down? I assume that many Villages operate home based businesses to supplement their income.

They just don't want drive-in massage parlors, drug dens or hookah lounges where lots of cars will fill the streets. :jester:

JMintzer 09-03-2022 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 2132548)
They just don't want drive-in massage parlors, drug dens or hookah lounges where lots of cars will fill the streets. :jester:

Well, there go my retirement plans! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Papa_lecki 09-03-2022 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2132494)
In our closing documents was a list of rules- one of which was that running a business from your home in TV was not allowed. Since many people are collecting revenue from their YouTube channels dedicated to the subject of life in TV I assume these are businesses. Are there in fact some businesses that are allowed and others that would be shut down? I assume that many Villages operate home based businesses to supplement their income.

Why do we care about a couple of grandparents making YouTube videos at home making a few thousand dollars a year?

Laker14 09-03-2022 05:52 AM

Some rules are in place in order to enforce a certain degree of civility. For example, when you see a sign on the boardwalk to a public beach that says "No Alcoholic Beverages", it is unlikely that anyone is going to look into your Yeti cup to see if you've spiked your drink with alcohol. However, if a bunch of college kids set up umbrellas, with towels and coolers and start littering the place up with beer cans, and get rowdy, and disturb others, the alcohol prohibition becomes a convenient way to get the rowdies to either behave, or make them leave.
Applying the same logic to the restrictions on home businesses, as long as the enterprise doesn't affect the peace and quiet of the neighborhood, there is no need to enforce it. If the business creates a daily flow of traffic, parked cars and noise that affects the livability of the neighbors, then it can be enforced.

Stu from NYC 09-03-2022 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2132567)
Well, there go my retirement plans! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Sorry:smiley:

BrianL99 09-03-2022 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2132536)
I think that is correct. Home businesses are considered an internal deed restriction, unlike outside decorations which are considered external. External restrictions are enforced by community standards, which I believe is part of the CDD’s. Internal restrictions are enforced by the developer. Unfortunately, internal deed violations appear to be very selectively enforced. Furthermore, it appears the developer looks the other way on enforcing shutting down Air B&B operations. If they enforced that particular restriction it would eliminate a pocket of demand for new home sales, which apparently takes priority. It’s kind of hypocritical to have the deed restrictions and selectively choose which ones should be enforced.

Where do people come up with this stuff? & why do people who don't know what they're talking about, have the need to present nonsense, like it's fact?

Deed restrictions (in most situations) only concern 3 things: use, appearance & modification. There's no such thing as "internal" or "external". The restrictions are not enforced by the "Developer", they are enforced by the CDD or by someone who's a 3rd part beneficiary to the restriction. If you think your neighbor is violating a restriction and you don't like it, sue.

Most every village in the The Villages, has different Deed Restrictions than their neighboring village. What's prohibited on one street, may be allowed on the street next to it. Generalizing about deed restrictions is a fool's errand.

The definition of the terms "business", "home occupation" as well as AirBnb type operations are in flux, in most every community in the United States and not likely to be settled, any time soon. Times change. Consider the 2nd Amendment. It's been over 200 years and still, no one agrees if AK-47's were what the founding fathers had in mind.

MrFlorida 09-03-2022 06:58 AM

Ask Jerry & Linda

asianthree 09-03-2022 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2132570)
Why do we care about a couple of grandparents making YouTube videos at home making a few thousand dollars a year?

A not so great blogger makes only a few thousand a year,
a good blogger makes $80,000.

A influencer blogger brings in $150,000, and up.

Still calling it running a business out of their home is a stretch.

Bill14564 09-03-2022 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2132606)
Where do people come up with this stuff? & why do people who don't know what they're talking about, have the need to present nonsense, like it's fact?

Deed restrictions (in most situations) only concern 3 things: use, appearance & modification. There's no such thing as "internal" or "external". The restrictions are not enforced by the "Developer", they are enforced by the CDD or by someone who's a 3rd part beneficiary to the restriction. If you think your neighbor is violating a restriction and you don't like it, sue.

Most every village in the The Villages, has different Deed Restrictions than their neighboring village. What's prohibited on one street, may be allowed on the street next to it. Generalizing about deed restrictions is a fool's errand.

The definition of the terms "business", "home occupation" as well as AirBnb type operations are in flux, in most every community in the United States and not likely to be settled, any time soon. Times change. Consider the 2nd Amendment. It's been over 200 years and still, no one agrees if AK-47's were what the founding fathers had in mind.

That's a very good question you pose. You don't live around here or spend much time learning about the form of Govt around here, do you? If you did then you would realize that you are the one lacking knowledge.

Deed restrictions are very similar in every section. Why would they not be? They are all written by the developer and the developer is the same for every section.

Deed restriction agreements are between the homeowner and the developer. The developer has allowed/requested the CDD take action to enforce restrictions applying to the outside of the home (external deed restrictions). Restrictions applying to within the home (internal deed restrictions) are enforced through actions of the developer.

I believe some of the "selective enforcement" of deed restrictions is actually proper enforcement of a misunderstood rule. For example, people hear "residential only, no business" and believe that is the restriction. It is not. The restriction mentions three specific activities that are not allowed. Creating youtube videos or renting the house as an AirBnb does not involve those activities so does not violate that restriction. But to those who don't read the restrictions carefully, it could look as though there is selective enforcement.

EdFNJ 09-03-2022 09:21 AM

Pre-planning for my hookah lounge/massage parlor, I wanted to check if it was permitted:

Business deed restriction in Amelia in CDD-6 reads in it's entirety:
Page 2, Section 2.9: Properties within the subdivision are intended for residential use and no commercial, professional or similar activity requiring either maintaining an inventory, equipment or customer/client visits may be conducted in a Home or on a Homesite.

That would also eliminate any possible mail order adult toy business. Oh well, so much for that. :cryin2:

SGR720 09-03-2022 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2132494)
In our closing documents was a list of rules- one of which was that running a business from your home in TV was not allowed. Since many people are collecting revenue from their YouTube channels dedicated to the subject of life in TV I assume these are businesses. Are there in fact some businesses that are allowed and others that would be shut down? I assume that many Villages operate home based businesses to supplement their income.

The document we received at our closing in 2002 is titled Declaration of Restrictions relating to: The Villages of Lake-Sumter Unit no. 39 a subdivision of Sumter Count, Florida etc. Unit 39 is a section of the Village of Glenbrook, so the restrictions listed cover every lot within Unit 39. Your Unit and Lot # are shown on your Villages ID above the barcode.

The specific restriction relating to business is 2.9 under Use of Property and states: "PROPERTIES WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION ARE INTENDED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE AND NO COMMERCIAL, PROFESSIONAL OR SIMILAR ACTIVITY REQUIRING EITHER MAINTAINING AN INVENTORY, OR CUSTOMER/CLIENT VISITS MAY BE CONDUCTED IN A HOME OR ON A LOT." This document is a public record and is filed with Sumter County.

I'm pretty sure that this is one restriction that applies to all residential properties in the Villages, but you would have to read the document that applies to your Unit to be certain. As with all deed restriction violations in TV it's enforced if it's reported.

Stu from NYC 09-03-2022 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 2132691)
Pre-planning for my hookah lounge/massage parlor, I wanted to check if it was permitted:

Business deed restriction in Amelia in CDD-6 reads in it's entirety:
Page 2, Section 2.9: Properties within the subdivision are intended for residential use and no commercial, professional or similar activity requiring either maintaining an inventory, equipment or customer/client visits may be conducted in a Home or on a Homesite.

That would also eliminate any possible mail order adult toy business. Oh well, so much for that. :cryin2:

So much for anyone starting a new adult toy business in their home. Can you do it and conduct your business at a rec center? Asking for a friend.

bsloan1960 09-03-2022 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2132570)
Why do we care about a couple of grandparents making YouTube videos at home making a few thousand dollars a year?

Didn't say I cared or objected. I asked for clarification. I may want to operate a business from TV some day and wanted to know what was allowed and what wasn't

vintageogauge 09-03-2022 03:24 PM

In the early days of Fenney there were two home businesses shut down, both involved the selling of food which at the time would have been a great business to have there for the owner as well as for the residents.

EdFNJ 09-03-2022 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 2132810)
In the early days of Fenney there were two home businesses shut down, both involved the selling of food which at the time would have been a great business to have there for the owner as well as for the residents.

And would also likely need some sort of county health department inspections and such which they probably didn't have which would be a major reason to shut it down even if it wasn't excluded from D.R.'s..

Laker14 09-03-2022 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2132614)
A not so great blogger makes only a few thousand a year,
a good blogger makes $80,000.

A influencer blogger brings in $150,000, and up.

Still calling it running a business out of their home is a stretch.

Where can I apply for that job?

Papa_lecki 09-03-2022 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2132789)
Didn't say I cared or objected. I asked for clarification. I may want to operate a business from TV some day and wanted to know what was allowed and what wasn't

I’m going to go with, it depends. If you plan to open a hair dresser, a restaurant, or a retail operation, then probably NO

If you are going to sell key chains on eBay or give French lessons via ZOOM, no one will care.

Stu from NYC 09-03-2022 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 2132810)
In the early days of Fenney there were two home businesses shut down, both involved the selling of food which at the time would have been a great business to have there for the owner as well as for the residents.

What happened to them?

jamorela 09-04-2022 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Djean1981 (Post 2132510)
I believe the intent is not having customers come and go at your house, which would increase traffic. I'm sure there are youtubers, authors, artists that "sell" their work, which was done at home.

Then how about all the residents that are renting on Airbnb!

Life as I know it 09-04-2022 06:20 AM

What about the Bed and breakfast or weekly rentals?
 
I would worry more about people running a business renting their homes out on a nightly or weekly basis. They know nothing about the people that they are bringing in which puts their neighbors at risk. Most likely these people don’t pay the taxes that is due on the money they are making.
I don’t see a problem where people run a business over the internet because they are not bringing strangers in on a nightly or weekly basis. I would not feel safe living next door to one of those businesses. The Villages have their lifestyle rentals also but they group them all together which is better for the people that own here.

mydavid 09-04-2022 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2132536)
I think that is correct. Home businesses are considered an internal deed restriction, unlike outside decorations which are considered external. External restrictions are enforced by community standards, which I believe is part of the CDD’s. Internal restrictions are enforced by the developer. Unfortunately, internal deed violations appear to be very selectively enforced. Furthermore, it appears the developer looks the other way on enforcing shutting down Air B&B operations. If they enforced that particular restriction it would eliminate a pocket of demand for new home sales, which apparently takes priority. It’s kind of hypocritical to have the deed restrictions and selectively choose which ones should be enforced.

Welcome to TV:wave:

me4vt 09-04-2022 06:45 AM

So a Brothel is out of the question? Just asking for a friend!

CoachKandSportsguy 09-04-2022 06:52 AM

Note that a commercial company is prohibited from purchasing a new home directly from the developer. I inquired and was told that was not allowed.

You can get a commercial loan, commercial insurance, and sell/transfer a house to an LLC after purchase, and as long as the commercial company is organized / reported as a residential unit, so far so good. The restriction then is that you aren't living there, restricted by insurance coverage and tax deductions. . . which conforms to the deed restriction, because it isn't your home.

smile, you are on developer TV

PJackpot 09-04-2022 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2132494)
In our closing documents was a list of rules- one of which was that running a business from your home in TV was not allowed. Since many people are collecting revenue from their YouTube channels dedicated to the subject of life in TV I assume these are businesses. Are there in fact some businesses that are allowed and others that would be shut down? I assume that many Villages operate home based businesses to supplement their income.

If you tried running an auto repair shop out of your Villages home, I don't think you'd get too far, but there are a number of home businesses that no one really takes notice of. Sewing or having an internet-based home business, comes to mind. There are also a fair number of telecommuters here that work from home, although I wouldn't consider it a home business if you're employed by a company.

airstreamingypsy 09-04-2022 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2132570)
Why do we care about a couple of grandparents making YouTube videos at home making a few thousand dollars a year?

It seems minding ones own business doesn't apply.

NoMo50 09-04-2022 08:04 AM

Look out...here come the clipboard ladies!

loweglor 09-04-2022 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by me4vt (Post 2132911)
So a Brothel is out of the question? Just asking for a friend!

There is no honor in war. It just proves that mankind has not reached a level of civility where they can work through their differences so nobody gets killed.

bjansson 09-04-2022 08:44 AM

It Depends
 
If you are running a home office or some other internet based business those can be conducted anywhere. A business where people actually come to your home - that's a whole different enchilada. 🌮💃

Stu from NYC 09-04-2022 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by NoMo50 (Post 2132952)
Look out...here come the clipboard ladies!

uh oh have they run out of landscaping items to report us on?

DAVES 09-04-2022 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2132494)
In our closing documents was a list of rules- one of which was that running a business from your home in TV was not allowed. Since many people are collecting revenue from their YouTube channels dedicated to the subject of life in TV I assume these are businesses. Are there in fact some businesses that are allowed and others that would be shut down? I assume that many Villages operate home based businesses to supplement their income.

First of all the rules are not the same in every village. A home business. Think in terms of intrusion on neighbors. Opening a restaurant, an ice cream parlor would be quickly shut down.
Writing the novel you always want to write, no one would know or care.


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