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coffeebean 12-21-2022 02:43 PM

Front yard light posts
 
Our front yard light post has an outlet in the post which is located about 3 feet off the ground level. Anyone know if our front yard light posts are connected to a GFI outlet? I checked the power to my light post early this morning when it was dark out by tripping both of the GFI outlets in my garage which turned off the power to those circuits. The post light still was lit up which tells me that the post light circuit is not on either one of the GFI outlets in my garage. To my knowledge I do not have any other GFI outlets anywhere in our home that can be tripped and reset.

So.......back to the original question: Are our light posts connected to a GFI outlet?

Thanks.

Ecuadog 12-21-2022 02:57 PM

Mine is connected to a circuit breaker in the panel. I believe it can be replaced by a GFI/GFCI circuit breaker.

MrFlorida 12-21-2022 03:03 PM

My light post is connected to a circuit breaker that controls the garage outlets.

villagetinker 12-21-2022 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2168537)
Our front yard light post has an outlet in the post which is located about 3 feet off the ground level. Anyone know if our front yard light posts are connected to a GFI outlet? I checked the power to my light post early this morning when it was dark out by tripping both of the GFI outlets in my garage which turned off the power to those circuits. The post light still was lit up which tells me that the post light circuit is not on either one of the GFI outlets in my garage. To my knowledge I do not have any other GFI outlets anywhere in our home that can be tripped and reset.

So.......back to the original question: Are our light posts connected to a GFI outlet?

Thanks.

Code requirements would require the post light to be connected to a GFCI breaker or a GFCI receptacle. There may be another GFCI in your garage, we have 4 in ours. It is possible (but unlikely) that the post light is connected to a bathroom GFCI receptacle. You can get an outlet tester that has a push button to test GFCI devices for less than $10. Plug this into the receptacle on the post lamp, cover the electric eye with black tape, and when the post light turns on press the test button. Both the light and the receptacle should turn off. Then your mission (should you decide to accept it) will be to fine the GFCI breaker or receptacle that tripped.

photo1902 12-21-2022 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2168548)
Code requirements would require the post light to be connected to a GFCI breaker or a GFCI receptacle. There may be another GFCI in your garage, we have 4 in ours. It is possible (but unlikely) that the post light is connected to a bathroom GFCI receptacle. You can get an outlet tester that has a push button to test GFCI devices for less than $10. Plug this into the receptacle on the post lamp, cover the electric eye with black tape, and when the post light turns on press the test button. Both the light and the receptacle should turn off. Then your mission (should you decide to accept it) will be to fine the GFCI breaker or receptacle that tripped.

Not the case. Depending on where in The Villages you live, some post lights are not GFCI protected.

This is completely separate from adding a receptacle to the pole.

villagetinker 12-21-2022 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 2168549)
Not the case. Depending on where in The Villages you live, some post lights are not GFCI protected.

This is completely separate from adding a receptacle to the pole.

OK, good point, I was thinking of the newer building codes, but you are correct, if this is an older house, there may not be a GFCI involved. In that case I would immediately replace the outdoor receptacle with a GFCI unit. Thank you for pointing this out.

Wildc4ga 12-21-2022 05:39 PM

Years with no problems
 
If you have an older home and there hasn’t been a problem, don’t make one.

coffeebean 12-21-2022 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2168548)
Code requirements would require the post light to be connected to a GFCI breaker or a GFCI receptacle. There may be another GFCI in your garage, we have 4 in ours. It is possible (but unlikely) that the post light is connected to a bathroom GFCI receptacle. You can get an outlet tester that has a push button to test GFCI devices for less than $10. Plug this into the receptacle on the post lamp, cover the electric eye with black tape, and when the post light turns on press the test button. Both the light and the receptacle should turn off. Then your mission (should you decide to accept it) will be to fine the GFCI breaker or receptacle that tripped.

So........there are actually GFI breakers on the breaker panel in the garage? Not all GFI protected outlets are outlets with a reset button? Interesting.

coffeebean 12-21-2022 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 2168549)
Not the case. Depending on where in The Villages you live, some post lights are not GFCI protected.

This is completely separate from adding a receptacle to the pole.

OP here. I live in Mallory Square. The outlet on the light pole looks like the pole came with the outlet. It does not look like the outlet was added after the pole was installed as it is flush with the pole and does not have a "box" that sticks out.

coffeebean 12-21-2022 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildc4ga (Post 2168599)
If you have an older home and there hasn’t been a problem, don’t make one.

Our home was built in 2007 so I guess that is considered to be an older home.

Gpsma 12-21-2022 08:12 PM

Our front light post has gone out a number of times. Its connected to a GFI that also will blow out all the outlets in the garage and on our lanai.

The idiots that built our house sunk the pole outside and didnt run the wire thru the hole in the pole. They ran it underneath. Over the years, the pole sank, cut the wire, and shorted out the whole GFI curcuit.

Lenhart Electric finally fixed it...dug up around the pole, totally insulated that wire, its been fine since then

One thing I learned...that pole light needs to work. Dont know if its a deed restriction but Lenhardt said they have had customers fined.
Guess im not alone with problems with wiring to that light.
They said, ifwe cant fix it, many people put a solar bulb on the light.

villagetinker 12-21-2022 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2168627)
So........there are actually GFI breakers on the breaker panel in the garage? Not all GFI protected outlets are outlets with a reset button? Interesting.

Our (2013 vintage house) has GFCI breakers, AFCI breakers, and regular breakers, as well as several GFCI receptacles. In any case, and IMHO, all outside receptacles should be protected by GFCI, and this is a very easy fix for a single receptacle.

Decadeofdave 12-21-2022 08:36 PM

After testing before removal and replacement I found it was connected to kitchen circuit (gfi, makes sense) so I re-marked panel breaker after I replaced the post and light myself.

villagetinker 12-21-2022 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Decadeofdave (Post 2168633)
After testing before removal and replacement I found it was connected to kitchen circuit (gfi, makes sense) so I re-marked panel breaker after I replaced the post and light myself.

Thank you for the update.

coffeebean 12-21-2022 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2168632)
Our (2013 vintage house) has GFCI breakers, AFCI breakers, and regular breakers, as well as several GFCI receptacles. In any case, and IMHO, all outside receptacles should be protected by GFCI, and this is a very easy fix for a single receptacle.

I'll take a look at our breaker box in the garage. Will the GFCI breakers be marked vs the regular breakers?

Ecuadog 12-22-2022 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2168640)
I'll take a look at our breaker box in the garage. Will the GFCI breakers be marked vs the regular breakers?

This may help.

gbs317 12-22-2022 05:51 AM

I have a question… My lamppost doesn’t have any outlet on it. Was this standard in some villages and not in others?

La lamy 12-22-2022 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by gbs317 (Post 2168662)
I have a question… My lamppost doesn’t have any outlet on it. Was this standard in some villages and not in others?

I bet it's an age situation. I'm in the historic section and my house doesn't have one.

NoMo50 12-22-2022 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by gbs317 (Post 2168662)
I have a question… My lamppost doesn’t have any outlet on it. Was this standard in some villages and not in others?

At least in our area, south of SR-44, outlets on front yard lamp posts were not installed during new construction. I installed one on mine, and have done numerous others for neighbors. They come in quite handy. While I cannot speak for other areas, our lamp posts down here are wired to their own dedicated circuit in the panel. Nothing but the front yard lamp post on that 15A circuit.

wamley 12-22-2022 06:49 AM

My house was built in 2005 and does not have a GFI circuit attached to the light post. The only other outlet on the circuit is the garage door opener. Best if your concerned is to replace circuit breaker to a GFI breaker, but if you rely on getting into your house only by the garage door opening an activated GFI circuit breaker will lock you out.

Andyb 12-22-2022 07:24 AM

By code the outlet has to be GFI protected, probably a GFI breaker controlling the post.

gbs317 12-22-2022 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by La lamy (Post 2168666)
I bet it's an age situation. I'm in the historic section and my house doesn't have one.

I live south of SR44. Now I’m on a mission to see if I can spot them when golf carting around….lol

gbs317 12-22-2022 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NoMo50 (Post 2168667)
At least in our area, south of SR-44, outlets on front yard lamp posts were not installed during new construction. I installed one on mine, and have done numerous others for neighbors. They come in quite handy. While I cannot speak for other areas, our lamp posts down here are wired to their own dedicated circuit in the panel. Nothing but the front yard lamp post on that 15A circuit.

I didn’t think about installing one myself so I went for the Narnia look and grew a bougainvillea around the lamppost, not one of my better ideas.

Bay Kid 12-22-2022 08:02 AM

My 2004 home the post and flood lights are connected to a inside GFI garage receptacle.

Dotneko 12-22-2022 08:17 AM

We are in St Cats south of 44. House almost 2 years old. There is a separate plug at base of light pole. No power to it though. We will investigate when we have time.

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Originally Posted by NoMo50 (Post 2168667)
At least in our area, south of SR-44, outlets on front yard lamp posts were not installed during new construction. I installed one on mine, and have done numerous others for neighbors. They come in quite handy. While I cannot speak for other areas, our lamp posts down here are wired to their own dedicated circuit in the panel. Nothing but the front yard lamp post on that 15A circuit.


Lisanp@aol.com 12-22-2022 08:35 AM

During my builder walk-through on new construction, I was told that any GFIs were on breakers, not outlet, and get reset at the panel.

villagetinker 12-22-2022 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2168640)
I'll take a look at our breaker box in the garage. Will the GFCI breakers be marked vs the regular breakers?

Yes, and they will have a white or yellow TEST button, same goes for the AFCI breakers. If you test one, you must fully move the breaker handle to the OFF position and then to the ON position to reset, the same as if it tripped for a fault.

Wondering 12-22-2022 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2168537)
Our front yard light post has an outlet in the post which is located about 3 feet off the ground level. Anyone know if our front yard light posts are connected to a GFI outlet? I checked the power to my light post early this morning when it was dark out by tripping both of the GFI outlets in my garage which turned off the power to those circuits. The post light still was lit up which tells me that the post light circuit is not on either one of the GFI outlets in my garage. To my knowledge I do not have any other GFI outlets anywhere in our home that can be tripped and reset.

So.......back to the original question: Are our light posts connected to a GFI outlet?

Thanks.

Check you electric box in the garage. You have to have GFI outlets in your kitchen and bathrooms - it's code.

vinnytalk 12-22-2022 09:19 AM

It seen like you answered it yourself

geobar 12-22-2022 09:39 AM

Call your Builder
or
The Villages Warranty department.

When we lived in the villages (2009-2020) we did not have an outlet, only a photocell to turn the post light off/on.
Think it was on its own circuit.


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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2168537)
Our front yard light post has an outlet in the post which is located about 3 feet off the ground level. Anyone know if our front yard light posts are connected to a GFI outlet? I checked the power to my light post early this morning when it was dark out by tripping both of the GFI outlets in my garage which turned off the power to those circuits. The post light still was lit up which tells me that the post light circuit is not on either one of the GFI outlets in my garage. To my knowledge I do not have any other GFI outlets anywhere in our home that can be tripped and reset.

So.......back to the original question: Are our light posts connected to a GFI outlet?

Thanks.


Bilyclub 12-22-2022 09:59 AM

I noticed Premier Houses South of 466A have the outlet on the lamp post.

MrChipster 12-22-2022 10:23 AM

St Catherine GFI’s
 
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2168627)
So........there are actually GFI breakers on the breaker panel in the garage? Not all GFI protected outlets are outlets with a reset button? Interesting.

My home in Saint Catherine has the following and all located within the main electrical panel.

Both 220 Volt Circuits do not have GFI protection they are for the air conditioning and Furnace.

The tankless water heater which is 120 volt and gas also does not have a GFI.

The irrigation system which is largely low-voltage also does not have a GFI but that is also not accessible to a normal user.

The only other circuit that does not have a GFI is the post light but that light is a dedicated lighting circuit and does not require a GFI because there is no plug in outlet associated with it.

Saint Catherine is a new area less than two years old and subject to current electrical code.

Altavia 12-22-2022 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MrChipster (Post 2168772)
My home in Saint Catherine has the following and all located within the main electrical panel.

Both 220 Volt Circuits do not have GFI protection they are for the air conditioning and Furnace.

The tankless water heater which is 120 volt and gas also does not have a GFI.

The irrigation system which is largely low-voltage also does not have a GFI but that is also not accessible to a normal user.

The only other circuit that does not have a GFI is the post light but that light is a dedicated lighting circuit and does not require a GFI because there is no plug in outlet associated with it.

Saint Catherine is a new area less than two years old and subject to current electrical code.

The (green label) are arc-fault circuit interrupters. GFCIs prevent shocks, and AFCIs prevent fires.

An arc-fault detection device is a circuit breaker that breaks the circuit when it detects the electric arcs that are a signature of loose connections in home wiring.

Loose connections, which can develop over time, can sometimes become hot enough to ignite house fires.

They are required in bedrooms, family rooms, dining rooms, living rooms, sunrooms, kitchens, dens, hallways, laundry rooms, and more.

What is an Arc Fault Circuit Breaker? NEC Requirements Explained

BrianL 12-22-2022 03:20 PM

Gfi
 
Our lamp post is connected to a GFI outlet on the side of the garage.

coffeebean 12-22-2022 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilyclub (Post 2168757)
I noticed Premier Houses South of 466A have the outlet on the lamp post.

My home is not a premier home and I'm north of 466A and I have an outlet on the lamp post which was part of the lamp post when it was installed.

coffeebean 12-22-2022 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ecuadog (Post 2168649)
This may help.

Thanks for the photos of the different breakers. I checked our breaker box and we do have two breakers with a "test button". Those breakers are for circuits to the master bedroom and the front guest bedroom. Why they need to be on a GFCI circuit is beyoned me though.

Tonight, after dark and the post lights are on, I will be checking to see if the lamp post is connected to one of those circuits on the breaker box.

Thanks to all who have participated in this thread. I really appreciate the replies.

coffeebean 12-22-2022 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wamley (Post 2168676)
My house was built in 2005 and does not have a GFI circuit attached to the light post. The only other outlet on the circuit is the garage door opener. Best if your concerned is to replace circuit breaker to a GFI breaker, but if you rely on getting into your house only by the garage door opening an activated GFI circuit breaker will lock you out.

I just looked again at our breaker box. It looks as though our post is on the same circuit as the garage door opener and the front door chime and it is not a GFCI circuit breaker. I will check this out tonight when it is dark to make sure the lamp post is on this breaker.

coffeebean 12-22-2022 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 2168688)
By code the outlet has to be GFI protected, probably a GFI breaker controlling the post.

Was this code back in 2007? We are the second owners of this home and there was no problem passing inspection.

coffeebean 12-22-2022 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Wondering (Post 2168737)
Check you electric box in the garage. You have to have GFI outlets in your kitchen and bathrooms - it's code.

I did check. I have GFCI outlets in my kitchen and both bathrooms. Any outlet that is near water in the house if protected with the CFCI outlets.

Ecuadog 12-22-2022 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2168870)
... I will check this out tonight when it is dark to make sure the lamp post is on this breaker.

You don't have to wait until it's dark. Put a piece of dark tape over the sensor's lens on the post. After a minute or so of blocking the sunlight, the sensor will turn on the light.


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