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bwasman 01-11-2023 03:57 PM

Insurance change unaccepted by The Villages Health.
 
The Teachers Retirement System in Illinois has replaced United Health Care Medicare Advantage PPO with a new policy contracted with Aetna Medicare Advantage PPO. Use of the new policy has been denied by The Villages Health System and anyone using it has to find new Dr.'s outside The Villages system resulting in delayed care and far out appointments. No reason is given by The Villages System other than a flat No to Aetna personell.

Babubhat 01-11-2023 04:17 PM

Bad luck. A victim of Teachers cost cutting likely.

Davonu 01-11-2023 04:18 PM

Amazing. My employer did the same…with Aetna also. After one year, we went back to UHC on our own and are very happy. We even save money on premiums every month with very small increases in deductibles. :)

Altavia 01-11-2023 04:21 PM

And that's why you want to stay with standard Medicare if you can afford it...

JoMar 01-11-2023 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bwasman (Post 2175000)
The Teachers Retirement System in Illinois has replaced United Health Care Medicare Advantage PPO with a new policy contracted with Aetna Medicare Advantage PPO. Use of the new policy has been denied by The Villages Health System and anyone using it has to find new Dr.'s outside The Villages system resulting in delayed care and far out appointments. No reason is given by The Villages System other than a flat No to Aetna personell.

The Villages Health dropped Aetna plans years ago.....we were one of those that was dropped. Reasons speculated on by residents is that Aetna's payments were slow and always contested, the profit margin was adversely impacted by Aetna and procedures were routinely questioned. Don't know if true or not but The Villages Health is a business so they make their decisions based on business models. We stayed in the system and haven't regretted it.

Carla B 01-11-2023 04:55 PM

My daughter spent five years in her job battling against Aetna and their refusual to pay claims submitted by her employer, a hospital system. She said they have doctors and lawyers lined up to pick apart contracts and find reasons not to pay claims. And now, the irony is that this year her same employer has contracted to buy health insurance from Aetna.

BrianL99 01-11-2023 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bwasman (Post 2175000)
The Teachers Retirement System in Illinois has replaced United Health Care Medicare Advantage PPO with a new policy contracted with Aetna Medicare Advantage PPO. Use of the new policy has been denied by The Villages Health System and anyone using it has to find new Dr.'s outside The Villages system resulting in delayed care and far out appointments. No reason is given by The Villages System other than a flat No to Aetna personell.

This what they accept and they've always been clear & upfront about it.

https://thevillageshealth.com/wp-con...-Update-v4.pdf

GaryKoca 01-12-2023 07:09 AM

Even with standard Medicare, you probably still need some type of supplemental insurance. We have basic Federal Employees Health Benefits, with pretty much covers everything Medicare does not. But you have to be a retired Federal employee to get that insurance.

Ritagoyer 01-12-2023 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2175005)
And that's why you want to stay with standard Medicare if you can afford it...

But they will run into the same problem they do not except Medicare

nob77@comcast.net 01-12-2023 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bwasman (Post 2175000)
The Teachers Retirement System in Illinois has replaced United Health Care Medicare Advantage PPO with a new policy contracted with Aetna Medicare Advantage PPO. Use of the new policy has been denied by The Villages Health System and anyone using it has to find new Dr.'s outside The Villages system resulting in delayed care and far out appointments. No reason is given by The Villages System other than a flat No to Aetna personell.

Simple. Aetna doesn’t pay(enough)

BrianL99 01-12-2023 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ritagoyer (Post 2175085)
But they will run into the same problem they do not except Medicare


Yes they do.

jarodrig 01-12-2023 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2175094)
Yes they do.

The discussion is about PRIMARY CARE doctors.

Specialty Care doctors are not primary care doctors.

Once again , The Villages Health DOES NOT accept standard Medicare ……

My wife and I were kicked out upon reaching 65 and going on Medicare…..

retiredguy123 01-12-2023 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by GaryKoca (Post 2175078)
Even with standard Medicare, you probably still need some type of supplemental insurance. We have basic Federal Employees Health Benefits, with pretty much covers everything Medicare does not. But you have to be a retired Federal employee to get that insurance.

I am a retired Federal employee and I save thousands of dollars by having the standard Blue Cross plan, but do not have Medicare Part B. The Blue Cross plan covers almost everything I need, and it has a low catastrophic limit of $6,000 per year. The Medicare premiums are too high, especially if you are subject to IRMAA.

Babubhat 01-12-2023 08:17 AM

Bottom line is employers get an incentive from the new insurance provider. When the contract is up they bid out the business to get another incentive. They have no interest in whether you like it or not.

asiebel 01-12-2023 08:20 AM

We have had to change not only primary care but eye Dr, pain management, and where we purchase medications. Hope it is a good company!

bwasman 01-12-2023 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 2175007)
The Villages Health dropped Aetna plans years ago.....we were one of those that was dropped. Reasons speculated on by residents is that Aetna's payments were slow and always contested, the profit margin was adversely impacted by Aetna and procedures were routinely questioned. Don't know if true or not but The Villages Health is a business so they make their decisions based on business models. We stayed in the system and haven't regretted it.

I'm not certain which system you "stayed" in. The Villages Health or Aetna. Thank you for your input...it was very helpful!

YeOldeCurmudgeon 01-12-2023 08:50 AM

I had problems with Aetna over a grievance. The customer service in the Philippines did their job but the executive office did not. In fact, I believe there is corruption in the ERT (Executive Response Team) based on my experience. I switched to UHC because of that.

Jacob85 01-12-2023 08:53 AM

That happened to us a few years ago. I had to find another doctor. I think it may be because of their billing and it’s so frustrating because we liked our doctors

loweglor 01-12-2023 09:05 AM

Same thing happened to me over a year ago. I liked my PCP at Villages Health but had to change. Not too happy with new PCP but will survive. Aetna has proven to be a little more complicated than UHC to work with. They don't require a PCP and the ones they do have in-network are few and far between. Also, they require prior authorization on many procedures that UHC did not. I have no choice because my husband worked at Pinellas County Government and they made the decision to change whether we liked it or not, no alternative. I would go back to UHC in a minute if they had an affordable plan.

kendi 01-12-2023 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2175005)
And that's why you want to stay with standard Medicare if you can afford it...

Last time I checked TV health only takes certain advantage plans and private insurance. So standard Medicare wouldn’t help in this case.

ron32162 01-12-2023 09:22 AM

Sounds like your saying its The Village Health Systems fault. Complain to your Teachers retirement system Maybe they are trying to save money on Health policies, everything is sky high. Welcome to reality its now affecting you.

Singerlady 01-12-2023 09:28 AM

I am also an Illinois retired teacher. Will they not accept you to use them as an out of network doctor? They can refuse to bill the insurance, but you can pay and submit.

Singerlady 01-12-2023 09:30 AM

Maybe, but the State is required to put our insurance out for bid every 3 years.

BrianL99 01-12-2023 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jarodrig (Post 2175099)
The discussion is about PRIMARY CARE doctors.

Specialty Care doctors are not primary care doctors.

Once again , The Villages Health DOES NOT accept standard Medicare ……

My wife and I were kicked out upon reaching 65 and going on Medicare…..

That's not what the original poster asked. For you, it's perhaps about PRIMARY CARE doctors for you, but the OP made a blanket statement that said the Villages Healthcare system doesn't take Medicare. That is untrue.

chrissy2231 01-12-2023 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ritagoyer (Post 2175085)
But they will run into the same problem they do not except Medicare

I've had Med Advantage for 11 years & LUV it.

chrissy2231 01-12-2023 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2175094)
Yes they do.

for specialist, not primary

rustyp 01-12-2023 10:03 AM

From The Villages Health website:

"If you are Medicare Eligible, you have an important choice to make about Medicare and the primary care services you receive in this community. The Villages Health is a health care system specifically designed for your lifestyle, but when it comes to Medicare we only partner with a few Medicare Advantage plans."

1. The Villages Health is only one option in TV. Many conventional services that most of you are familiar with "back home" exist here.
2. If you are being provided health insurance through your former employer where you must take the plan your employer provides The Villages Health will not be a very good fit for you.
3. If you are not a fan of advantage plans TV Health is not for you.

Rodneysblue 01-12-2023 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bwasman (Post 2175000)
The Teachers Retirement System in Illinois has replaced United Health Care Medicare Advantage PPO with a new policy contracted with Aetna Medicare Advantage PPO. Use of the new policy has been denied by The Villages Health System and anyone using it has to find new Dr.'s outside The Villages system resulting in delayed care and far out appointments. No reason is given by The Villages System other than a flat No to Aetna personell.

The problem is not with The Villages, it’s with TRSIL. They’re the ones who changed. TVH switched years ago, not just recently.

Burgy 01-12-2023 10:59 AM

"A frequent problem"
 
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Originally Posted by bwasman (Post 2175116)
I'm not certain which system you "stayed" in. The Villages Health or Aetna. Thank you for your input...it was very helpful!

It seems many people who move to TV bring the retirement "perk" of health insurance which doesn't work well here. If you aren't on Medicare you have to shop around for who and where accepts your plan and many are disappointed with their options. The UHC advantage Medicare plan has seemed to me to be a "perk" for many with The Villages Health primary care offices and a pretty good specialty and hospital network. I doubt many people are better off hanging on to their old employer plan either care or cost wise.

bwasman 01-12-2023 11:14 AM

Agreed. It's always about money.

bwasman 01-12-2023 11:20 AM

Not saying the Villages are at fault...I am stuck with Aetna and know the retirement system I come from negotiated the new contract. They did say we have identical coverage but did not say Aetna was available at the same places. Thanks for your response.

villagetinker 01-12-2023 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2175094)
Yes they do.

The highlighted section is correct, AT THEIR SPECIALITY CENTERS, the villages health system DOES NOT accept medicare. I use 2 or 3 village specialists with medicare, I cannot use the villages health for a PCP.

Keninches 01-12-2023 11:50 AM

So true. The regular internists are not the same as specialists. At The Villages Health.

Karmanng 01-12-2023 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bwasman (Post 2175000)
The Teachers Retirement System in Illinois has replaced United Health Care Medicare Advantage PPO with a new policy contracted with Aetna Medicare Advantage PPO. Use of the new policy has been denied by The Villages Health System and anyone using it has to find new Dr.'s outside The Villages system resulting in delayed care and far out appointments. No reason is given by The Villages System other than a flat No to Aetna personell.

INSURANCES can change at any time from year to year ESPCIALLY if they are advantage plans.........FYI

lulliedoll 01-12-2023 12:28 PM

I have Michigan Blue which is identical to Florida Blue. All my bills are run through Florida Blue however The Villages Healthcare will not accept Michigan Blue although they do now accept Florida Blue. It makes no sense.

Rainger99 01-12-2023 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2175202)
The highlighted section is correct, AT THEIR SPECIALITY CENTERS, the villages health system DOES NOT accept medicare. I use 2 or 3 village specialists with medicare, I cannot use the villages health for a PCP.


Now I am confused. This is from their website.

At our Specialty Care Division, we accept most major medical insurance, including Medicare and Medicare Supplement plans.

Medical Specialty Specialist & Services | The Villages Health Florida

rustyp 01-12-2023 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2175239)
Now I am confused. This is from their website.

At our Specialty Care Division, we accept most major medical insurance, including Medicare and Medicare Supplement plans.

Medical Specialty Specialist & Services | The Villages Health Florida

The primary care side of the villages health has the advantage plan only rule while the specialty care has a different set of rules as you outlined.

From The Villages Health website:

"If you are Medicare Eligible, you have an important choice to make about Medicare and the primary care services you receive in this community. The Villages Health is a health care system specifically designed for your lifestyle, but when it comes to Medicare we only partner with a few Medicare Advantage plans."

Buckeyephan 01-12-2023 03:14 PM

I have had an Aetna Medicare advantage plan through Ohio teachers’ retirement for 12 years and am very pleased. When we moved here 9 years ago, I joined the Villages system. About 15 months later, I was kicked out. Technically, my plan is considered a PPO but because it is from Ohio, there aren’t any in network doctors. That is why mine has an extended service area. That means every doctor and hospital is in network for me. Perhaps the Illinois coverage will be broad like mine is. I hope so.

JoMar 01-12-2023 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bwasman (Post 2175116)
I'm not certain which system you "stayed" in. The Villages Health or Aetna. Thank you for your input...it was very helpful!

We wanted to stay with The Villages Health so we switched to United Health. Also, they came out with a new Focus plan this year, we switched to that...co-pays came down and coverages went up.

JoMar 01-12-2023 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by loweglor (Post 2175144)
Same thing happened to me over a year ago. I liked my PCP at Villages Health but had to change. Not too happy with new PCP but will survive. Aetna has proven to be a little more complicated than UHC to work with. They don't require a PCP and the ones they do have in-network are few and far between. Also, they require prior authorization on many procedures that UHC did not. I have no choice because my husband worked at Pinellas County Government and they made the decision to change whether we liked it or not, no alternative. I would go back to UHC in a minute if they had an affordable plan.

Not sure what you mean by affordable?


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