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Keefelane66 02-15-2023 04:00 PM

Palestine Oh and Wildwoodood train tracks
 
Any concern on possible train derailments close to The Villages? Not that I except it should happen concerned. No one expects it to happen in their backyard.

JSR22 02-15-2023 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2187894)
Any concern on possible train derailments close to The Villages? Not that I except it should happen concerned. No one expects it to happen in their backyard.

I do not worry about things that I have no control.

Bill14564 02-15-2023 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2187894)
Any concern on possible train derailments close to The Villages? Not that I except it should happen concerned. No one expects it to happen in their backyard.

Not worried about it at all. Can't think of any wreck worse than the recent one in Ohio which led to an evacuation of those within one mile - I live over three miles away.

vintageogauge 02-15-2023 04:35 PM

I would be more concerned about truck accidents on the Turnpike and I-75 that seems to be where all the action is around here.

manaboutown 02-15-2023 05:00 PM

Sinkholes, hurricanes, tornados, lightning strikes, crazy drivers, dog poop and meth heads concern me more.

Tvflguy 02-15-2023 05:51 PM

Large rail yard in Wildwood off 301 near 44. Just yesterday I got caught by a train. No exaggeration, it must have had 125+ cars. Many of them were tankers. This train was so long it had another running locomotive in the middle of the thing.

I was very close to the train as it was passing, and Ohio incident was constantly on my mind.

Those poor folks in that town. No doubt the State and Feds would be handling this matter differently if it happened in an affluent area.

Pairadocs 02-15-2023 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2187894)
Any concern on possible train derailments close to The Villages? Not that I except it should happen concerned. No one expects it to happen in their backyard.

Usually not one to worry about things that "probably" won't happen, but, the Ohio tragedy, made worse by the decisions of the "leaders" to turn the chemicals into deadly gases, etc. DID get me thinking how close we are to the major line in close proximity to Oxford, Churchill golf course, Wildwood, etc. Not at all confident that the "villages", or the local politicians, have any kind of contingency plan. Our plan might be to always keep our auto gas tank topped off, and a bit of cash on hand ?

Pairadocs 02-15-2023 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2187900)
Not worried about it at all. Can't think of any wreck worse than the recent one in Ohio which led to an evacuation of those within one mile - I live over three miles away.

Concerning the latter part of your post. YES, people (and POLITICIANS, OFFICIALS) definitely DO think no one is capable, or interested enough, to look things up ! Just as ONE small example, look at the number of judges who make horrendous decisions (regardless of what party to belong to, you HAVE to care at least about judges) and yet, year, after year, after YEAR the sheeple go to the poles and do the easiest thing... put an "X" in that box that says "retain" ! On the chemical tragedy, good you live 3 miles away from any tracks, but not sure that gives any of us a guarantee of ground water contamination, etc.

Number 10 GI 02-15-2023 06:30 PM

Hopefully we will be told what caused the derailment. Mechanical failure of one of the train cars or something wrong with the tracks. My money is on poorly maintained rail tracks. A prudent person would have an inspection done of the rail line before a train carrying dangerous chemicals was allowed to move. Unfortunately, does a prudent person exist?

Bill14564 02-15-2023 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 2187936)
Concerning the latter part of your post. YES, people (and POLITICIANS, OFFICIALS) definitely DO think no one is capable, or interested enough, to look things up ! Just as ONE small example, look at the number of judges who make horrendous decisions (regardless of what party to belong to, you HAVE to care at least about judges) and yet, year, after year, after YEAR the sheeple go to the poles and do the easiest thing... put an "X" in that box that says "retain" ! On the chemical tragedy, good you live 3 miles away from any tracks, but not sure that gives any of us a guarantee of ground water contamination, etc.

But what if a satellite loses orbit and a large chunk falls on your garage and ignites your topped-off fuel tank? You will never be safe against the threat of a "what if."

Hardlyworking 02-15-2023 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2187939)
Hopefully we will be told what caused the derailment. Mechanical failure of one of the train cars or something wrong with the tracks. My money is on poorly maintained rail tracks. A prudent person would have an inspection done of the rail line before a train carrying dangerous chemicals was allowed to move. Unfortunately, does a prudent person exist?

It was a bad axle. They have video of it sparking before the crash.

JMintzer 02-15-2023 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardlyworking (Post 2187955)
It was a bad axle. They have video of it sparking before the crash.

Yup. A bad bearing that caught fire...

Worldseries27 02-16-2023 05:55 AM

Last train to clarksville
 
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Originally Posted by keefelane66 (Post 2187894)
any concern on possible train derailments close to the villages? Not that i except it should happen concerned. No one expects it to happen in their backyard.

gators, sinkholes, trains were here first and yet we came. The die was cast by us

me4vt 02-16-2023 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2187894)
Any concern on possible train derailments close to The Villages? Not that I except it should happen concerned. No one expects it to happen in their backyard.

Yes, about as concerned as I am of being hit by space debris!

Worldseries27 02-16-2023 06:33 AM

The truth is out there
 
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yes, about as concerned as i am of being hit by space debris!

still waiting for explanations or lies

midiwiz 02-16-2023 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2187894)
Any concern on possible train derailments close to The Villages? Not that I except it should happen concerned. No one expects it to happen in their backyard.

you're better off asking that about the turnpike. it has a history of that.

RICH1 02-16-2023 06:43 AM

another worry to keep me up at night ,Turnpike tanker trucks along with chemical carrying railroad tankers bursting into flames with a south wind blowing… possibly at the same time..

Sabella 02-16-2023 07:08 AM

How our wonderful government takes care of its citizens
 
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Originally Posted by RICH1 (Post 2188032)
another worry to keep me up at night ,Turnpike tanker trucks along with chemical carrying railroad tankers bursting into flames with a south wind blowing… possibly at the same time..

I would worry more about the government lying about the danger to the residents and Declaring there is no danger WHEN there is. The EPA declared the air safe after 9-11 - I lost count how many people died from cancer and serious respiratory issues and how many are still alive today and ill.

MandoMan 02-16-2023 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 2187932)
Usually not one to worry about things that "probably" won't happen, but, the Ohio tragedy, made worse by the decisions of the "leaders" to turn the chemicals into deadly gases, etc. DID get me thinking how close we are to the major line in close proximity to Oxford, Churchill golf course, Wildwood, etc. Not at all confident that the "villages", or the local politicians, have any kind of contingency plan. Our plan might be to always keep our auto gas tank topped off, and a bit of cash on hand ?

Plenty of gas and cash are great ideas. You might also keep a case of bottled water in your car. You could also keep a “go bag” ready. If there were an immediate evacuation notice, if you can be on the road in five minutes instead of an hour, you may be ahead of the worst traffic. You might even purchase a good detailed road atlas of Northern Florida and plot and mark escape routes going various directions. There are back roads where you can travel fast when the Interstate is blocked, but you need to know them in advance. You could scout them as nice day drives.

What should be in your “go bag”? Here’s a useful idea list published for people worried about forest fires in California a couple years ago.
Build a Personal Go Bag - Sonoma County Emergency and Preparedness Information

wawriwwawriw 02-16-2023 07:21 AM

Is not the Villages responsabilizó, it is the County, State and Feds. For years, I was a member of CERT that stand for Community Emergency Response Team, which a number of counties and cities around the Nation do have this program. when I move to TV I noticed that there is no such a thing. In the event of a derailment or truck accident the authorities are responsible for immediately notifying residents to Bunker in-place until a decision is made whether or not you need to evacuate the area. It is all dependent on weather conditions particularly the wind direction and the chemicals involved in the incident.

Hardlyworking 02-16-2023 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 2188029)
you're better off asking that about the turnpike. it has a history of that.

There are no train tracks on the turnpike and a single tanker truck won’t cause the same level of harm as a 3 mile long train.

daca55 02-16-2023 07:25 AM

Don’t you think that Mayer Pete the secretary of transportation will be all over the issues associated with this train wreck so we can feel safe?

Hardlyworking 02-16-2023 07:26 AM

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Don’t you think that Mayer Pete the secretary of transportation will be all over the issues associated with this train wreck so we can feel safe?

Yep, soon. Or maybe never. He is too busy blaming others right now.

Rodneysblue 02-16-2023 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2187894)
Any concern on possible train derailments close to The Villages? Not that I except it should happen concerned. No one expects it to happen in their backyard.

About as concerned as I am about aircraft falling out of the sky over Lady Lake. Not. The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

Get real 02-16-2023 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabella (Post 2188038)
I would worry more about the government lying about the danger to the residents and Declaring there is no danger WHEN there is. The EPA declared the air safe after 9-11 - I lost count how many people died from cancer and serious respiratory issues and how many are still alive today and ill.

Thank you.

Bill14564 02-16-2023 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabella (Post 2188038)
I would worry more about the government lying about the danger to the residents and Declaring there is no danger WHEN there is. The EPA declared the air safe after 9-11 - I lost count how many people died from cancer and serious respiratory issues and how many are still alive today and ill.

Has it been determined exactly what was in the air after 9-11 that caused those cancers? What did the EPA measure as dangerous but then lie about when they declared the air safe?

Bill14564 02-16-2023 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hardlyworking (Post 2188047)
There are no train tracks on the turnpike and a single tanker truck won’t cause the same level of harm as a 3 mile long train.

Of course, not all three-miles of train derailed or burned. It seems like five of the derailed cars carried the toxic material that was intentionally burned. No, it is not likely that there would be a crash on the turnpike involving five trucks carrying this particular toxic material. On the other hand, the frequency of accidents on the turnpike involving trucks is much higher than the frequency of train derailments and there is always the possibility that one of those trucks could be carrying something toxic.

tvbound 02-16-2023 09:16 AM

Taking emotion and fear-mongering out of the equation, the simple fact is that freight train operations are safer than ever.

Freight Rail Facts & Figures - Association of American Railroads


"Between 2000 and 2021, the train accident was down 33%. The rail employee injury rate in 2020 was an all-time low."

More than 99.9% of all hazmat moved by rail reaches its destination without a release caused by a train accident. Between 2012 and 2021, the hazmat accident rate was down 55%.

BostonRich 02-16-2023 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2187939)
Hopefully we will be told what caused the derailment. Mechanical failure of one of the train cars or something wrong with the tracks. My money is on poorly maintained rail tracks. A prudent person would have an inspection done of the rail line before a train carrying dangerous chemicals was allowed to move. Unfortunately, does a prudent person exist?

Yes, as mentioned it was an overheated bearing on one car. CSX has upgraded the tracks here at least twice since we moved here 5 years ago. In fact they just did a major tie upgrade and you can see the old ties along the tracks driving on 301. They rebuilt the grade crossings and also closed the crossing at 105 which was a high hump that often causes trucks to get hung up and can lead to a collision and derailment. The tracks near the Villages are very well maintained.

MrFlorida 02-16-2023 09:58 AM

I'm more worried about my golf game.

PugMom 02-16-2023 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MrFlorida (Post 2188122)
I'm more worried about my golf game.

😜👍 love it!

Villagesgal 02-16-2023 10:21 AM

The train tracks have been there for over 100 years. No problems. If it keeps you awake at night you should have thought of that prior to moving to the Villages.

Geodyssey 02-16-2023 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hardlyworking (Post 2188047)
There are no train tracks on the turnpike and a single tanker truck won’t cause the same level of harm as a 3 mile long train.

Three-mile long train? lol, no.

That's Drudge Report material.

Veiragirl 02-16-2023 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2187894)
Any concern on possible train derailments close to The Villages? Not that I except it should happen concerned. No one expects it to happen in their backyard.

You have WAY too much time on your hands to worry about things that probably wont happen.

Hardlyworking 02-16-2023 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Geodyssey (Post 2188176)
Three-mile long train? lol, no.

That's Drudge Report material.

Nope. GAO.

Rail Safety: Freight Trains Are Getting Longer, and Additional Information Is Needed to Assess Their Impact | U.S. GAO

“Thirty-eight cars in the 141-car train, stretching two miles long and operated by Norfolk Southern, were carrying a variety of chemicals including vinyl chloride.”

And just for the record, I do not read The Drudge Report.

Timeweaver1 02-16-2023 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 2188106)
Taking emotion and fear-mongering out of the equation, the simple fact is that freight train operations are safer than ever.

Freight Rail Facts & Figures - Association of American Railroads


"Between 2000 and 2021, the train accident was down 33%. The rail employee injury rate in 2020 was an all-time low."

More than 99.9% of all hazmat moved by rail reaches its destination without a release caused by a train accident. Between 2012 and 2021, the hazmat accident rate was down 55%.

Wait--we are comparing numbers to 2020-2021 during covid when the economy slowed down. Thank God the rate was down then -- nothing was moving.

Keefelane66 02-16-2023 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Veiragirl (Post 2188177)
You have WAY too much time on your hands to worry about things that probably wont happen.

Say the same to the East Palestine residents I'm sure they didn't expect it to happen either. Let’s worry about dog poop.

Pairadocs 02-16-2023 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2187918)
Large rail yard in Wildwood off 301 near 44. Just yesterday I got caught by a train. No exaggeration, it must have had 125+ cars. Many of them were tankers. This train was so long it had another running locomotive in the middle of the thing.

I was very close to the train as it was passing, and Ohio incident was constantly on my mind.

Those poor folks in that town. No doubt the State and Feds would be handling this matter differently if it happened in an affluent area.

The truth is probably "yes", depending also on the predominate political philosophy of the area also. I've posted I don't live my life thinking what "might" happen, but you are correct, how can one be the first car stopped down by the Oxford crossing where so many LONG, LONG, trains go through at least once, usually more, each day... a MAJOR route. The sad "drip, drip, drip" has started; seems the railroad employees have been alarmed for some time at the length railroads are going to to save money, lengthening trains to dangerous levels, putting off track repairs as often as possible, and NO contingency planning (even it it never happens) on the part of railroad officials, officials of the communities close to such major tracks (The Villages, Oxford, Wildwood, etc. etc), and the Federal and state governments. Do you think the leaders of these communities (Villages does not even HAVE a mayor or city council so would be dependent on each of the counties to KNOW what do) would be at the top of their game and have FACTUAL information on what to do ? The whole situation in Ohio and Pennsylvania just highlights how expendable human life is to the political class regardless of philosophical direction. Hopefully, as usual, religious organizations, volunteer organizations, etc. will step in and give some REAL help in this disaster.

Stu from NYC 02-16-2023 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2187939)
Hopefully we will be told what caused the derailment. Mechanical failure of one of the train cars or something wrong with the tracks. My money is on poorly maintained rail tracks. A prudent person would have an inspection done of the rail line before a train carrying dangerous chemicals was allowed to move. Unfortunately, does a prudent person exist?

Yes but obviously does not work for the govt

retiredguy123 02-16-2023 03:03 PM

Why do my Federal tax dollars need to pay for everything?


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