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Deplorable conditions at Havana
The developer should be embarrassed to charge $67 plus tax to play on some of the courses in The Villages. My group of 19 played Havana today and every player complained about the poor shape of the greens and the tight lies in the fairway. I think that the prices should fluctuate based on the conditions for that day. Glenview and Lopez always seem to be in great shape while other course vary from week to week. Today, Havana was not worth what we paid for it and our 2 guests had to pay over $80 to play.
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Havana. 352-750-8085, ask for the pro.
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Not sure what it is about Havana, in general no complaints about championship conditions, but that course is always the exception. Even Orange Blossom has far superior conditions, especially the greens. It’s a shame, Hemingway to Kilimanjaro is one of the better 18 holes in the Championship rotation assuming the conditions are decent, which they almost never are. Whoever is accountable for the conditions of that particular course needs to be replaced with someone who can perform up to the task.
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Then let's fire and hire staff based on conditions/revenues. Then, Then we perform maintenance conditions/revenues. |
We avoid playing Havana, just terrible shape.
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I’m curious, how many carts in your group of nineteen. How many of those golfers drive ALL OVER THE FAIRWAYS rather than staying on the cart path or in the rough until you get to a point where you CROSS the fairway to your ball. Also how many of your group totally disregard the exit markers and drive all the way up to the green???. My point is, you can’t abuse the golf course and expect it to remain in pristine condition. And then there’s the people who seem to refuse to repair ball marks, rake bunkers, and attempt to retrieve their ball from the cup with the handle. Oh yes let’s not forget dragging your feet all over the green.
My point is, it’s not the growing season AND we must do all we can to give the courses time to breathe. |
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Si Woo Kim and John Catlin to name a couple. |
The corporate greed machine has no limits and no conscience.
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Cane garden course
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I agree with conditions at Havana,terrible. We played Cane Garden yesterday ,it was worse than Havana. Weeds all over fairways , bare tee boxes , greens were a disaster. Hacienda has been in terrible condition, Bonifay and Belle Glade not much better. I heard the villages cut back on the money they pay the outside firm to maintain the courses. We need to make our voices heard. |
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Didn’t the championship courses lose revenue this year when the trail fee that was part of the enhancement membership was transferred to the development districts?
Are the executive courses better this year vs last since they have that revenue? |
Course conditions
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Players not looking for pristine conditions, just decent playing conditions. Our group played Cane and Havana this week. Terrible conditions, weeds all over fairways , bare,dirt tee boxes, greens a total disaster. Haciena no better ,same as Bonifay and Belle Glade. Other area courses priced the same ,much better. They keep cutting maintenance budgets ( no more overseeing),you see the results. |
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I haven't played Cane Gardens in a couple of weeks and its condition is abysmal. What I don't think many players realize (I ran a large facility that's had a LIV Tour event), lack of maintenance is cumulative. It's compounded every year that poor maintenance continues. You can't just turn around bad conditions in a couple of months. Bandaids only last so long. I think they could throw $1,000,000 each, at Palmer, Mallory, Cane Garden & Mallory and still not have what most would consider "acceptable conditions". Tomorrow I start my search for a new retirement home, someplace that takes pride in their golf courses. |
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Played Kenya and Kilimanjaro Friday and Saturday and the Greens are coming back. Really enjoy all three courses.
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You mention ,in general no complaints on championship courses. I played Cane Garden last week, hard to believe ,conditions worse than Havana. Belle Glade, Bonifay has sparse grass on the greens, high weeds on fringes , Hacienda Hills is terrible condition , Mallory greens a mess. Did you not play them ? |
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We are coming "out of winter". EVERY year, the condition whining posts start in February. EVERY year, the Spring months bring better golfing conditions. :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn: |
Played there 2/22/23 and it is still terrible í ½í¸ž
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Played Glenview yesterday & today.
I felt like I was in the Twilight Zone and had been transported off campus. Greens on Stirrup Cup had been Top Dressed. Fertilizer on the Greens at Fox Run & Tally Ho. Far and away, the best conditions in the bubble. On a Scale of 1- 10 (Augusta National is a (10), Havana is a 3.0), I'd give Glenview a 6.5. |
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Having said that - the fact that one course is far worse than others tells me that there are other factors in play here. If it were just the folks driving on the fairways, all the courses would be horrible... and this does not account for the conditions of the greens themselves. These issues can be laid directly at the feet of those that care (read "they do NOT take care") for the course. |
Close Hemingway
Our group played Hemingway to Killamajaro yesterday. Hemingway is in horrendous condition and should be closed until serious issues are corrected. The Villages should be embarrassed to allow play. Describing the greens as "terrible" would be an understatement. For instance, the 8th green looks like a quilt with numerous patches 4' X 4' in size.
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[QUOTE=dewilson58;2189622]Tis the Season.
We are coming "out of winter". EVERY year, the condition whining posts start in February. EVERY year, the Spring months bring better golfing conditions. Area courses much better , same weather. Priced about the same. Can’t blame weather for weeds all over ,including greens, fringes. Very poor maintenance ,it’s. Been a deterioration each year for the last five years. |
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Area courses much better , same weather. Priced about the same. Can’t blame weather for weeds all over ,including greens, fringes. Very poor maintenance ,it’s. Been a deterioration each year for the last five years.[/QUOTE]
What looks like weeds is actually poa annua grass, that sprouts in clumps and grows quickly at this time of year. Any course that has it has a problem, since you can't selectively get rid of it and it spreads easily. Suppressants, and cutting the greens every day would make it playable, but don't expect it to be done here. Killing the grass and replanting is the other answer. Don't expect that to happen either. Mowers can carry it from green to green, and I've seen areas what we cut out and replanted with sod in an effort to stop it from moving across the green. It will turn yellow and die soon, but not before distributing countless seeds that will once again sprout in the Fall and next Spring. A greenskeeper's nightmare. The Villages have let this problem get out of hand. Plenty of area courses don't have this going on. |
We played Hemingway -Kilimanjaro yesterday and it was greatly improved from 3 weeks ago. It was obvious that someone has taken notice. I was expecting awful conditions and I was wrong. I would go back.
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Jus played Havana today.
They are doing a lot of repairs to the greens. Coming out of winter....................it's that time. Re-seeding and sod in some places. Quit the whining....................they are making improvements, investing money. ((whine if they don't)) Tee boxes are good. Fairways have grass..............which is pretty good for 1st of March. :pepper2: |
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But unfortunately, they stay on ToTV. :beer3: |
It is mind boggling the conditions of our Championship Courses here in The Villages. Considering the following that approximately at $50 a round equates to $200 per foursome for each tee time. With 10 Championship Courses having 27 holes, that comes out to approximately $600 per course for every tee time. With about 16 tee times per wave, that is approximately $9,600 for the morning wave, then the same amount again for the afternoon wave. That's $19,200 coming into their kitty every day. Now add in the 3 courses that only have 18 holes which equates to approx. $6,400 per wave or $12,800 a day. That's approx. $32,000 a day coming into their pockets. With that amount you would think they should be able to provide the necessary fertilizer, labor, equipment, etc., needed to give us decent conditions to play on and be proud of to bring guests into play.
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